Linux-Advocacy Digest #925, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 03:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) (J Sloan)
Re: KDE Hell (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested (Charlie Ebert)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: How long does your box run for? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Charlie Ebert)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Craig Kelley)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Charlie Ebert)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Charlie Ebert)
Re: KDE Hell (John Travis)
Re: Linux is a fad? (Charlie Ebert)
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:12:26 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can you translate "DAC" from microsoft speak into english
> > > > > for those of us who don't know microsoft speak?
> > > >
> > > > Ah, so you expose your ignorance.
> >
> > Yes, thank you for the gracious response -
> > It figures that a dolt like you would jump at the
> > opportunity for a cheap shot.
>
> You attack and argue and attack and argue, but when it really comes down to
> it, you don't know what you're talking about.
It was made clear that you were merely using "code words"
for what most people call "acls".
> It's very frustrating for
> me to have to deal with all your posts when they're just baseless.
> In the future, please attempt to know a little more about what you're
> debating.
Thank you for your criticism, it will be considered
with the appropriatre degree of seriousness.
>
>
> >
> > > DAC is not Microsoft speak. In fact,
> > > > many trusted Unixes had it before MS even had Windows.
> >
> > Not too much use for "trusted unix" in internet services.
>
> So? That's a non sequitur.
Sorry if you couldn't follow, I'll try not to confuse you in future.
> The point is that NT can be an ultra-secure trusted system
> when configured to be so. Linux, OTOH, cannot.
Ah, but it can, as NSA and bastille linux demonstrate.
<rantings snipped>
> No, Linux really isn't that great, and in fact doesn't
> really have any of the necessary features to make it a
> great OS.
Actually, as one who has worked with many flavors
of Unix, as well as windows in a former life, I think
Linux is great, and does have the potential to be a
powerhouse in the next few years. IBM and a few
other folks happen to agree.
You obviously don't, and that's fine - but why are
you so angry about it, what's at stake for you?
jjs
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:20:40 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>On Sat, 03 Feb 2001 02:05:55 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Said Jim Richardson in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 28 Jan 2001
>>> T. Max Devlin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [...]
>>>>>Reno (via the various fed three letter agencies at the time) fired incendiary
>>>>>rounds into a wooden structure, used CS gas with a flammable propellant,
>>>>>refused to allow fireengines access to the church, and in general, lied and
>>>>>missrepresented the situation from day one.
>>>>
>>>>Yea, right.
>>>
>>>Truth is truth, whether it makes you uncomfortable or not is irrelevent. The
>>>feds lied about a drug lab (they later admitted it was a lie) about child abuse
>>>(which is not even in the federal jurisdiction in the first place.) and about
>>>the actions they took. There wasn't a single day of the siege that went by,
>>>without the feds lieing about something.
>>
>>I get real skeptical when I hear stuff like that.
>>
>>There wasn't a single day of the siege that went by that the Branch
>>Davidians shouldn't have turned themselves in and had their day in
>>court. Instead, they committed suicide. And that makes the government
>>the bad guy?
>
> Yup.
>
> IT'S THEIR JOB TO BE IN CONTROL.
>
> They let things get out of control, therefore they failed.
>
> The cops that beat up King are guilty of the same sort of
> professional malpractice. Innocents DIED because of their
> machismo and incompetence.
>
> They blundered strategically and tactically. This should
> be apparent even if you view Koresh as the anti-christ.
>
> The "untouchables" raided what was essentially a monastery
> and most Americans didn't even blink.
>
>--
>
> Section 8. The Congress shall have power...
>
> To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for
> limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their
> respective writings and discoveries;
> |||
>
I'd like to throw in my 2 cents worth if you don't mind.
When it came to King, King resisted arrest and was beaten up
for doing it. It was put on video and the citizens finally
got to see police in action up close. You'd never see this
on cops but it happens all the time and still happens to
this day.
