Linux-Advocacy Digest #925, Volume #33 Thu, 26 Apr 01 03:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Impact of Internet (Roedy Green)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (GreyCloud)
Re: Baseball (Nomen Nescio)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (GreyCloud)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Nomen Nescio)
Microsoft sent their customers a virus (Jeff Silverman)
Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Nomen Nescio)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("JoFi")
Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-) (Ray Chason)
Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents? (Ray Chason)
Re: Women's rights and responsibilities. (GreyCloud)
Re: Windows 2000 is Cool (Ray Chason)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: 26 Apr 2001 04:43:42 GMT
On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:01:58 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 12:18:16 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>
>> >> how can I help you? >dict feminism
>> >> Concise Oxford Dictionary, 8th Ed., Copyright 1991 Oxford Univ. Press
>> >> se>
>> >>
>> >> /feminism/ <<"femI%nIz(@)m>> n.
>> >> 1. the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the
>> >> sexes.
>> >
>> > I don't give a fuck what they ***SAY*** they're about...I watch what they
>> > ***DO***
>>
>> No, they don't. See the above definition. A feminist is anyone who does
>> that specified in the above definition.
>>
>> > And what feminists ***DO*** is seek unfair advantage over men.
>>
>> Again, you're using a cricular argument. You're defining "feminist" as such
>> a person, and then conluding the same.
>
> And your refutation (without using an argument which can also be
> defined as circular) is what, exactly?
My refutation is that you are not using an accurate definition. The
difference is that I've offered a definition from a credible third party,
while all you've done is foamed at the mouth and spewed bile.
Hope that helps.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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From: Roedy Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 04:49:06 GMT
On 26 Apr 2001 04:24:36 GMT, Phlip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote or
quoted :
>Another impact of the Internet is we get exposed to insightful and
>sensitive discourse like this...
I read there is a Russian AI experiment that figures it is almost
ready for prime time. Perhaps they let a beta version loose on the
Internet to see if it could pass a Turing test. They chose a
particularly easy sort of human to emulate.
I wonder if it will notice I just insulted it.
-
For more detail, please look up the key words mentioned in this post in
the Java Glossary at:
http://mindprod.com/gloss.html or http://209.153.246.39/gloss.html
If you don't see what you were looking for, complain!
or send your contribution for the glossary.
--
Roedy Green, Canadian Mind Products
Custom computer programming since 1963.
Almost ready to take on new work.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 21:50:20 -0700
billh wrote:
>
> "Roberto Alsina"
>
> > >> > If the prosecution proves you were in no mortal danger, or would not
> > >> > have reasonably believed you were in mortal danger, then self-defense
> > >> > becomes wrongful death. If you want to play games, that is. But I
> > >> > think the fact that you pulled my comment out of context is enough to
> > >> > show your lack of argument.
> > >>
> > >> In some jurisdictions in the USA a stranger invading your house is
> grounds
> > >> for use of fatal force. You're not required to show that you were in,
> or
> > >> thought yourself to be in, mortal danger.
> > >
> > >
> > >Yep, this is very true in South Carolina and Texas (probably other
> > >states also). The law is referred to as the "Don't Ask" law. If
> > >an intruder breaks into my house here in Texas then the State gives
> > >me the right to be judge, jury, and executioner. The incident won't
> > >even go to the grand jury.
> >
> > Actually, I think the situation right now is that it is not legal
> > to kill the intruder, but that the attorneys hace decided not to
> > prosecute that specific crime.
>
> You are again wrong. The "situation right now is" that it is legal to kill
> the intruder in some jurisdictions without having to prove you felt yourself
> to be in mortal danger.
>
Thank you Bill. I don't need to say more. :-)
> > There's a gulf between "legal" and "not prosecuted".
>
> There is also a gulf between the truth and what you believe to be true.
--
V
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Baseball
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:00:04 +0200 (CEST)
Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jim dutton wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > >>
> > >> how many retailers sell linux machines again?
> > >> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> > >>
> > >> p.s. sneering & not bathing does not a viable marketing strategy make
> > >
> > >Only a moron would wonder about the sales of a
> > >free downloadable operating system.
> > >
> > >Into the breech steps jackie!
> >
> > If sarcasm bit you on the ass Chris would you notice?
>
> It didn't bite me, though. Sarcasm is often conveyed by
> voice tone, or, in text, by quotes and other symbols.
> Although jackie may have meant sarcasm, his writing did
> not convey it.
there's some interesting speculation regarding the connection between
autism and nerdishness.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
i don't know what made me think of that
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 05:01:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, jet
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:34:06 -0700
<9c077p$2rlc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> jet wrote:
>> >
>> > Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[snip for brevity]
>> I think she was complaining that Lara Croft represented unrealistic body
>> proportions
>
>Well, um, duh. And so what?
