Linux-Advocacy Digest #946, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 20:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Here's a load of horse crap ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Craig Oshima")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:29:53 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > "." wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >>
> >> >> > 8<SNIP>8
> >> >>
> >> >> > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> >> >> > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> >> >> > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> >> >> > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> >> >> > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> >> >> > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> >> >>
> >> >> Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person.
>Substitute
> >> >> "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> >> >> apart.
> >>
> >> > Wrong.
> >>
> >> You appear to be the only one who thinks so, again, just like chad.
> >>
> >> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> With a few things yes, just like chad. But but your paranoid political
>philosophies
> >> are IDENTICAL to chads.
> >>
> >> > I have the university
> >> > education
> >>
> >> So does chad, and so do I.
> >>
> >> > AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> >> > I'm talking about.
> >>
> >> Chad says he does too.
> >>
> >> > Chad, on the other hand, spews Microsoft propaganda.
> >>
> >> You spout the same paranoid conspiracy theorist crap.
> >>
> >> > I wonder how much they pay him each month to post his propaganda.
> >>
> >> Ah, theres that paranoia again.
> >>
> >> > And yes, Microsoft DOES pay people to post on this and other newsgroups.
> >>
> >> Alright kulkis, ive asked you before and youve patently refused, but how bout
> >> some absolute evidence of this statement?
> >>
>
> > You forget the discovery of the "astroturfing" campaign so quickly?
>
> > For those who don't get it...that was Microsoft's decision to start
> > financing a campaign of paid correspondance to *LOOK LIKE* "grassroots"
> > support.
>
> > fake grass => astroturf.
>
> Right, I remember that, but I also dont remember seeing ANY kind of evidence
> that there were ever microsoft plants in COLA. I'm not saying that it hasnt
Got alzheimer's?
> happened (or that it isnt happening), but before you swear up and down that
> its the truth, it would be very helpful if you pointed out some sources containing
> hard evidence.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:34:08 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Craig Oshima wrote:
> > > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yes, the x-windows based gui's that were available in 1988 were
> > > > fairly primative...however, by the early 1990's, they were VERY
> > > > much more sophisticated.
> > > >
> > > > Such as multiple desktops (still not implemented in Windows),
> implemented
> > > in
> > > > the CDE GUI in the early 1990's, and is standard in ALL modern Unix
> GUI's.
> > >
> > > Do you have real evidence that this is an important feature?
> >
> > Do you have any real evidence that convenience and productivity are
> > *NOT* important features?
>
> You're implying that multiple desktops naturally results in convenience and
> productivity. That is what I'm disputing. Can multiple desktops be used in
Ever try keeping three seperate projects going at the same time, with
EACH of those projects requiring several windows open on the desktop
simultaneously?
> ways that increase convenience and productivity? Sure. I don't doubt that
See above.
> you make great use of them. Are multiple desktops *required* for
> convenience and productivity? No. I would trade a thousand desktops for an
> application developed by someone who cared enough about my needs that they
> bothered to actually design for my needs, rather than simply assume that
> they knew what was best for me.
Good god...the reason multiple desktops are so popular on Unix is BECAUSE
they are convenient and productive, you shit-for-brains retard.
You're implying that automobiles naturally results in convenience and
productivity. Are automobiles REQUIRED for convenience and productivity?
No. I would trade a thousand automobiles for one bus driver that
cares about my needs that they actually bother to get up and drive
their route according to schedule, rathter than simply assume that
they know what is best for me.
>
> > Go to ANY business which uses Unix, and tell the users that you're
> > going to replace their current GUI with one that doesn't support
> > multiple desktops, and see what the reaction is.
>
> The reaction would of course be negative, and rightly so, because like any
> feature, users have gotten used to it. But I'm not saying that the feature
> should be removed, just that it's not critical for an effective user
> interface. You implied that Windows has a bad user interface, partly because
> it doesn't support multiple desktops, and that's baloney.
>
> > Yeah, I've tried several on Windows...and they all sucked because Windows
> > is so freaking SLOW.
>
> Well, it performed well enough for me back then, and it performs just fine
> for me now.
>
> > That's because you've never used it on a system that was truly capable
> > of handling it.
