Linux-Advocacy Digest #946, Volume #34 Mon, 4 Jun 01 00:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) ("Jan Johanson")
Re: Argh - Ballmer ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Monolithic arch's SMP, and licenses... we're all over the place today! ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!! (flatfish+++)
Re: UI Importance ("Jan Johanson")
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust! ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
Re: Linux beats Win2K (again) (Terry Porter)
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: 3 Jun 2001 21:58:04 -0500
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> > Besides, If you had the kind of experience with UNIX
> > that you seem to pretend to have, you'd understand
> > why the Linux kernel is completely substandard.
> >
>
> Then you better tell the CEO of IBM that Linux is substandard because
> they just dumped an awful lot of money into getting linux to run on
> their mainframes. :-)
Oh, I see, so Linux=good because a lot of money was spent modifying it to
run on some once-upon-a-time-evil-empire's hardware?
So, the $2 billion in R&D MS spends yearly on Windows, being greater than
the <$1 billion IBM has spent pretty much helps confirm that Windows>Linux -
is that what you meant?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argh - Ballmer
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:49:24 +0200
"Tuomo Takkula" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> didn't really make up my mind in that question yet, but I'd like to
> add one point: the funding agency (for instance a government) has the
> right and the duty to choose the license that they think is beneficial
> to their population. This includes short term effects as well as
> effects that may well lie far in the future. What these effects will
> be is difficult to predict, but the past can give us some indications:
>
> - GPL based software is very successful and lead to the creation of
> high quality portable software development tools (GNU-tools) and a
> very popular, portable stable operating system (Linux) that made
> its' way into peoples homes and into industry. There is little doubt
> that the population and business benefit from the GPL license model.
No, they don't, at least not neccecarily.
The benefit from getting free software, and having the source code
avialable, that is true.
But there are plenty of cases where GPL would hinder you, rather than help.
> - BSD license based projects are very successful as well, but at least
> as the question Linux (GPL) vs BSD (BSD-license) is concerned I
> think it is fair to say that Linux made the race. The reasons for
> this are probably irrational (Linux is sexier than BSD, not better,
> IMHO), but there is no evidence (yet?) that the BSD license will
> perform better with respect to public benefit than the GPL license
> does. Regarding the fact that industry is able to use BSD code and
> is not obliged to return something to the public in return makes
> that even doubtful.
Yes, there is, MacOS X is partially based on BSD code.
Apple gave back a lot of things to the BSD community.
> As I said, I didn't make up my mind yet, but I think that the public
> can demand from a company that wants to use publicly funded code in
> their software to contribute back to the public.
But what about *their* code?
If they improved the PD code, by all means release it to the public, that is
what Apple did with BSD.
But why should they be forced to release *their* code?
> As contributing back
> in form of sources is within the GPL model which seems to work fine in
> that respect, I cannot see any reason not to GPLize publicly funded
> code.
But the GPL is much more than just give the source that you changed back.
> Executive summary: GPLize publicly funded code until a license pops up
> that performs better in terms of public benefit.
Okay, let me try and give an example.
The goverment fund a new FS (I'm getting tired of protocols examples).
And release it under the GPL.
Apple want to use it, so it takes the code, port it to Mac OSX, and put it
there.
Then the FSF comes and says, "Hi, this is code is being called by the kernel
and the I/O layers, so you must GPL the kernel"
So Apple GPL the kernel and all the I/O layers.
Then the FSF comes are says, "Hi, this code makes calls to the kernel, and
*this* one makes calls to the I/O layer."
And they keep doing it until only GPL code remain in Mac OS X.
(There might be some things that are wrong here, but I'm making an *example*
here, not delving on technicalities.)
You see the problem here?
Because of the propogating effects of the GPL, Apple wouldn't be able to use
it, depriving its users from that better FS.
If it was released under a free-er license, they would be able to use it.
As a side point, does anyone know of a license that says that "if you use my
code, you must release the changes to my code back, but can do whatever you
want to do with you code" ?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.arch,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: The beginning of the end for microsoft
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 05:52:59 +0200
"Toon Moene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Peter da Silva wrote:
>
> [ Microsoft support line ... ]
>
> > I'd already used up my free calls. I managed to get them to call me back
with
> > an actual competant tech by escalating the problem up a few levels...
but by
> > then it was a week later and I'd already solved the problem by asking
Usenet.
