Linux-Advocacy Digest #30, Volume #30 Sat, 4 Nov 00 01:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (sfcybear)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Marty)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:24:16 -0500
Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:SGLM5.121746$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > But if someone double-clicks it instead of starting the other app to
> > > access it you are still fried.
> >
> > True of any email attachment in any operating system.
>
> Not quite true. What double clicking an attachment in outlook does is hand
> it off to the shell for handling (after the obligatory "this could be a bad
> idea" dialog box) by whatever application has registered as the handler for
> its filetype. Not all mailers do this, and not all shells have a direct
> equivalent to a filetype being mapped to a "handler" - thus the "not quite
> true" above.
>
> The equivalent exercise under most *nix mailers would be to manually pipe
> the attachment to its "handler", in which case the results of something like
> a script to delete a whole bunch of files (a la "ILOVEYOU") would be pretty
> much identical.
>
> I'd imagine some GUI mailers under *nix do much the same thing Outlook
> does - hands the attachment off to whatever handler is registered for that
> filetype. I wouldn't know - I use pine.
>
> The quickest and easiest way for a sysadmin to neuter VBScript "viruses" is
> to just set the default handler for a .vbs file to notepad (or some other
> editor) and distribute the setting as a .reg file. Of course, your users
> that normally run a lot of .vbs files by just double clicking on them might
> get a tad annoyed.
And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
and no other.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:26:45 -0500
gm wrote:
>
> On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:58:29 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >gm wrote:
>
> >> Not really. Nor is it surprising, but I think it has little to do with
> >> Windows and much more to do with individuals. It could have
> >> happened anywhere, as long as you have users who are willing
> >> to run untested executables that (unknowingly) contain trojan code.
> >
> >But when the e-mail comes from one's supervisor, the tendancy is
> >to trust it.
>
> That's a social engineering issue, not a shortcoming of the OS.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh reallly. So, what you're saying is that Window's
so-called 'intuitive'-ness is actually a BAD THING.
GAME
SET
MATCH
YOU LOOOOOOOOSE!
>
> >besides, it really doesn't matter if you open up the virus-laden
> >excel macro inside your e-mail or if you save it first and then
> >load it up...you're STILL fucking screwed, because Losedows STILL
> >doesn't have proper filesystem protection via permission bits or
> >any other similar scheme.
>
> Sure it does --- it's called NTFS. I'm sure you've heard of it.
Why would I bother with such childish toys?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:28:01 -0500
Sam Morris wrote:
>
> > But when the e-mail comes from one's supervisor, the tendancy is
> > to trust it.
>
> And this is the fault of the OS how?
The entire Microsoft paradigm is nothing more than a gilded-brick
road to hell
>
> > besides, it really doesn't matter if you open up the virus-laden
> > excel macro inside your e-mail or if you save it first and then
> > load it up...you're STILL fucking screwed, because Losedows STILL
> > doesn't have proper filesystem protection via permission bits or
> > any other similar scheme.
>
> So have you not heard of NTFS, or are you just deliberately ignoring its
> existence?
NTFS is a childish toy.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Sam
>
> _o/
> >\
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:32:15 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Q_IM5.12930$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:H1DM5.121603$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > *** Note "We can make the changes the vendors would not make".
> > Translation:
> > > The other vendors leave holes in their software.
> > > Like many readers of the BUGTRAQ mailing list, we believe in full
> > disclosure
> > > of security problems. In the operating system arena, we were probably
> the
> > > first to embrace the concept. Many vendors, even of free software, still
> > try
> > > to hide issues from their users.
> > >
> > > ** The "even of free software" is a clear attack on Linux. Which
> security
> > > problems are they saying Linux is hiding from users?
> >
> > Note the qualifier "even". "Even of free software," meaning that it
> should
> > be surprising, and considered a rarity, that vendors of free software
> would
> > resort to such things.
>
> No. What they are saying is that free software (Linux) hide issues from
> their users all the time.
>
> Anyone who reads the security advisories knows that Linux distros are
> unsecure and open by default.
Oh, really?
Actually, AT INSTALLATION you are forced to pick between
"unsecure"
"moderately secure"
and
"paranoid"
> They are the favorite hacking ground of script
> kiddies and hackers.