>
> I find it interesting you can assert that so confidently. Okay, in the late
> 80s, I did not have a Sun workstation on my desk...it's true. I had a
> miserable 286, which of course, was not capable of handling much. Today, my
> systems are not exactly shabby...PIII 700MHz, 256MB, 60GB and a
> dual-processor G4 PowerMac. I think they can handle multiple desktops, but
> you know what? I still don't miss them.
>
> > You're like the guy who doesn't understand what the big deal is about
> > the wheel and axle....because the wagon he had was manufactured with
> > square wheels, and didn't seem to change a thing.
>
> Uh, okay. I'll pass on the opportunity to devolve into pointless insults.
>
> > >
> > > > Need I go on...
> > >
> > > Please do. And include some justification for your claim that Unix GUIs
> > > have shallower learning curves than Windows or Macintosh. You throw
> this
> > > "fact" around like it's common knowledge, but I doubt you have any
> reliable
> > > data to that effect.
> >
> > The Unix GUIs are more internally consistant. Every time you have an
> > inconsistancy, that's another "special case" that the user has to learn
> > and remember. More things to learn and remember => steeper learning
> curve.
> >
> > QED the Windows GUI is more difficult to learn than Unix GUIs.
>
> Well, your rule is sound ("more things to learn and remember => steeper
> learning curve"). Your conclusion is not, because I guarantee you that
> there is a lot more to learn and remember with Unix than with Windows. I'm
> not exactly sure why you claim that Unix GUIs are more self-consistent (can
> you provide some examples?), but there's a lot more to usability than
> consistency. (And consistency itself can be applied along several
> dimensions...when it comes to usability, the most important kind of
> consistency is being consistent *with user expectations*, which are often
> logically inconsistent themselves.)
>
> > I suggest attending a world-class university.
>
> Thanks, but I finished graduate school ten years ago, and while I'd love to
> go back to those fun days, my wife (a Linux engineer, BTW) would probably
> not approve. Instead, I suggest you try attending this thing we call the
> real world now and then. Maybe you'll learn that everyone's not, in fact,
> like you, and that it's okay to not be such a jerk.
>
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Here's a load of horse crap
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:37:49 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:19:08 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote
> >> on Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:08:43 -0500
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> >"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/default.asp
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh, the demands of being a big corporation's Visionary In Chief.
> >> >>
> >> >> Wanna bet he takes a cue from LRHubbard and starts a "religion" before
> >> >> he dies?
> >> >
> >> >You mean he hasn't already?
> >> >
> >> >Notice how the tactics of Microsoft and those of a certain
> >> >national socialist party in Germany are....similar.
> >>
> >> I might have suggested a certain religion Whose Name Shall Not Be
> >> Mentioned Under Penalty Of Trademark Infringment or Something (but
> >> contains elements of the words "science" and "technology", has its
> >> own newsgroup, and uses a device that's far larger, heavier, and
> >> less mobile than a bread box to perform certain types of measurements
> >
> >What device is that?
>
> My understanding is that it is (was?) called an "E-meter", and is a large,
> impressive piece of junk to con the prospectives. However, I don't
> know the details; I'll refer you to _Fads and Fallacies In The Name
> of Science_ (Martin Gardner, 1950's), as that is where I first learned
> the term.
>
Ah, yes, I remember that.
The O-meter, to measure your "Orgone energy"...
(Any similarity between Orgone and Orgasm is entirely intentional
on the part of L.Ron Hubbard)
My understanding is that somebody actually got a peek inside this
thing and it was just a tangled maze of descrete electrical
components with no rhyme or reason...other than making the lights
on the control panel flash.
> (It is also possible that it's been replaced by something more
> sophisticated-looking, such as a digital oscilloscope.
> Who knows? I don't.)
>
> >
> >
> >> on one's purity from eeeeeeeeeevil thingies or something).
> >>
> >> Unlike 1936, though, nothing's burning. :-)
> >>
> >> [.sigsnip]
> >>
> >> --
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- or was that '37 or '38?
> >> EAC code #191 43d:09h:18m actually running Linux.
> >> This space for rent.
> >
> >
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> EAC code #191 43d:18h:36m actually running Linux.
> Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:35:15 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> They handled it just fine in the late 1980's.
> >>
> >> Are you saying secretaries are stupider these days?
>
> > I'll say it.
>
> > In fact, most people in general are stupider these days. Consider the
> > simplicity of the SAT tests, and then consider the fact that they had to
> > rescale the scores around '95 because too many people couldn't get half of
> > it right.