>
> You mean you can get help on Microsoft Windows (NT) problems on Usenet
> as well ?
Naturally, usually fast and accurate, too.
Watch out for those MVP, too.
> Doh ! Wonder what the advantage of Linux is, then :-)
>
I think that advantage of Linux is that you get to widen the horizon of the
language.
Asking a question in a Linux forum has a 50/50 chance to get you flamed to
death.
It very rarely happen on Windows forums.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:04:31 +0200
"daniel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> It seems clear to me that this is going on at Microsoft to a major
> degree with respect to 1) interoperability with other platforms, and
> 2) with respect to the open protocols and standards which enable
> technology to progress and develop around the world.
.Net
> Apparently some parties at the company believe that it helps their
> company to severly limit their products' capacity to interoperate with
> other platforms, such as with Linux. As simple example of this is the
> fact that from a Windows machine you cannot access an ext2 filesystem
> without a 3rd party application like Explore2fs, while with Linux most
> stock kernels are compiled out of the box with FAT and VFAT support
> and go so far as to set up an fstab entry to automatically mount a FAT
> or VFAT filesystem each time the system runs.
How many of MS' users need ext2 support?
No, how man Linux's users need ext2 support?
In precentage, please.
> Let us look at another thing: the DOS shell. The DOS shell is
> basically a nearly useless joke. Why not implement a real shell
> environment such as BASH? But I wonder if the people who set policy
> at Microsoft even have the capability to see how the BASH shell is
> such an important part of Linux and why it is so popular. Having a
> full, feature-rich shell environment which underlies the gui and which
> provides full-functionality in every respect such that the gui becomes
> almost secondary (in many instances it is truly secondary) means that
> the core of the OS is solid and robust.
Use CMD, not COMMAND.COM, much better.
But you've to realize that Windows is GUI orineted, not CLI oriented.
Beside, you can take Bash if you really want it.
> If I were the president of Microsoft
Ah, we can all dream, now can't we?
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Monolithic arch's SMP, and licenses... we're all over the place today!
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:06:48 +0200
"Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:PUvS6.1026$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I'm curious as to what kind of thread support Be put
> into their BeOS's C/C++ framework. People seem to
> be able to write multi-threaded apps under Be quite
> nicely, and BeOS uses the GNU compiler.
One of the problems with threads is syncornization.
Which can cause hard to debug situations.
How does Be handle this?
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From: flatfish+++ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LINUX PRINTING SUCKS!!!!!!!!
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:17:16 GMT
On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 02:19:39 GMT, somebody <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>kosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> stands accused of saying:
>
>> I prefer to pay more and get a
>>nice postscript device and all of these problems go away.
>
>...hmm, but what about all that stuff about lower TCO w/ Linux?
It's lost amongst the endless hours trying to make Linux work and you
can multiply that by 10 fold if you are trying to integrate a Linux
box into a Windows environment.
flatfish+++
"Why do they call it a flatfish?"
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: UI Importance
Date: 3 Jun 2001 22:18:04 -0500
"Nico Coetzee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$51
> >
> > A good article about why people think so highly about UI.
> > It's a good approach, I believe.
> >
> > Any comments?
>
> Consistency is important. In X, most things are consistent (resizing,
> minimize, hide etc.) BUT the key bindings differ (take GNOME vs KDE).
> Even M$ Windows is not consistent with everything. Take some differences
> between O2K and O97:
>
> 1) To change the view to page layout, you clicked View > Page Layout
> (O97), but in O2k this changed to View > Print Layout. The difference
> didn't even occur to me, but I found many "normal" users have trouble
> understanding the logic. They were used to the O97 naming, and they
> can't understand why it's different in O2k.
>
> 2) Clip-Art gallery - Major changes ! The O97 version showed everything
> on one dialog box, and it was straight forward. Even the buttons had
> words from the start. O2k has an IE kind of interface, no text on the
> buttons and the dialog does not disappear after you inserted an image -
> making many old O97 users think they did something wrong. MEGA
> FRUSTRATIONS...
>
> 3) Help system - I take as an example getting a list of shortcut keys.
> Getting what you want takes about two to three mouse clicks more in O2k!
