Linux-Advocacy Digest #946, Volume #29           Mon, 30 Oct 00 18:13:05 EST

Contents:
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Bruce Schuck")
  Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Nigel Feltham")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why Red Hat is as bad as Microsoft (Aaron Ginn)
  Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Nigel Feltham")
  Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 14:52:01 -0800


"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > No one could stop an OEM from selling a retail copy of
Windows
> > Me.
> > > > But
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > would be a lot more expensive.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Look, when the OS license cost more than the profit margin of
a
> > PC,
> > > > > > > then DOUBLING the OS licence cost effectively forces the OEM
to
> > raise
> > > > > > > prices.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes. Discounts do allow companies to sell their products for
less.
> > > > > > Sometimes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sometimes they just pocket the difference as profit.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regardless--PUNISHING a company for offering a competitor's
product
> > > > > is OBSTRUCTION OF TRADE and it is illegal.
> > > >
> > > > You don't get it. "Punishing" would be if they told Dell they had to
pay
> > > > more than retail for Windows Me and Office 2000 if they sold
products
> > > > Microsoft didn't want them to.
> > > >
> > > > "Rewarding" is where Dell gets Windows Me and Office 2000 real, real
> > cheap
> > > > for doing what Microsoft wants.
> > >
> > > Since Microsoft doesn't require any other vendor to pay retail
> > > price, then that's not a discount.
> >
> > By retail I meant the stand, no discount price. And lots of vendors pay
that
> > price.
>
> When the "discount" price is the prevailing price, that *IS* the price.

It's not the prevailing price. The retail price in the stores is the
prevailing price.

Get a clue.





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: 30 Oct 2000 22:50:41 GMT

 John Arebir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> blessed us with this true writ:

> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:09:46 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >But the problem with this... you guys always say that's why Linux is
> >better because there are no hard and fast deadlines, but it doesn't show.
> >Linux now exceeds NT 4.0 on hacked sites list, it's taking over on the
> >number of bugs list, and the response time for patches is worse than
> >Microsoft in most cases. This just doesn't hold up.
> 
> 1) There's a difference between a patch and a major release.
> 2) 2.2 -> 2.4 is not a patch. Was Win3.1 => 4.0 (95) a patch?
> 3) Linux exceeds NT 4.0. This is the only fact you state above.
> 4) Are you a Idiot Savant?

Welcome to c.o.l.a. Chad is more a 'gainsaying 'bot' than an 
'idiot savant',  but I have noted a lot of looping lately. 
Perhaps a refresh will soon be in the offing.

Vacuo

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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:47:45 -0000


>Whan was the last time the Unix world did anything to make life easier for
>Microsoft?
>


What about the time microsoft released a supposedly unix compatible
operating system called Xenix and then found out it wasn't totally unix
compatible so instead of fixing their own product they made unix licence
code from microsoft to fix the compatibility problem - and until earlier
this year when SCO was bought by Caldera the licence costs had to continue
to be paid to MS on a yearly basis for code that was only there to fix a
problem in an MS operating system.

>As for Apple, without Microsoft it would be dead, dead, dead. Without Word
>and Excel there would have benn zero reasons for anyone in the business
>world to allow Apples in.
>


What about wordstar / wordperfect and Lotus 123 - without MS introducing
non-standart proprietry formats Apple users wouldn't have needed Word or
Excel.

>And without Microsofts infusion of cash, Apple would be toast.

And without MS's criminal business tactics Apple wouldn't be in trouble to
start with.





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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:30:26 -0500

Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 04:59:58 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:24:13 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> [Ralph Nader...]
> > >> That is a good one.. He is still just another EnviroNazi the world can
> > >> do with out. I like Browne though. He just makes too much damn sense.
> > >> He has really been railroaded by the media he and nader should have
> > >> recieved equal time.
> > >   However, according to "private sector good, public sector bad"
> > >ideology, the news media is doing the Right Thing. And if it is not,
> > >then why hasn't it gone broke?
> 
> > You are truely an idot Loren..WTF kind of arguement is that? How can
> > you draw a corelation between not wanting state run schools into it is
> > ok for the press not to give third party canidates equal time?
> 
>    But if anything goes when running a business, that includes it being
> OK not to give alternative-party candidates equal time.
> 
>    This "anything goes" position is a common defense of M$'s actions by
> apologists for it, I may add.
> 
> > I believe it is against the law for them to give more time to a dem
> > than a repl right? So why not give the green and the lib equal time?
> 
>    I'm not sure what laws you have in mind. Remember that it is the
> right wing which got rid of the Fairness Doctrine after a long time of
> supporting it as a stick to beat the news media with.
> 
> > This should fit into your "making the world fair through socialism"
> > philosphy Loren..
> 
>    However, your objections to the news media's coverage of politics
> may be interpreted as fundamentally socialistic.

