Linux-Advocacy Digest #30, Volume #33 Fri, 23 Mar 01 04:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (Chad Everett)
Re: An end to legacy hardware? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (Chad Everett)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (FM)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Graham Murray)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (J Sloan)
Re: rpm2cpio ("BetrOffDed")
Re: What is user friendly? (GreyCloud)
Re: An end to legacy hardware? (GreyCloud)
Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism) (GreyCloud)
Re: CLI vs GUI (GreyCloud)
Re: Virus plague causes charity to consider Linux ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Russ Allbery)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (GreyCloud)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:34:48 GMT
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:41:31 -0700, Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>WesTralia wrote:
>>
>>
>> Oh man, this is what I was afraid of -- a poor excuse. You could have
>> at least said that you have a laptop that you carry with you everywhere
>> you go.
>>
>> So let's see if I have your story straight:
>>
>> - You have a news reader which has a header idenitifying your OS
>> as WIN98.
>>
>> - Your news reader is really a news reader on an UNIX system with
>> the header string changed for the purpose of security through
>> obscurity. (By the way "security through obscurity" is an M$
>> line of reasoning.)
>>
>> - In order to post to this group you do a remote login to your
>> personal system, set the DISPLAY, then pull up Netscape on the
>> local machine.
>>
>> - You do all of this "remote login" stuff while on any contract
>> job at any company, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
>>
>> - You do the above without having any firewall problems because
>> every company that you contract for is wide open.
>>
>> Aaron... Aaron... Aaron... <shaking my head>
>>
>> So much to believe, so little time. I'll pretend that I didn't
>> read this last reply of yours and give you some time to come
>> up with something a little less "s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d".
>
>Aaron is remarkably consistent. I have yet to see him contradict himself.
>When he does make a mistake, he admits it and moves on.
>
I have seen him blatantly contradict himself 4 times in the last three days,
and have yet to see him admit it.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An end to legacy hardware?
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 01:38:05 -0500
jtnews wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > USB has numerous problems.
> >
> > You think I'm gonna want to have my disk drives haning off of
> > a USB port?
> >
> > Even if it's the only one on that USB hardware path, it's still
> > not enough bandwidth.
>
> USB 2.0 will have a bandwidth of
> 40MBytes/sec that's almost fast enough
> for a hard drive. The next revision
> of USB will probably be fast enough
> for hard drives.
One wire doing serial I/O will never compete with a SCSI bus doing parallel I/O.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 06:38:53 GMT
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:28:56 -0700, Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>WesTralia wrote:
>>
>> "." wrote:
>> >
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Starting to sweat, WinTroll? Aaron, you are a clown who got disconnected
>> > > from his rubber nose. Sad.
>> >
>> > Hes not a wintroll, dipshit. Hes a 'penguinista' or something.
>> >
>>
>> He posts all day from a Win98 box and does everything in his power to
>> make UNIX users look stupid.
>>
>> That's my definition of a Wintroll, what's your definition?
>>
>> --
>> -wt
>
>Aaron has explained many times that the header on his mailer is a fake.
Yes, he has explained that many times. Saying it over and over does not
make it true. It is very clear at this point that his claim is, in fact,
a lie.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FM)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 23 Mar 2001 06:09:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tuomo Takkula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>That makes you sound real stupid. The compiler is provided by ?
>-- Micro$oft. Remember the login() hack due to Kernighan (or was it
>Ritchie?)? Who can guarantee that the violating code is not in the
>compiler or in the linker, or just some stub which is linked
>dynamically against to some library that gets replaced with the next
>service pack? Heck, it might come with the next update of M$ Word!
http://essays.chrisdevers.org/ACM_--_Ken_Thompson_speech.html
The funny thing is that this article was once brought up as
an argument *against* open-source software.
Dan.
--
A healthy male adult bore consumes each year one and a half times his own
weight in other people's patience.
-- John Updike
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From: Graham Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: 22 Mar 2001 21:57:12 +0000
In gnu.misc.discuss, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefaan A Eeckels) writes:
> And? The "first" copy supposedly comes from the author.
> Once the author has released (and put up for download)
> a piece of code under the GPL, the scope for any downstream
> distributor to charge extravagant prices is just not there.
> If the author wants to charge big bucks, he can release
> it under any license he pleases, so your argument is invalid.
That is not necessarily true. I could download the source for gcc,
compile it and burn the executables etc together with the source code
(which should satisfy the GPL distribution requirements) onto a
CD-ROM. I could then legally offer these for sale at a car-boot,
jumble, or other sale at whatever price I choose. Anyone who purchased
(for anything other than very low charge) such a CD would be a fool,
but such a transaction would not be against the terms of the
GPL. Alternatively, it would be permissable to sell the CD together
with the offer of support and bug-fixes for an inclusive fee.