Really. Then how come all of the problems keep showing up on NT
machines, not *nix machines?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:33:28 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:2_JM5.12879$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:H1DM5.121603$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > http://www.openbsd.org/security.html
> > >
> > > Quotes: (my comments start with **)
> > >
> > > OpenBSD believes in strong security. Our aspiration is to be NUMBER ONE
> in
> > > the industry for security (if we are not already there). Our open
> software
> > > development model permits us to take a more uncompromising view towards
> > > increased security than Sun, SGI, IBM, HP, or other vendors are able to.
> > We
> > > can make changes the vendors would not make. Also, since OpenBSD is
> > exported
> > > with cryptography, we are able to take cryptographic approaches towards
> > > fixing security problems.
> > >
> > > *** Note "We can make the changes the vendors would not make".
> > Translation:
> > > The other vendors leave holes in their software.
> > > Like many readers of the BUGTRAQ mailing list, we believe in full
> > disclosure
> > > of security problems. In the operating system arena, we were probably
> the
> > > first to embrace the concept. Many vendors, even of free software, still
> > try
> > > to hide issues from their users.
> > >
> > > ** The "even of free software" is a clear attack on Linux. Which
> security
> > > problems are they saying Linux is hiding from users?
> >
> > Errr, by 'even' they mean it is rare in free software as opposed to being
> > rampant and expected among commercial vendors.
>
> Nope. When they say "Many vendors, even of free software" it clearly means
"free Windows software"
Hope that helps, MORON.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:33:55 GMT
In article <OFMM5.6219$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Terry Porter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Actually, Ayende is mistaken. Windows 3.1 had a registry. It
wasn't
> > >> used for very much, and didn't work precisely like the Win95/NT
> > >> registry, but it was there.
> > >
> > >It had? I wasn't aware of it.
> > >Anyway, it doesn't matter, most programs didn't use it.
> > >INI files where the way it went.
> > >And it went *badly*
>
> The registry in Windows 3.1 was used primarily for COM/OLE. It was
limited
> to 64K.
>
> > Oh I dunno, at *least* one could alter the .ini files without
rendering
> the
> > OS unbootable (usually) :)
> >
> > I know cause I had to alter many of them when ugrading Win3.1 hard
disks
> > for approx 30 users back in 1990.
>
> Wow, that's amazing, since the Registry did not apear until Windows
3.1,
> which came out in 1992.
>
Yeah, Like you using IPchains before it was out!
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
------------------------------
From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:39:16 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:SGLM5.121746$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > But if someone double-clicks it instead of starting the other app to
> > > > access it you are still fried.
> > >
> > > True of any email attachment in any operating system.
> >
> > Not quite true. What double clicking an attachment in outlook does is hand
> > it off to the shell for handling (after the obligatory "this could be a bad
> > idea" dialog box) by whatever application has registered as the handler for
> > its filetype. Not all mailers do this, and not all shells have a direct
> > equivalent to a filetype being mapped to a "handler" - thus the "not quite
> > true" above.
> >
> > The equivalent exercise under most *nix mailers would be to manually pipe
> > the attachment to its "handler", in which case the results of something like
> > a script to delete a whole bunch of files (a la "ILOVEYOU") would be pretty
> > much identical.
> >
> > I'd imagine some GUI mailers under *nix do much the same thing Outlook
> > does - hands the attachment off to whatever handler is registered for that
> > filetype. I wouldn't know - I use pine.
> >
> > The quickest and easiest way for a sysadmin to neuter VBScript "viruses" is
> > to just set the default handler for a .vbs file to notepad (or some other
> > editor) and distribute the setting as a .reg file. Of course, your users
> > that normally run a lot of .vbs files by just double clicking on them might
> > get a tad annoyed.
>
> And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> and no other.
This is an area where the flexibility of OS/2 particularly shines. You can
have several different programs associated with the file type and select among
them by right-clicking the object in question. You can make the default
something safe, like a Notepad type of app. For objects that you know are
safe, you can change just their defaults to use a different app and this
information is stored in the extended attributes of that particular file.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:41:08 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:QXpM5.12759$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:WimM5.120952$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > >
> > > The OpenBSD people claim they are usually 6 months ahead of Linux/Unix
> in
> > > fixing exploits.