So, according to you, if it's not socialist, it's unfair.

Yet another telling revelation, asshole.


> 
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:32:29 -0500

Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> > >    Don't be too sure. She may have thought that you were a more
> > > reliable immigration ticket.
> 
> > Yes, women do find the ability to properly support one's self (without
> > depending on government bureaucrats) to be attractive.
> 
>    This from someone whose pay had been handled by government
> bureaucrats for many years. And whose pay nowadays is being handled by
> big-business bureaucrats.
> 
> > By the way, do you interpret a desire to increase one's standard
> > of living to be something shameful?
> 
>    So if someone tries to extort money from you, you say "Hooray! Here
> is someone who wants to improve his standard of living."?
> 

Hey, fuckwad....it's you goddamned fucking SOCIALISTS who advocate
extortion, not libertarians.  You know....like, *you* *BETTER* pay
all of these taxes so that we can write checks to crack-whores and
their demon spawn....or else *YOU* are going to jail.

> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:33:00 -0500

Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 29 Oct 2000 03:57:43 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > >> By the way, do you interpret a desire to increase one's standard
> > >> of living to be something shameful?
> > >   So if someone tries to extort money from you, you say "Hooray! Here
> > >is someone who wants to improve his standard of living."?
> > Loren it is you that advocates criminal behavior as an alternative to
> > honest work.
> 
>    What makes something "criminal"?

You REALLY are a fucking idiot, aren't you


> 
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:34:13 -0500

Loren Petrich wrote:
> 
> In article <UvNK5.20512$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad Myers
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > "Loren Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 
> > >    Also, this "nobody is forced to buy it" ignores compatibility and
> > > stuff like that. It's like saying that Static66 has no right to
> > > complain about taxes since he is 100% free to move to some tax-free
> > > capitalist utopia.
> 
> > Where is this tax-free capitalist utopia? Is there one? I don't
> > believe so.
> 
>    It's perfectly possible to create one. Simply build a floating city
> and declare it a sovereign nation.

I think I'll do that.

Or maybe make a landfill near Bermuda.

Or even better...ON THE GREAT BARRIER REEF (as it is outside of any
national jurisdiction) HA HAAAAAAAAAAA!


> 
> >  OTOH, there are many other OS competitors that run on
> > the same PCs (albeit more poorly... but this is why MS has market
> > dominance in the first place).
> 
>    And how do they run more poorly? Linux and the BSD's are generally
> *much* more stable than Windows. Getting months of uptime is *very*
> typical.
> 
>    I will concede that the current MacOS is not that great in the
> stability department, though MacOS X should fix that.
> 
> --
> Loren Petrich
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Happiness is a fast Macintosh
> And a fast train


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:35:20 -0500

Bruce Schuck wrote:
> 
> "John Fereira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8tk5ji$rf6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <rGPK5.116711$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bruce Schuck"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > "Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > :Look at Oracle. You pay for the software by the mhz of the chip
> you
> > >run
> > >> > it
> > >> > > :on .... as if that was any of their f**king business.
> > >> > > :
> > >> > > :Upgrade the processor and pay more money!
> > >> > > :
> > >> > > :Talk about extortion.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Why?  I see no relation.
> > >> >
> > >> > I guess you are blind.
> > >> >
> > >> > > The problem with Microsoft's business practices is that they were
> > >> > intentionally
> > >> > > designed to thwart agreements between the Microsoft client and some
> > >other
> > >> > > third software maker by means other than offering a superior
> product.
> > >> >
> > >> > They were designed to strongly encourage companies that sold hardware
> to
> > >> > sell only Microsoft software in the same way GM, Ford, and Chrysler
> > >strongly
> > >> > encouraged franchisees to only sell cars made by the company that
> sold
> > >them
> > >>   ^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > the franchise.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Note the PAST TENSE, as this is *ILLEGAL*.
> > >>
> > >> A sizeable portion of auto-dealers, IN AND AROUND DETROIT--RIGHT UNDER
> > >> THE AUTO-EXEC's NOSES sell cars and trucks from multiple
> manufacturers...
> > >
> > >A sizeable portion? Are you trying to tell me dealers sell both Ford and
> GM
> > >and Chrysler cars?
> > >
> > >Never seen it.
> > >
> > >Or are you talking Ford/VW and GM/Volvo.
> > >
> > >That I've seen. And I've seen Auto Malls where multiple separate dealers
> > >sell cars.
> >
> > Are you sure they're separate?   Out in the south SF bay area there is a
> > company called the "Lucas Dealership Group".  It's one company that owns
> > mulitple dealerships that include almost all of the major domestic and
> > foreign models.  I've seen the same thing in several other places.  Each
> > dealership might be limited to one or two manufacturers but they're all
> owned
> > by the same company.
> 
> Sounds like a way around the Big 3's attempt to keep one dealer from selling
> cars from multiple manufacturers.
> 
> I found this link
> http://www.openhere.com/shop1/automotive/dealers/dealership-groups/.
> 
> It seems dealership groups are just groups of companies -- each company
> having a dealership for one brand of car.
> 
> I think Aaron is running a con when he says Dealerships can offer different
> brands from the Big 3.