When it comes to Koresh, don't we have better things to do
with our Federal money and time than chace religious kooks?
Religious kooks with guns or not, who cares....
Did they break any law? I still never heard.
They made alot of claims but seemingly they had no evidence.
Why were they even there?
We have organized crime and drug running all over the
country and here they were in Waco Texas fucking
with some religious weirdo who wasn't doing anything wrong.
Nobody would have died if they didn't show up.
Randy Weaver would be another great example of over-reacting
to a minor issue.
Our government if flat crazy. We have police writing tickets
for not wearing your seatbelt in all 50 states now yet I
defy you to find your local parole-violator search unit
within any police force. The police will write you that
$25 ticket for not wearing your seatbelt but when it comes
to finding some murderer who got out in 3 and escaped his
parole they don't bother to look for the dangerous.
Crazy government! We are so tied up with not smoking
on airlines and airline seatbelts,,, all that crap.
Show me the group of misfortunate passangers who slammed
into the ground at 150 mph or more who were saved by
a seatbelt.
Hell there not even good body collection devices.
We have people killed by escaped parole's all over
this nation and the MAJOR concerns by the JERK crowds
of semi-intelligent people are concerned about smoking,
seatbelts, and religious people.
Wonder how many more decades of this nonsense America
can take?
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Suggestions (SERIOUS ones please) requested
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:22:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Peterson wrote:
>Can anyone direct me to a source of info -- print, web or otherwise
>-- describing only the fundamentals of tying together three Win machines
>to a Linux server and what it would take for them to communicate? This
>is for a simple home rig only.
http://www.samba.org
> Before someone suggests "Ditch the Windows machines entirely", I
>WOULD in a second if there were comparable multitrack audio editing
>programs available that would run under Linux. I am locked into what my
>local machines must be and do, but the server is up for grabs.
> Any suggestion/direction is welcome, as long as it is relevant and
>not a rant.
>Thx. -ap
Charlie
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 08:28:08 +0200
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daza wrote:
>
> > Erm, maybe you should look at the tpc results more closely.
Windows2000
> > does not appear in the top ten *Non-clustered* results. This implies
that
> > Wintel SMP systems do not scale well. The only way to get Wintel to
give
> > high-end performance is to use clustering. Mature OS's like True64,
AIX,
> > OS/390, Nonstop Kernel and Solaris have excellent SMP/MPP scalability.
> > Linux and Windows are not as "single box" scalable as these.
>
> Not sure why you are lumping "Linux and windows" together,
> it makes about as much sense as "Solaris and windows".
>
> Have you looked at specweb 99? Nobody has better 8-way
> results than Linux, not solaris, not aix, not Tru-64 Unix.
>
> microsoft, with their all-out "benchmark buster" web cache
> configuration, came close, but you can see the results for
> normally aspirated windows pcs way down in the results.
There has been an exactly one 8-way windows benchmark, you know.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 08:29:38 +0200
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > Unix cost *much* more, and gives *much* less.
>
> This is of course completely false.
>
> Windows is one of the more expensive OSes, to be sure.
> Let's compare Solaris 8, Red Hat Linux, FreeBSD, and win2k
> datacenter server, and set up a mail server for 5000 users.
> Let it serve web pages too, what the heck.
>
> Windows is by far the most expensive.
>
> Let's look at specweb 99. Compare Linux and win2k.
> win2k is frightfully expensive, but doesn't quite match
> Linux performance wise.
>
> How does that translate, in any sane universe, to
> "unix costs more and gives much less"?
>
> Explain, if you can.
TPC.ORG
That is what I'm referring to.
Don't snip all of what I said and focus on one sentence.
Keep the meaning.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:40:08 GMT
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > Unix cost *much* more, and gives *much* less.
>
> This is of course completely false.
View the TPC. The numbers speak for themselves.