Well, there might be one advantage to being, erm, proportioned like L.C.;
presumably, she can hold the automatic weapon in front of her and
the kickback from said rifle would keep her from tipping forward. :-)
I would think a more logical physique would be lithe and
skinny, with a sports bra/shorts type outfit for hot weather as
she runs around from dangerous point to dangerous point trying
to keep from getting shot. Mind you, in cooler weather, camos would
probably work a lot better.... :-) but really, her current green outfit
would stick out like a sore thumb anywhere she wanted to try to hide.
Realistic? Yeah right...but then, guess what the target market is?
Hint: it's not post-pubescent females...
However, one might also go for squat and muscular; L.C.'s waist
looks wonderful, but I doubt it gives her the ability to
breathe deeply should she need the energy. (Think a combination
of opera singer and SWAT commando. :-) )
>
>>and that that somehow prevented young girls from entering
>> into Math/Science.
>
>Barbie dolls didn't stop me.
Personally, I wonder who the dumbass was who programmed in the
"Math is haaaaaaard" into them at one point.
[.sigsnip]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random math anxiety here
EAC code #191 9d:10h:10m actually running Linux.
This is a pithy statement. Please watch where you pith.
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:10:11 +0200 (CEST)
aaron wrote:
> "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" wrote:
> >
> > Translation: the girls back home won't touch Aaron, in spite
> > of his brushes and M16..
>
>
> Spot the slander.
in this case truth is an absolute defense
so tell me aaron
when was the last time you fucked an american woman?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 22:12:52 -0700
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bud Frawley wrote:
> > >
> > > On 23 Apr 2001 08:43:35 -0500, Chad Everett said...
> > > > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 07:29:25 -0500, Bud Frawley
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 08:13:02 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis said...
> > > > >> MH wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >> > news:9c06um$1o3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >> > > news:vEFE6.1319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating
> idiot.
> > > > >> > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for
> equal work is a
> > > > >> > > > self
> > > > >> > > > > flagellating idiot?
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > No, just any man who marries one.
> > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Any man who marries a woman who thinks she should get paid the
> same as a
> > > > >> > man
> > > > >> > > for the same work is a self flagellating idiot?
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > LOL.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > J
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Pay is not the issue. I've no problem with women getting equal
> pay.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But try to find a woman who TRULY does equal work...like coming in
> early,
> > > > >> or staying late, as needed. Or going out of town on a business
> trip
> > > > >> on short notice....or transferring half way across the country (or
> > > > >> even to an office 20 miles farther from her house).
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Quite frankly...there are reasons why the STATISTICAL AVERAGE for
> > > > >> women's pay is so much lower than men...they refuse to go to the
> > > > >> same lengths that men will to *EARN* it'
> > > > >
> > > > >LOL!!!!! I guess you just proved your not a manager! when my cousin
> got
> > > > >promotyed to manager in his company he showed me the pay list! there
> was
> > > > >2 different pays 1 for men 1 for women! men got paid $13.00 an hour
> when
> > > > >women got paid $9.00 an hour for the same shift! I told him it's not
> fair
> > > > >and they should pay the same so he filed an greavence. they said no
> way.
> > > > >he quit that job in a hurry! I bet they stop laughing when I call
> feds on
> > > > >this one! they offered him mney to keep quiet but I said no way I'm
> > > > >keepiung quiet! this is gonna hit the papers when I start talking!
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You made this up and it's not true at all. What do you think they
> Feds
> > > > will says when they find out you made a false report to them?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I hope you like egg on your face because that's what your gonna have
> when
> > > this hit's the paper! I guess you thnk I made up an official document
> > > from his company! ya right! for you information it was signed by the
> > > company's president!
> >
> > Did anyone place a gun to the women's heads and force them to work their?
> > a) yes
> > B) NO
> >
> >
> > no more questions, your honor.
>
> Damn, are you stupid. It's against the LAW.
>
> J
It may be against the LAW, but it happens all the time.
Even the Fed. Gov. that I retired from actually says "If you don't like
it here, quit!"
They were an equal opportunity employer,... and everyone got the same
line.
--
V
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:20:09 +0200 (CEST)
aaron wrote:
> You're either born with it (genetic), or you choose it (for whatever
> reason).
>
>
> So, homosexuality is the result of either a genetic defect, or a choice.
>
>
> There are *NO* other options.
not too bright are you?
you see a man with no legs.
this may be the result of:
a. a genetic defect
b. self mutilation
c. _______________?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Jeff Silverman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Microsoft sent their customers a virus
Date: 26 Apr 2001 05:26:21 GMT
The following is an excerpt from a message from SANS (Vol 3 Num. 17) and I would
assume it is
trustworthy:
> Security Alert for Microsoft's Premier Support Customers Microsoft
> Premier Support customers were notified on Monday night that several
> Microsoft Hotfixes downloaded from the Premier Support and Gold
> Certified Partner web sites (between April 6 and 20)were infected with
> the Fun Love virus. We do not yet know whether other Microsoft Hotfix
> download sites were also affected. It makes sense to have your virus
> detection software current.
>
--
Jeff Silverman, PC guy, Linux wannabe, Java wannabe, Software engineer, husband,
father etc.