Come to Detroit....and LOOK.


> 
> His complaints about Microsoft doing something illegal are just bullsh*t. It
> seems to be standard business practice.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Aaron Ginn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Red Hat is as bad as Microsoft
Date: 30 Oct 2000 15:31:59 -0700

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:

> > Mandrake is an excellent distro.  It is very newbie friendly yet it
> > includes lots of software that would benefit experienced users.
> > Whether or not it is true Linux is semantics, IMO.  
> 
> Its not semantics actually, its legalities.  They changed the kernel
> without either Cox's or Torvald's approval; therefore it is not 
> linux.  


Fair enough.  Mandrake is a Linux-like OS.  Linux-like enough that 99% 
of the people that use it wouldn't know the difference.


> > Mandrake is
> > optimized for Pentium class machines, so that's where the kernel
> > modifications come into play.
> 
> No, actually it isnt where the header-cleaning comes into play.  You
> are absolutely dead wrong.


I will defer to you, as I don't know this for certain.  Do you have a
source specifying what changes were made and why?  I'd be interested
in taking a look at it.


> > I've never had a problem with Mandrake.  It's very stable for me, and
> > I don't lack for anything.  Mandrake's admin tools are also
> > excellent.  DrakConf makes some of the most arcane tasks trivial.
> 
> > So what if it isn't true Linux, or if the elitist users look down
> > their nose at you for running it.  
> 
> Theres nothing wrong with running it; it simply shouldnt be included
> in a conversation about LINUX, since it isnt.  :)
> 
> > Sure, Mandrake is simple to set up, 
> > and I believe it will be the premiere desktop Linux in a few years,
> > but it's not just for newbies.  A power user can do anything he can
> > with any other distro.  
> 
> Oh really?  I cant compile tin 1.5.6 without hacking the source, 
> because of those kernel headers.  I cant compile glade, gcc, xcc, 
> mozilla, the latest MESA or knews for that matter.
> 
> I can do those things under SuSe, Debian and Slackware.
> 
> > Mandrake strikes the best balance of any
> > distribution in terms of ease of use without limiting functionality.
> 
> It limits functionality, though for fairly hardcore 'power' users 
> only.  It is definately not for someone who likes to compile their
> binaries


I'm not saying you're wrong, but I've compiled a lot of software from
source (LAME, Emacs, PortSentry, et. al.), and I've _never_ had a
problem.  In fact, I've never even had to edit a configure script or a
Makefile.  It's always worked for me.  What kinds of problems did you
run into.


-- 
Aaron J. Ginn                    Phone: 480-814-4463 
Motorola SemiCustom Solutions    Pager: 877-586-2318
1300 N. Alma School Rd.          Fax  : 480-814-4463
Chandler, AZ 85226 M/D CH260     mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 22:56:01 -0000

>If they have to they will come out with Microsoft Linux and make sure Word
>and Excel ports only work on that version of Linux. It will look a lot like
>Corel Linux, the most user friendly Linux.
>


And how will they get round the GPL licence on all the code - anything they
do to the kernel or to X will automatically be forced to be open-source
too - Current distros modify the kernel but under the GPL are forced to
supply source code including their modifications - the only thing MS could
do without distributing source is write a window manager and installer which
is what Corel did - Nobody would buy something where changing window
managers breaks the applications so they cannot do the protection in there
either.





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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:40:30 -0500

chrisv wrote:
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> Well, I'm not going to lie, I don't like your sig.
> >> It's *HUGE* sig, and it's HIGHLY annoying.
> >
> >Yes.  it's especially annoying to those who try to troll me by
> >       limiting the impact of their lies.
> >
> >> Please remove or shorten it.
> >
> >Make me.
> 
> You know, there's names for people who do things that they know are
> annoying to others, just because they can.

If you don't want to read my .sig....the...here's a hint:

When you see "Aaron R. Kulkis" "Unix Systems Engineer"...STOP READING

Can you handle that, shit-for brains?

Now here's a practice exercise....
see if you can handle tha simple procedure described above:

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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