<SNIP: a bunch of factless arguments with false premises>
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: How long does your box run for?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 06:58:11 GMT
In article <95fvj5$a3l$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) wrote:
>With Linux 2.4 providing supercomputer capability and Solaris and AIX being
>offered $999 boxes (MSRP), any claims by Microsoft of superior TCO based on
>comparisons between $25,000 Unix servers and $2000 NT machines are looking
>more and more absurd.
>
I think you have that backwards.
We paid $80,000 for our Silicon Rax Windows servers.
And that system can't beat my $2500 desktop equipped
with Debian 2.2 R2. No shit!
>Ironically, what makes this interesting is what actually drives this market.
>Initially, the demand for the $999 rack-mount box began to increase when ISPs
>suddenly realized that they could only put about 16 processors in a 19 inch
>rack using traditional PC cases but they could get 40 processors or more into
>the same 19 inch rack.
>
That stuff is cool. My next one will have USB keyboards, mice and monitors
with peripherals and I'll throw the thing in the closet.
Run my cables into my study and living room and bedroom.
>In addition, beowulf clusters and "shared nothing" databases such as DB2 and
>postgreSQL have created a big demand for rack-mount cages that can support
>about 20 rack-mount units on each side of a 19 inch rack. When you add
>gigabit switches, SAN and EtherSAN technology, and massively clustered
>arrays, small cheap processors can redefine the hardware requirements for
>corporations.
>
You bet.
>I noticed at Linux info that there were many companies who offered very
>powerful hardware at very agreeable prices. What was even more important was
>that they were also willing to talk about service contracts and consulting
>services. In some cases, the service contracts for premium service (24/7
>service with 99.999% availability can cost as much as $1000 per rack unit per
>month).
>
And Linux can actually deliver 24/7 for real.
>Many of the customers were ISPs and corporate administrators who have
>been using Linux and were very interested in these types of service.
>
>One niche that was just beginning to emerge was support contracts and
>packages for the desktop market. Generally these packages were a combination
>of training and certification for customer employees backed by direct access
>to tier-3 through tier-5 support through the service provider. For those
>from Microsoft world, Tier 3 is the security patches and bugfix patches, tier
>4 is package integration and delivery (assuring that all dependencies are
>coordinated for new packages) and tier 5 is bug fixe creations at the source
>code level.
>
>KISMET
>
>> [ snip again ]
>>
>
>--
>Rex Ballard - Sr I/T Systems Architect
>Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
>http://www.open4success.com
>Linux - 80 million satisfied users worldwide
>and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 01/14/00)
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
It appears the mainframe manufacturers are preparing
to dump the old mainframe concept and replace it with
clustering with Linux also...
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:05:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Bunn wrote:
>On Thu, 01 Feb 2001, Nick Condon wrote:
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aaron R. Kulkis) wrote in
>>
>>>However, this has NOTHING to do with Microsoft. They have NEVER been
>>>*granted* a government-sanctioned monopoly.
>>
>>All copyrights and patents are government granted monopolies. Microsoft
>>holds many.
>
>Nick, I hope you don't mind this. In the interest of better communication, I'd
>like to clarify what you've been saying.
>
>Copyrights and patents are, indeed, government-granted monopolies. This is from
>the strict definition of "monopoly" to an economist, narrowly defined. IOW,
>MicroSoft has a monopoly, sanctioned by the government, on sale of the Windows*
>operating systems.
>
>This does not mean that their *effective* monopoly on *all* PC operating
>systems is government sanctioned, as Aaron seems to think you are saying. It
>is, rather, a result of MS use of "market power" (another piece of economist
>jargon that means more exactly what most people think momopoly means) to stifle
^^^^^^^^
Last time I saw this term, I was wearing a grass skirt and
drinking from a glass with an umbrella in it while swinging
my hips. That's what momopoly is to me.
>competition.
>
>I hope this clarifies the issue a little for everybody.
>
>--
>Robert Bunn
>
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: 03 Feb 2001 00:07:14 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> again.
> Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> Can't login to another terminal.
> Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> BRS time.
Just give up on Linux already. You're cursed.
I've been using it for 6 years now, and that's never happend to me.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:03:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
>properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
>just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
>and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
>times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
>again.
>Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
>Can't login to another terminal.
>Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
>BRS time.
>
>Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
>churning still has not produced a working system.
>
>I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
>expect much.
>
>Great system this Linux.
>Great system indeed.
>Great system NOT!!!!
>
>And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
>because that is the distribution that I bought.
>
>
>Flatfish
>Why do they call it a flatfish?
>Remove the ++++ to reply.
Well, nice try. But Linux don't do that.
I don't know how many more hundreds of messages your going
to put out here, but I'm noticing an explosion of growth
in Linux for the month of January.
There are entire shops being Linuxfied over here.
It surprises me.
I'm running into people in my bookstores, computer stores,
associates from my sigs, fello hams,,, Linux is
taking over several business's and datacenters in my town
and it's been doing it for 3 months now.
I don't see much future for Microsoft at the current
rate of growth.
Microsoft is loosing it's customer base rapidly.
We should be seeing some news about this soon in
the conventional media.
I'm surprised, happy, and shocked all at the same time.
These shops aren't trying experiments with a server
or two. They are simply throwing OUT the entire windows
nightmare.
Things are happening rapidly now.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:03:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, J Sloan wrote:
>Keep in mind that flatfish makes this stuff up as he goes along.
>Pete and he are a tag team now -
>
>It's really sad, this whole linux thing is eating him up inside,
>he's just sick with rage and grief - although it's anybody's
>guess what his motivation is...
>
He said he owns stock in Microsoft.
>jjs
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
>> properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
>> just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
>> and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
>> times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
>> again.
>> Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
>> Can't login to another terminal.
>> Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
>> BRS time.
>>
>> Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
>> churning still has not produced a working system.
>>
>> I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
>> expect much.
>>
>> Great system this Linux.
>> Great system indeed.
>> Great system NOT!!!!
>>
>> And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
>> because that is the distribution that I bought.
>>
>> Flatfish
>> Why do they call it a flatfish?
>> Remove the ++++ to reply.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Travis)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: KDE Hell
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:12:34 GMT
And Charlie Ebert spoke unto the masses...
:When it comes to Koresh, don't we have better things to do
:with our Federal money and time than chace religious kooks?
:Religious kooks with guns or not, who cares....
:
:Did they break any law? I still never heard.
Yes, several fire arms laws, hence the ATF.
:They made alot of claims but seemingly they had no evidence.
:Why were they even there?
Becuase the ATF was in the shitter in the media for several reasons (one of
which was their good-ol boy ralleys). So this was a trumped up media event for
them to do some good. Stupid idea, horrible consequences.
:We have organized crime and drug running all over the
:country and here they were in Waco Texas fucking
:with some religious weirdo who wasn't doing anything wrong.
:
:Nobody would have died if they didn't show up.
No one would have died if they had done what they were supposed to do either.
Koresh would go into town on a set schedule. He would also jog away from the
compound on a set schedule pretty much every day. So, the ATF SHOULD HAVE done
the proper thing, and arrested him (he was the only one directly named in the
warrants) when he was out jogging or in town playing guitar at one of the bars.
But back to the media thing. The ATF "tipped off" the media, to the impending
event (ever wonder how they showed up at the same exact time?). The problem was
somehow this got back to the compound, duh. And common sense tells you, that a
group who basically believes that their leader is _the_ savior, doesn't want a
bunch of guys comming in guns drawn to take cart him off to jail. Common sense
also says that considering the ATF knew about all the guns (hence the warrants
and the point of the issue) they would have been able to put two and two
together and figured out they had fucked themeselves from the very begining. So
the media shows up, the ATF shows up, and Koresh and his people are waiting.