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:11:14 GMT
"." wrote:
> > a) I would expect that you are as capable of finding out about Todd
> > Needleham as much as anyone else; certainly you don't expect Aaron to
> > keep private records. So if you want very badly to get an URL, I'd
> > suggest plunking the name into some search engines. I haven't a clue
> > whether you'll find anything, but then I'm not the one that supposes
> > there's some convenient evidence that will conclusively prove anything
> > either way.
>
> I did a search on google and deja for 'Todd Needleham', but nothing came up
> at all on google (three links for 'needleham')
I think you want "Needham", not "Needleham".
jjs
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From: "BetrOffDed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rpm2cpio
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 07:38:44 GMT
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In Solaris 8 I noticed a program called rmp2cpio. Very little
> documentation came with this particular program but it says its supposed
> to convert rpms to archive files.
> Anybody have any experience with it?
What are you trying to do?
Here's a couple of quickies which may or maynot be what you're looking
for:
rpm2cpio whatever.rpm | cpio -t <<<<lists the contents
rpm2cpio whatever.rpm | cpio -ivd <<<<extracts the whole tree to
current directory.
HTH...
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:41:19 -0800
John Fereira wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:47:15 GMT, John Fereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Fine. I think the real point was that real redirection in not built into
> > DOS.
> >>>Applications can try implementing it on their own (i.e. javac), but DOS
> >>>is pretty stupid, hence your need to round up a "whole slew of unix like
> >>>utilities written to run in dos".
> >>
> >>Isn't Linux mostly a whole slew of unix utilities (plus a kernel) that were
> >>written by a bunch of different people and rounded up? I agree DOS is
> >>stupid, but then I don't tend to use "ed" on unix much either.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >We weren't talking about editors...we were talking about commandline shells.
>
> It was an analogy. The point is I have a choice in which editor I
> use as well as which command line interpreter I use.
> >UNIX shells have redirection builtin because the underlying OS provides
> >standard streams such as stdin, stdout, stderr. One of the things that
> >makes/made DOS so stupid was it should have been easy to write things like
> >redirection into DOS. When you explore why it never was, you'll learn
> >many things.
>
> I have no intention in exploring why Microsoft didn't build standard
> streams into the O/S. I'm really not that particularly interested in
> devoted much time in trying to prove the superiority of one O/S over
> another since I'm not in a position to dictate at a Corporate or University
> level the standard platform everyone uses. I'm merely a senior programmer
> analyst. Prior to that I was a unix systems administrator for about 16
> years. Prior to that I was a programmer.
>
> John Fereira
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Time sure flies by doesn't it. :-)
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: An end to legacy hardware?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 23:59:33 -0800
Andy Walker wrote:
>
> Craig Kelley wrote in message ...
> >jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
>
> >
> >Why on earth would you need unreliable fiber optic connection in order
> >to use a hard disk?
> >
> >--
> >It won't be long before the CPU is a card in a slot on your ATX videoboard
> >Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
>
> Fibre optic cable due to its nature has no problems with RF interference,
> line noise, and power spikes. It also has the capability to sustain high
> transfer rates over long distances. Idealy future machines will just be a
> dumb terminal connected to a server via fiber optic like the original
> design for networked machines. As a result future domestic products such as
> video recorders, TVs etc will all connect to one box and the true
> integration of video home entertainment will be realised.
>
> Most cable TV at some stage relies on fibre optics and indeed many high end
> audio cd and dat players connect in the same way to reduce noise.
> I have never found fibre optic to be any more unreliable than cable, my cat
> chewed up my cd players cable quite badly but it still performs perfectly!
> We also use fibre optic at work on our video coding system and that also has
> performed perfectly for several years without failure.
Very true. Out in front of my house they just installed a fibre optic
cable line for tv and broadband use. I'm waiting for them to get here
so I can go broadband.
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Kulkis not Chad, Gates (was Re Unix/Linux Professionalism)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:09:17 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" wrote:
> >
> > Said Aaron R. Kulkis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Thu, 22 Mar 2001
> > >"Public " wrote:
> > [...]
> > >Yes....reminding people of information which was widely circulated at
> > >the time of the incident, and NEVER contradicted....makes me a wacko.
> >
> > It was never contradicted because nobody was stupid enough to take it
> > seriously that it needed contradiction. It was simply *wrong*, and you
> > don't need to contradict such "facts". No, there weren't any rescue
> > workers "conveniently milling around downtown", nor was the entire BATF
> > conveniently out of the office.
>
> "Where was the ATF?"
> --relative of one of the deceased, upon learning that no ATF personnel
> were in the building at the time of the bombing.
>
> >
> > >By that definition, EVERY HISTORIAN on the face of the earth is a wacko.