See my website: http://www.commercialventvac.com/~jeffs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: e: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 07:40:03 +0200 (CEST)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, jet
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sun, 22 Apr 2001 20:34:06 -0700
> <9c077p$2rlc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> >Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> jet wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> [snip for brevity]
>
> >> I think she was complaining that Lara Croft represented unrealistic body
> >> proportions
> >
> >Well, um, duh. And so what?
>
> Well, there might be one advantage to being, erm, proportioned like L.C.;
> presumably, she can hold the automatic weapon in front of her and
> the kickback from said rifle would keep her from tipping forward. :-)
>
> I would think a more logical physique would be lithe and
> skinny, with a sports bra/shorts type outfit for hot weather as
> she runs around from dangerous point to dangerous point trying
> to keep from getting shot.
i think a more logical physique would be a guy's
however:
> Realistic? Yeah right...but then, guess what the target market is?
> Hint: it's not post-pubescent females...
w00p there it is
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
p.s. love the poster
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: "JoFi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 08:02:44 +0200
"JS PL" <hi everybody!> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
<snip>
> > > Hint: I already tried it and I *can* burn CD's as a "user" with
default
> > > user settings. I didn't do anything except install the CDRWin
software,
> > > create a new user, log in as that user and burn a CD.
> > >
> >
> > Then your setup is insecure. Do you have Win2K installed on a FAT32
> > partition, by chance?
>
> Here's an idea...shut the fuck up quit trying to grasp at straws. It's an
> NTSF file system, your just plain_fucking_wrong about the Win2K burning
> issue / FUD! End of discussion.
>
>
Exactly. Just another anti-MS zealot spouting as many lies as they can in
the hope that someone will think its true without actually verifying.
BTW I can burn on W2k as a normal user. *shock* ;-)
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Microsoft hit new security 'level' :-)
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:31:07 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley) wrote:
>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/8/18516.html
>
>Roll on .net so that we can all let Microsoft look after our
>valuable data. What a joke they are. :-)
While this is a major gaffe on the part of Microsoft, I'm willing to
be fair. If a binary-infecting virus for Linux existed in the wild,
this could in principle happen to Linux as well; and the usual bit
about not being root would only mitigate the damage, and would be
of no help at all if the infected binary was installed setuid root.
Those of us who habitually compile from source would probably be
unaffected.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents?
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:34:09 -0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett) wrote:
>On Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:28:11 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Richard Thrippleton wrote:
>>>
>>> I had this idea/nightmare the other day, and was wondering how
>>> feasible it was. I'm sure this isn't strictly the best group, but there's a
>>> lot of MS bashing going on, so why not? Now, if MS were to entirely close
>>> the standards for MS Office document files in the next version, would they
>>> be able to take action against Apple and Sun for AppleWorks and StarOffice
>>> respectively under the terms of the DMCA? After all, if MS don't give them
>>> permission to read their new document format but they go ahead and do it
>>> anyway, they're breaking down proprietary 'encryption' (document format). If
>>> they say they close the standard to prevent unauthorised copying of
>>> documents, even better? Sorry to those of you who lose sleep over this
>>> malign vision :)
>>> So, how feasible is this all?
>>>
>>> Richard
>>
>>I think this would have too much potential for legal repercussions.
>>Anti-trust et al.
>>--
>
>Microsoft is doing this today with its Windows Media Player format.
That's a patent, not the DMCA. Antitrust (non)repercussions are
orthogonal to that issue of course.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Women's rights and responsibilities.
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 23:38:17 -0700
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > This is why I advocate that ALL American men marry women from overseas...
> > preferably a country where women take a dim view of feminism.
> >
>
> Translation: Aaron is a reject pretending to be doing the rejecting. No
> American woman would have him, so he had to get a mail order whore from a
> "translation" agency.
>
> > [Yes, in many countries, the attitude is "Feminism is for WEAK women"]
>
> LOL. Did your mail order whore tell you that? Did you know that "gullible"
> is not in the dictionary?
>
> J
Gee, I found it in mine. Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary. (C)
1983
ISBN 0-87779-509-6 (indexed)
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From: Ray Chason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 06:40:40 -0000
Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ray Chason wrote:
>>
>> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> +------------------------+
>> >> | PLEASE |
>> >> | |
>> >> | Do not feed the troll. |
>> >> | Thank you. |
>> >> | |
>> >> | The Management |
>> >> +----------+ +----------+
>> >> | |
>> >> | |
>> >> | |
>> >> | |
>> >> | |
>> >> * () ( * )(| @( )( * %@ )
>> >> ( )( ))( || (|)| )( )((
>> >> --------------------------
>> >
>> >
>> >Is this sign GPL'd?
>>
>> BSD'd. WTF, it's not like I can make any money from it anyway.
>>
>You will probably see that in Microsoft software soon.
Perhaps, but we all know that software licenses don't apply to
Micro$oft anyway. 800 pound gorilla and all that.
--
--------------===============<[ Ray Chason ]>===============--------------
PGP public key at http://www.smart.net/~rchason/pubkey.asc
Delenda est Windoze
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