Blah blah the FBI is called in to clean up the mess, and get stuck in a no win
situation. It was too bad about the children involved. This isn't to start a
flame war, and I won't bother to respond to anything regarding it. This *is*
what happened. A series of stupid decisions led to an unfortunate event. Never
underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups (especially when the
media is involved).
jt
--
Debian Gnu/Linux [Sid]
2.4.1|XFree4.0.2|Nvidia .95 drivers
You mean there's a stable tree?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 07:31:08 GMT
>"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow dog on
> machine i borrowed for a month.
>
But not Debian.
> Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather stay with
> windows 2000 where i can
That's cool.
> a) buy software off the shelves
Can be done.
> b) play the latest games
Yip. BTW, Linux now has all the latest games
also. FYI. They are all porting them to Linux
now. Things like QUAKE just ROCK.
> c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into your
> heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
> supported....oh dear)
Ah no. Linux supports USB. We had the latest demo at
our SIG. This guy had a USB scanner, printers, multiple monitors,
keyboards, and mice all hooked into a USB hub which went into this
dual processor compaq.
He had two X's going for two users, was scanning, was printing...
Had a camera thing.
You know,,, Windows Terminal server is dead.
This Linux USB thing is cool! You can have 2 quake games going
on the same box and the performance still rocks on that dual processor
compaq.
> d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install beta
> test software.
Ah. Debian prevents that. But I hear you.
RedHat, Suse, and Mandrake allow for inter-OS breakage.
Dselect or console-apt pretty much prevents this from happening
thanks to the .deb package system which is superior to RPM.
> e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half finished
> offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6 and
> Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
I don't think so. Not at all.
> f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
> because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah rah
> rah
I've seen sound before but since when have they ever had to patch
for PPP? But this is all immaterial.
My Debian 2.2 R 2 box has SB Live supported just fine.
I'm listening to my favorite classical station whilst I'm typing this.
Verdi!
Oh, and they have a hundred or so popular 10/100 cards compiled in here
with some of the new 1000 cards also. Let's see...
Video for Linux is in here. SCSI and Ultra IDE supports here. USB
support is in here. And this is an old 2.2 kernel I'm running on this
box. But my 2.2 kernel will kick W2k's ass anyday and give NT a good
run for it's money.
The 2.4 kernel on my other box just speeds away from NT.
W2k just sits there like the cyote, jaw on the pavement...
> g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any office and
> hey, the same things...wow......
Same here. Seems like with Debian's 4,400 packages, they have a Windows
equivalent for just about everything.
> h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
> through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and then
> find it wont ?
Well, newgroups require typing. But other than that...
I'm just kind of watching my audio equalizer display here.
> i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
> Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid, documented
> applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the pros and
> cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
> plate...
>
> Chew on that Rabid LINsUX user....
Well. Nobody's going to PRY Windows from your hand.
We're going to let YOU do that.
See, I've got a WEB server here. WINS {SAMBA} server here. Have a firewall.
You get all that crap running under Windows and your going to shell out
$5,500 at least for the software to do it. Debian is on all my machines
but 2 for FREE.
As far as stepping up to the corporate plate goes, your too late.
I think in many shops now, they are already there.
Most corporate users are tired of getting slammed by Microsoft's
high prices and lower quality. They are leaving in droves out
there.
I know a guy who worked for an attorney's firm over here on the
expressway and they had 8 windows servers in their organization
and 50 or so workstations. Those 8 servers are RedHat now
and 1/3 of their desktops are Redhat also. He plans on getting
the rest of the crew on Word Perfect for Linux in the month
of February. I asked him how long did you try RedHat and he
said 3 months to replace a server before they decided to do this.
Linux is a faster and cheaper service than Windows.
Linux has higher quality than Windows and Linux has
superior UpTIME!
I think you should just keep running Windows there.
That way you won't be learning Linux and my price
on the market will go up.
I like to make money.
CUL
Charlie
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