> >
> > Its believing such stuff, not having heard it, which makes you a wacko.
> >
>
> Just because something contradicts your political beliefs doesn't
> relegate it to being false, Max.
>
> For instance...I am particularly passionate about my hatred for Communism,
> as it is based on a philosophy of nothing more than seductive lies, and
> cannot survive without a brutal police state to support it. Additionally,
> rumors of the Communism's demise in Russia are greatly exagerrated.
> It's merely put on a sort of Halloween mask...but it's still there.
>
> Having said that...I've been arrested in both the United States, and
> in Russia...and, at least in my experience, the Russian police are
> far more considerate.
>
> It contradicts my political views, but I am willing to acknowledge
> that fact, so that I may learn from it.
>
> My conclusion is that, for whatever reasons, our government, at the
> various levels, has become exceedingly brutal towards its own citizens.
>
Yes, its now making the majority wonder at our own justice dept. after
Janet "WACO" Renos' thugs bust in the doors in Florida. The news media
had a hayday with that one.
Unfortunately, there are many incidents of abuse by the gov. that goes
unreported.
Not too many years ago, in Seattle federal building, a woman and child
in their car were physically assaulted by the IRS in the parking
garage. They bashed in the drivers side window and beat her up pretty
bad because she couldn't afford to pay her taxes and was complaining
about it. It only got on the local news once and was never heard again.
Weaver comes to mind as well, but once the gov. sets its mind that "You"
are the criminal you have no recourse left but to take it in the shorts.
One thing you also don't hear in the news is the lack of any
reports of politicians being blackmailed for ransom. Remember back in
the early 70's when the Army got caught wire taping Congressmen? After
the Congressmen found out the reason they let it be. They tapped the
lines to protect the politicians from the dregs of society and then hunt
them down.
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
V
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CLI vs GUI
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:11:53 -0800
Michael Vester wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Chris Bennetts wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Removing the CLI entirely, so that service personnel can't use
> > > > one is....short-sighted.
> > >
> > > I agree that for limited applications (POS, web terminals at malls, etc),
> > > CLIs should not be accessible to the standard user. However, a command line
> > > is much nicer for a lot of things (I do most of my file ops in Bash, rather
> > > than Explorer, because it is simply *much* faster).
> > >
> > > Even things like writing, I just finished a nasty piece of work under
> > > SO5.2/Win32, and I must say that it didn't take me long to switch off all
> > > the bloat (Autocorrect in particular), and I didn't even touch the
> > > formatting toolbar buttons until I had finished writing the text of it,
> > > using Usenet standard *bolds* and /italics/ where appropriate as
> > > placeholders. I'm learning vi. ;-)
> >
> > vi is the essence of productivity.
>
> I agree. As I am getting more familiar with vi, my productivity has
> increased. Vi was designed to use as few keystrokes as possible to do a
> desired function. Fewer keystrokes means easier to learn. When I look at
> some of our server log files, vi is the only choice. How many losedos text
> editors can open a 35 megabyte log file without freezing. Vi does and it
> does it very quickly. Also, I hate moving my hands off the keyboard to do
> anything with a mouse.
> >
Yes. And vim, the vi clone with enhancements, I've found to be able to
take on DEC files as well. vi is very powerful once you get the hang of
it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > --Chris
> > > For a faster reply when doing so directly, use:
> > > jcmbenn AT dynamite DOT com DOT au
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> <snip>
> --
> Michael Vester
> A credible Linux advocate
>
> "The avalanche has started, it is
> too late for the pebbles to vote"
> Kosh, Vorlon Ambassador to Babylon 5
--
V
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Virus plague causes charity to consider Linux
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 02:34:53 -0600
"Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:99dojp$rfe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Your comment would indicate that they *DID* switch. The article says
only
> : that they're "considering", and even if the IT director does decide to
> : switch, that doesn't mean that those on the board of directors will
agree.
>
> In what universe do you live? In this one, his title
> included the word "consider", as did his comment.
His comment was "Another one bites the dust". I don't know what universe
you live in, but such a comment can only be construed to indicate that an
action has occured.
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From: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: 23 Mar 2001 00:36:09 -0800
In gnu.misc.discuss, T Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Said Russ Allbery in comp.os.linux.advocacy on 22 Mar 2001 00:41:38
>> The FSF use the term "free software" for one specific concept described
>> in detail on <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html>. They define
>> it as software whose users have four specific freedoms concerning it,
>> freedoms which are enumerated on that page. RMS has consistently
>> defined "free software" using that definition and that list of freedoms
>> every single time I've seen him discuss the matter.
> And has he ever remarked on what other licenses, explicitly, would be
> included?
Yes.
> I'd check the link, but I'm off-line right now.