>
> Whoa, what would the modern day equivalent to 1988 1350's be?
>
1450.
> -----.
>
> --
> "The city's all wrapped up in plastic like an electronic cocoon;
> if you lay in the street you can hear it humming"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:35:19 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> > They handled it just fine in the late 1980's.
> >
> > Are you saying secretaries are stupider these days?
>
> I'll say it.
>
> In fact, most people in general are stupider these days. Consider the
> simplicity of the SAT tests, and then consider the fact that they had to
> rescale the scores around '95 because too many people couldn't get half of
> it right.
>
> The world must be at least 80% dumbass.
And encouraging the survival of dumbasses is beneficial how, exactly?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 00:37:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 17 Mar 2001 21:30:43 GMT
<7IQs6.4535$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Mig wrote:
>
>> Pete's conclusion that Knode crashes-> KDE 2.1 unstable->Linux Unstable is
>> laughable.
>
>Your statement makes me laugh. Since every single edit control eventually
>made all KDE applications crash, that tells me KDE 2.1 is unstable.
>
>Now I just tried to use drag and drop to copy a directory - the whole
>desktop vanished. No icons, nada, zip, just the background. I killed it and
>got back to a CLI prompt and did the copy by CLI.
Looks like a dead window manager. Your machine's got problems.
Of course, you probably knew that already.
Try doing the following:
(shut down X)
$ cd ~
$ vi .Xclients
(or whatever your favorite editor is)
exec xterm -geometry 80x24-0-0
$ chmod +x .Xclients
$ startx
(the -geometry string merely puts the xterm at the bottom right corner)
Now you should have an X session without any window manager whatsoever,
and with one xterm in the lower right hand corner. This may look silly,
but you can now type in kfwm (which is a different window manager) or twm,
and get a completely different look and feel.
Or you can call kfwm or other utilities (oclock, xeyes, etc) from within
.Xclients directly. The only requirement is that, if .Xclients terminates,
so does your X session.
>
>--
>Pete
>Running on SuSE 7.1
>All your fly zone are belong to us
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 43d:19h:17m actually running Linux.
No electrons were harmed during this message.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:39:31 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> > > In fact, most people in general are stupider these days. Consider the
> > > simplicity of the SAT tests, and then consider the fact that they had to
> > > rescale the scores around '95 because too many people couldn't get half
> of
> > > it right.
> >
> > Whoa, what would the modern day equivalent to 1988 1350's be?
>
> (I feel like I'm talking to myself... ;)
>
> Sorry, I don't know the specifics (not an American, ), I just had a nice big
> SAT book to read with sample tests, and it mentioned the rescaling.
>
> When I took the test in 1995, I got in the 99th percentile for both math and
> english, and I finished each section in about half the alotted time. That
that's why you are in the 99th percentile.
> test is a joke... I'd have very little faith in a college if they accepted
For those in the 70th percentile, it's quite challenging.
> anyone with less than 1400.
Very good.
>
> And I thought the education system in NZ was bad...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
Reply-To: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:34:56 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> Craig Oshima wrote:
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > Most users (including hackers) do not use hundreds of other
programs. A
> > > > dozen is probably more than most people ever use. However, the fact
> > that
> > > > the average cost of any given commercial application is 100 USD or
more
> > is a
> > > > good reason to cheer on Linux.
> > >
> > > Regardless...
> > >
> > > A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
> > > the installation disk.
> > >
> > > For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
> > > to a DAY.
> >
> > I sure don't know where you get your information...it doesn't take more
than
> > an hour for me to do a clean install of W2K and Office.
>
> And all of your other software is .... where.....exactly?
>
> DOH!
For normal users, that's probably more than they need. It certainly at
least meets what I would call "basic functionality." I grant that it's
another hour or so for me to continue adding development tools, MSDN,
various Adobe applications and some miscellaneous utilities. I don't
imagine you're happy with just the basic Linux install?
--
Craig Oshima
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:41:36 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
<snip happens>
>
> > The most popular Unix GUI's are also EASIER to use than the Windows GUI's.
>
> Pphhh. When you've seen users struggle to get through the things you think
> are easy, your attitude will be informed by more than your arrogant
> opinions.
>
That must be why Windows users spend so much time on the phone with
the helpdesk people trying to figure out the most basic tasks.
Behold..."intuitiveness"
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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