> > >
> > > Go ahead and sleep through those 6 months of "open" vulnerabilities.
> >
> > Why don't you ask them how many years they are ahead of anything
> > from Microsoft?
>
> What percentage of the market does the secure open source project (OpenBSD)
> hold compared to the insecure one (Linux) ?
And this is your argument that closed-source Microsoft code is more secure?
Bzzzzzzzzzzzt! Wrong
GAME
SET
MATCH
YOU LOSE!
>
> And why do so many open source programs have holes in them?
So do Micro-shit programs...of course, exactly what those holes
are is merely a matter of discovery...
>
> Why do script kiddies prefer Linux to break into and install DDOS tools?
Why do script kiddies prefer to shut down NT machines.
>
> Because Linux is an open door by default!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 21:45:27 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:SGLM5.121746$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > But if someone double-clicks it instead of starting the other app
to
> > > > access it you are still fried.
> > >
> > > True of any email attachment in any operating system.
> >
> > Not quite true. What double clicking an attachment in outlook does is
hand
> > it off to the shell for handling (after the obligatory "this could be a
bad
> > idea" dialog box) by whatever application has registered as the handler
for
> > its filetype. Not all mailers do this, and not all shells have a direct
> > equivalent to a filetype being mapped to a "handler" - thus the "not
quite
> > true" above.
> >
> > The equivalent exercise under most *nix mailers would be to manually
pipe
> > the attachment to its "handler", in which case the results of something
like
> > a script to delete a whole bunch of files (a la "ILOVEYOU") would be
pretty
> > much identical.
> >
> > I'd imagine some GUI mailers under *nix do much the same thing Outlook
> > does - hands the attachment off to whatever handler is registered for
that
> > filetype. I wouldn't know - I use pine.
> >
> > The quickest and easiest way for a sysadmin to neuter VBScript "viruses"
is
> > to just set the default handler for a .vbs file to notepad (or some
other
> > editor) and distribute the setting as a .reg file. Of course, your
users
> > that normally run a lot of .vbs files by just double clicking on them
might
> > get a tad annoyed.
>
> And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> and no other.
Most windows file types have a registered default executable.
However, if you right click on a file it can have 1 or many executables
available in the context menu.
For example, if I right click on a .DOC file, by default it opens with word.
But you also get the option to send it to a compression program like WinZip,
or send it to any other executable you choose including the any program in
the user configurable SendTo list.
This is very powerful and one of the great things about Windows.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:44:58 -0500
Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:dMsM5.12789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:yDqM5.121003$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > The OpenBSD people claim they are usually 6 months ahead of
> Linux/Unix
> > > in
> > > > > fixing exploits.
> > > > >
> > > > > Go ahead and sleep through those 6 months of "open" vulnerabilities.
> > > >
> > > > Why don't you ask them how many years they are ahead of anything
> > > > from Microsoft?
> > >
> > > What percentage of the market does the secure open source project
> > (OpenBSD)
> > > hold compared to the insecure one (Linux) ?
> >
> > Probably 1% - and there are some good reasons for that.
> >
> > > And why do so many open source programs have holes in them?
> >
> > All large programs have holes in them. The open source ones
> > get fixed quickly where closed source ones can be exploited for
> > years by the smaller number of people who know about them and
> > withold that knowledge.
>
> While some of the holes in Linux get fixed quickly (and the OpenBSD people
> seem to think "quickly" is 6 months faster than Linux people think it is)
> many are not fixed. ANd many of the fixes are not implimented by the users.
>
> >
> > > Why do script kiddies prefer Linux to break into and install DDOS tools?
> > >
> > > Because Linux is an open door by default!
> >
> > Early versions have had problems. The real reason is that compared
> > to Windows, Linux is much more useful after you gain access.
>
> A Linux fantasy.
>
> The real answer is it's a lot easier to break in to a Linux box.
Wrong.
If you install any verions of Linux released in the last 2 years,
one would have to SPECIFICALLY CHOOSE "unsecure" to run at the
"minimal" security level ..
Oh, and by the way, even at Linux's minimum, it's security level is
superior to ANY Micro$oft Neutered Technology shit...
> Thats why the kiddies target Linux.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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