I really do recommend reading those pages when you get a chance. You can
get a very skewed idea of what the FSF actually advocates by reading
gnu.misc.discuss, which tends to be full of minor (and major) distortions
even if you avoid the outright lunacy. RMS's own writing is actually
quite clear. Many people still disagree with it, for reasons that I can
certainly understand, but I've not met many people who find it unclear or
vague.
>> You mentioned previously that you don't read the FSF web pages. That
>> is, of course, your choice, but I for one would appreciate it if you'd
>> stop making statements about what RMS or the FSF are doing or saying
>> unless you're willing to bother to go actually find out.
> In comparison to the rampant misrepresentations others have made, I
> can't see how my trivial ignorance is at all important, let alone worth
> noting.
The definition of "free software" goes to the heart of the reason for the
FSF's existence. It's the name of the foundation. By saying that their
definition is vague and involves an umbrella over a bunch of different
things, you're casting doubt on the entire foundational purpose of the
organization. I hardly consider that trivial. I think you were doing
them a real disservice by your representation of their position.
>> By stating that you don't read their web pages and then making
>> statements about what they say and believe, you're implying at least to
>> me that you're just making things without even a basic attempt at
>> research.
> I don't understand what your problem is.
My problem is that you appear to be saying stuff off the top of your head
that's inaccurate, and you get huffy and defensive when people try to
correct it. When people suggest that if you do a modicum of research in
the area you're expounding on you could avoid misrepresenting other
people's positions, you get aggressively defensive. That attitude offends
my sense of fairness. Disagree with people all you want, but I think we
all owe our compatriots in debate a basic level of honesty, research, and
accuracy concerning their positions.
> I read the FSF's web pages, years ago; I'm not their spokesman, just
> someone correcting some obvious fallacies about the GPL.
I'd think you'd want to regularly review the largest body of available
discussion and interpretation of the GPL if you wanted to argue "obvious
fallacies." In-depth discussion of the GPL without reference to the goals
behind it, the intentions of the author, and the interpretation of the
author seems rather pointless to me given that the GPL is a political
instrument. If the GPL were a purely technical document, I could see the
argument for a context-free discussion of it, but it's not.
> You're implying there is some grave and telling difference between their
> position and my opinions, and there's not.
If you do not believe that BSD-licensed software is free software, there
is a *drastic* and *grave* difference between your stance and that of the
FSF and RMS.
--
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:38:22 -0800
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Chad Myers wrote:
> > >
> > > "Charles Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Chad Myers wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charles Lyttle wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >Intel and MS have been described as the "Great Duopoly". Until
> recently
> > > > > > >they worked closely together. Intel shared advanced info with MS so
> MS
> > > > > > >could have the OS ready to ship when Intel released the chip. Having
> the
> > > > > > >software ready to go insured fast adoption of the new chip. Recently,
> > > > > > >however, MS managed to upset some at Intel by trying to dictate what
> > > > > > >Intel could do in other areas. Now there is a minor civil war in
> Intel
> > > > > > >over its relationship with MS.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >--
> > > > > > >Russ Lyttle
> > > > > > >"World Domination through Penguin Power"
> > > > > > >The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> > > > > > ><http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Funny you should mention that. Has anyone noticed AMD grabbing their
> > > market
> > > > > > share from Intel at a similar rate to Linux stealing it from Microsoft
> ?
> > > > >
> > > > > Hmm, the funny thing is, AMD is grabbing Intel's share, but Linux has
> > > > > yet to even touch Microsoft in any market they're in.
> > > > >
> > > > > -c
> > > > But Linux is keeping MS *out* of a lot of markets it would like to be
> > > > in.
> > >
> > > Like? The University lab space? Nah, MS doesn't want there.
> > >
> > Like set-top boxes,
>
> Well, MS hasn't really ventured into this space. The closest they
> have is WebTV which was an acquisition.
>
> They now have UltimateTV which will be a big hit in the DirecTV
> world, and they will soon have XBox which will blow away anything
> Linux has to offer in the home entertainment arena.
>
> > test equipment
>
> I don't know about this, but Embedded NT and 2K seem to be doing
> well. Windows CE 3.0 seems to be a big seller as MS hasn't
> abandonned it, and they are still developing for it, so there
> must be some people buying it.
>
> > CE is having a rough time thanks to
> > the advent of Linux.
>
> Not really. The PocketPC devices (running WinCE 3.0) are selling
> like hotcakes and there's still no Linux powered palm device
> on the market yet, or at least one that even shows up on any
> palm device market share map.
>
> > People don't just automatically jump on board the latest MS
> > bandwaggon anymore.
>
> PocketPC is a hot seller and is starting to give Palm a run
> for their money. I wouldn't be so quick to stick my head
> in the sand if I were you.
>
> -c
Hmmm... monkeys in the coconuts again.
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