> I thought developers should always try and minimize the amount of mouse
> clicks, not increase it - after all, this is one of the arguments that
> makes the command line faster, because you can type certain commands
> faster then clicking through a maze of options.
Are you suggesting that, no matter if it sucks or not, once a UI is created
it should forever be locked that way so that idiot users can't get confused
when something changes or moves slightly?
>
> Other interesting UI facts: Copying a file in a CUI vs GUI:
>
> CUI:
>
> Assuming you are working in a command line UI, you just need one step:
>
> 1.) # cmd [options] file(s) destination
>
> example:
>
> # cp *jpg /mnt/floppy
>
> GUI:
>
> Using M$ Windows as example, there are several steps:
You left off the fact that you can still just type "copy *.jpg a:" in the
Run... box or at a command prompt, if you feel like it.
I thought a good OS was one that offered a choice?
>
> 1.) Launch Windows Explorer ( Start > Programs > Windows Explorer )
Or just double click on My Computer on your desktop or the little my
computer shortcut you probably have in your quick launch tray or even better
(see below)
> 2.) Nav through the file system to get to the files (one to several
> clicks - assuming "c:\my documents\my pictures", it will take at least
> twp clicks - first expand the directory "My Documents", then click on
> "My Pictures"
Or just double click on the My Documents shortcut already on your desktop or
any of any number of shortcuts already on your desktop cause you figured
you'd want them conviently nearby so you put them there.
> 3.) Select files. This can also be anything from one click to several
> clicks. Selecting all JPG files involves in first arranging icons by
> type (View > Arrange Icons > by Type - one click), then select all the
> JPG files by dragging (count as one click). Total in this example is two
> clicks.
You COULD do that or you could just click on the "Type" column heading and
they'll all sort up nice and neat for you.
> 4.) Right click on selected files (one click)
> 5.) Select Send To > Floppy from menu (One click)
or drag them with a single click to your floppy drive in the same window
that's already open (explorer view).
>
> Total Clicks: 7 or more clicks.
I can do that in much less BUT you also have to consider something else:
Lets say you have a set of JPG and BMP files in a particular directory. This
directory is called:
/usr/files/project/x_34LB/evenlongerthanthepreviousname/causeIcan
And you don't want all of them, you only want, oh, this one and that one and
perhaps that other one over there and then you also need this .exe file as
well as a couple of quick TXT files you forgot about and none of them start
or end with the same letters or even contain ANY common letter groups within
them. OH, and many of these files have MiXeD case file names too.
Now, funny man, how quickly can you do that at the CLI? And with how many
errors?
How long did it take you to get to that directory? Did you type it right and
get the case correct too?
So, you got there with some directory completion key help eh? Now - start
selecting file names. No * is gonna help this time, even ? is going to be of
limited use. Meanwhile, I'm just holding down the Ctrl key as I click and
choose as I need to, unclicking them if I make a mistake without any regard
for case... and then just drag the entire batch to my destination icon...
So - which is more likely day to day? The ever so convient example of
copying a *.ext set of files from the directory you happen to be logged into
or having to copy dissimilar files from a directory you are not in??? I know
the later is much more likely to me
>
> Add to that waiting period for Windows Explorer to launch
wating period? <1 second?
> and you have
> just taken quit a bit longer to do something in a GUI. Also, in Windows
> the copying process must finish before you can continue work in Windows
> Explorer, where as in *nix you can continue work while the copying is
> done in the background. I personally find this the biggest irritation
> when I work on M$ platforms.
Then I suggest you stop taking drugs, sniffing glue is hazardous cause I do
not know of any version of Windows that made you wait for a copy to finish
before continuing. what a joke.
>
> LASTLY, I think the M$ GUI problems is not bound to M$ allone - Linux,
> MAC and other GUI systems (or systems that can use GUI's) will have
> similar problems. I think it's time we rethink this whole thing. Yes,
> there are instances where I like a GUI, for example Graphic Design. But
> for many applications, the command line will remain KING.
yes, in the basements of script kiddies everywhere...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:22:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jan Johanson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 12 May 2001 19:56:04 -0500
<3afddb15$1$82822$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > ahha
>> > ahhahhaha
>> >
>> > oh my god - that was sooo funny!!!
>> >
>> > ahhahahahahhhhahhhaaaa
>> So you don't mind paying thousands of dollars for electicity bills
>> relating to keeping a room cool (via air conditioning)? Maybe you
>> should start sharing that money tree with everyone.
>
>Hmmm
>Cost to cool room with 8 processor server: $2000 a year
>Cost to cool room with 12 processor server: $2010 a year
>Cost to embaress Matt on usenet again: priceless!
I for one wish I had a little more data, but I might be able to
at least try to throw some light on the issue here. Of course,
that light will generate heat... :-)
Assume for the nonce that a processor throws out the same heat as
a standard PC -- this is admittedly quite an assumption, for this
is highly dependent on processor speed and technology. This heat
might be about 300 watts, all told -- or it might be more, as 300W
is *after* the switching power supply has digested it; it might
be twice that, for all I know, or more, the extra going straight
out the rear.
Assume a desired room temperature of 68 degrees (20 C, 293 K)
and an outside temperature of 86 degrees (30 C, 303 K).
This means that the Carnot engine -- assuming that a standard
air conditioner even comes close -- will require 303 kwH of
power for every 293 kwH pumped out. Because kwH is energy,
and heat is energy, one can convert between the two more or
less freely. And then there's the issue of insulation; I don't
know how to compute the heat flow through, say, R19 insulation,
given the square footage of outside wall. This is also a factor;
that heat has to be removed, too. Ideally this insulation would be
as thick as one can get it.
Assume that electricity costs 15 cents per kwH. Therefore, the total cost
for running the 8-processor machine will be 2.4 * 24 * .15 = $8.64.
The total cost of cooling it will require 10 more watts an hour:
.01 * 24 * .15 = $0.03.
With luck, though, it's far more than that; a 1 HP motor is
going to generate about 776 watts or so, and some inefficiencies
will ensue because of the noise of the compressor, and the fans
blowing the air around. I also doubt the classical air conditioner
(compress, release heat to outside, expand, suck up heat from room)
is a perfect Carnot engine, although I wonder.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 04 Jun 2001 03:28:45 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:12:35 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's not my fault it doesn't even have any facilities for setting up
> printers. Linux will never catch up with Windows at this rate. All you
> have to do in Windows is open Control Panel and give it the drivers
> disk. On Linux, you....... what? Nothing there for installing
> printers. Or soundcards. And everytime you download something, you
> have to download about 300 dependencies, all of which depend on
> another 600 packages and so on... And dpkg doesn't even tell you which
> packages you need, it just spews out countless pages of shite.
I have to admit, I don't find Debian dpkg over friendly, and during my last
attempted Debian install I just couldnt install a mouse under X windows.
It wasn't me, there is only 2 serial ports on this pc, and both Redhat
and Mandrake work fine. I think something was wrong with the CD I got
Debian on, as past Debian installs have worked no problem.
Linux can be hard in certain areas DrSquare, and printers can be a bummer!
When I was installing networks, printers were a problem *full stop!*.
Why not try Mandrake or Redhat, as Debian is not a newbie disto in my
opinion. What brand/model is your printer?
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Kind Regards
Terry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: W2K/IIS proves itself over Linux/Tux
Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2001 03:31:55 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, GreyCloud
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Thu, 17 May 2001 17:46:26 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Matthew Gardiner wrote:
>>
>> > It seems that Cal. isn't the only state having troubles with black outs.
>> > We're starting to see some server farms drop off the net for a while
>> > because the server farms aren't being told a rolling black out is
>> > coming.
>> >
>> > --
>> > V
>>
>> Why not build more power plants? New Zealand is already building
>> two more power plants to handle the ever increasing demand.
>> 70-80% of power is from hydro, and the rest is from Geothermal,
>> Coal, and Gas fired plants. Up at the garbage dump there is
>> a small power plant running off the methane produced from the
>> rubbish dump, so, maybe California should setup one of those
>> outside Microsoft to capture all the crap that they produced.
>>
>> Matthew Gardiner
>
>Power Plants?? We can't because all the environmentalists won't allow
>it. They don't like logging either. Sure hope they don't miss their
>toilet paper.
Would hand-pumped bidets work? :-)
>
>--
>V
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 04 Jun 2001 03:34:19 GMT
On Mon, 04 Jun 2001 01:30:01 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> I've read the man pages and various howto's all the way through, and
> still there is no easy way of installing packages.
Redhats RPM is not so hard, for most things, though I nearly always
compile the *.tar.gz apps I get, and I find this the easiest and most
reliable way for me.
Get the tar.gzand have a read of the "INSTALL" file, follow it
as see how you go ?
> Compare that to
> Windows' simple setup.exe type install, no dependencies, nothing, it
Sure it seems simple, and in many ways it is, until things go wrong!
> just installs, and you don't even have to be root.
Thats because under Windows, *everyone* has root status, including your
3 year old nephew whos just deleted all your files! ;-)
Easy ways to be root under Linux include using the "sudo" package or
just typing 'su" and the root password in a Xterm, installing the
package (I install in /usr/local/src/) then killing that xterm.
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Terry
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just when Linux starts getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:12:50 +0200
"Bryan C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> First off, what if that word document is open and the machine crashes
> or is shutdown while another user is using the system? If on reboot,
> everything is fine than I suspect a list of some sort is saved.
That depend on the word proccessor that you are using.
On Word, you'll have the auto-save thing, that will let you decide if to
revert to the last saved version, or use the most recent one.
If you try to shutdown a machine with logged on users, you get a warning,
BTW.
And I've not seen XP crash.
> Second, all those programs open seems like alot to ask of any MS OS on
> a typical PC. I wonder what kind of hardware requirements are
> necessary to successfully support this feature if nothing is being
> saved to non-volatile memory as you suggest.
ISTR that it's about ~30MB per new user, but I can't verify it right now.
> Third, can all five users USE the XP box simultaneously via remote
> connection?
There is no technical problem with this, there might be licensing problem,
though.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <don'[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Microsoft's CEO should do
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2001 06:19:35 +0200
"pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> pip wrote:
> > M$ is not one "evil" company, but MANY separate divisions with their own
> > internal battles and politics. Some are better than others. Many times
> > they probably break protocols, not because it is some "evil" plan but
> > because it makes is easier for them to implement and because they CAN.
>
> example : http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$8
I read several of his articles, he does present a pretty nice picture of how
MS treat its employees.
He also has good tips in various subjects, too.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 04 Jun 2001 03:35:15 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:12:39 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 18:03:11 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "drsquare"
>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>>>You're a new poster to COLA, Drsquare, why not just get a news
>>>>>
>>>>> New poster? I've been posting here for years.
>>>>I have NEVER seen you before the last few weeks. You must either post
>>>>very infrequently, or you have changed your name ?
>>>
>>> I have changed my name.
>>
>>Are you rotten186?
>
> Nope.
So don't keep us guessing please :)
Who were you ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 04 Jun 2001 03:37:09 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 14:54:53 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03 Jun 2001 02:35:48 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)) wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 01:36:51 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>>>Why, you're nothing more than an a goatish, idle-headed fustilarian!
>>>
>>> I'll just take your word on what that means.
>>Hahahahah, me to!
>>
>>Dr Square why not just pass over posts you don't like,
>>or learn to use the Agent killfile, it'l lower your
>>blood pressure tremendously :)
>
> I probably could if I had a better newsreader, but downloading one
> would cut into my bandwidth which I prefer to save for porn.
Well I can understand that!
>
>>Plus Ed is a knowledgable guy, I think its silly
>>to piss him off.
>>
>>Up to you tho, usenet is still a free medium.
>
> Which is one of its major faults. There should be some way that I can
> moderate this newsgroup.
Hahaah, why not reconcile the Ruskies and the Red Chinese while you're
at it ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Linux beats Win2K (again)
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 04 Jun 2001 03:39:13 GMT
On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 19:12:38 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jun 2001 18:02:31 +0100, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> ("Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
>>>>Plus Ed is a knowledgable guy, I think its silly to piss him off.
>>>>
>>>>Up to you tho, usenet is still a free medium.
>>>
>>> Which is one of its major faults. There should be some way that I can
>>> moderate this newsgroup.
>
>>Well, feel free to create a comp.os.linux.advocacy.moderated group, but
>>with opiniois such as yours, don't expect anyone to read it if you're
>>doing the moderating.
>
> I'm after moderating this newsgroup.
Thats as silly as rules in a knife fight!
>
>>Besides, why should you have more of a right than anyone else to moderate
>>the group?
>
> Shut up fool, or I'll moderate out all your posts when I become
> moderator.
Ed isn't a fool, DrSquare.
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