Linux-Advocacy Digest #30, Volume #32 Wed, 7 Feb 01 05:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Charlie Ebert)
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:25:17 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:63Pf6.560$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Thanks but no thanks...Windows 2000 Professional is the end of the
line
> > for
> > > me. Whistler is totally unnecessary and .NET will NEVER pollute one of
my
> > > machines. It's about as transparent a money vacuum as DIVX was. We
will
> > > neither utilize it nor develop for it - period. It is something to be
> > > viewed with disdain, not anticipation. Only the severely short-sighted
> > > would actually welcome such a system.
> >
> > Spoken just like someone without a clue about what .NET is.
> >
> > (HINT: The subscription based services are only a tiny part of it, and
> > something that very few .NET programs will take advantage of. If this
is
> > the only argument you can come up with, you're going to be quite
surprised).
>
> OK, Erik The-laughably-named...why don't you tell us *precisely* what
> .NET is.....
That topic could fill volumes. Essentially, it's a set of services backed
by a run-time compiled intermediate language similar to SmallTalk (not the
syntax, but the way it works). Those services include a GUI framework
(WinForms), Web services (ASP.NET), etc...
Note that there is a difference between "software as a service" and
"software as a subscription based service".
Here's a FAQ for you to read
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?URL=/library/techart/faq111700
.htm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:21:13 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Nigel wrote:
>>
>> > People are interested in Linux...
>>
>> Yes - even Microsoft are using it to run their DNS servers because their
>> own OS is not up to the task.
>>
>> >
>> > > 2. It's all about ease of use, compatibility with the neighbors and
>> > > applications and Linux fails on all counts.
>> >
>> > ...but because of lack of ease of use are put off by Linux.
>> >
>>
>> Or more likely because windows was pre-installed they think there are no
>> alternatives available - and because their only experience of computers
>> regularly crashes they think all computers are like this so why change.
>>
>> >
>> > Windows costs money. Now in Whistler they're talking about a product
>> > activation code.
>> >
>>
>> This will kill MS for sure - many companies only use MS products because
>> they know they can get away with illegally installing the same product on
>> multiple machines as well as their home machine. How long will they
>> continue to recommend their companies buy MS software when they find out
>> they will have to spend many $$$ to take any work home to finish but under
>> linux they can legally use the same software at home and work for free.
>
>Absolutely.
>
>That was how M$ originally proliferated into the home market.
>Linux is going to pull the rug out from under M$ by the same means.
>
>HEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
>
As in everything in business, the cheaper will survive.
>
>>
>> > Perhaps someone should come up with something bigger and better than both
>> > StarOffice and Office.
>> >
>>
>> This is OK as long as the alternative can still read and write the same
>> file format (linux is about alternatives but they still need to be able to
>> use each other's files) - Maybe Koffice is the answer (when finished).
>>
>> > > Windows drivers are on a CD included in the box. Where are Linux
>> > > drivers? Are there any Linux drivers at all?
>> > > I'm not even including Win_hardware here I am talking about everyday
>> > > hardware.
>> >
>> > Again due to popularity.
>> >
>>
>> And sometimes being forced to sign NDA agreements in order to get the
>> information required to write the windows driver which makes it impossible
>> to opensource the information for linux support.
>>
>> >
>> > And we have, what, one Windows. "One ring to rule them and in the darkness
>> > bind them all".
>> >
>>
>> This makes me laugh - when has windows ever had compatibility between
>> different versions - I work for a software company and we regularly find
>> problems which only occur on one of the versions of windows (95,98, NT,
>> Win2k, WinME) including dialogs not repainted properly under 2k or ME and
>> common controls not working properly under only 1 version of windows.
>> The latest example is that we use a common file dialog in a section of our
>> program to allow importing of image files (our product is a document
>> storage system). This dialog allows selection of multiple files to import
>> (which get imported in order selected). Under 9x, NT and 2k it worked
>> correctly but due to yet another MS bug it didn't work in ME - if more than
>> 10 files were selected the MS code returned no data so we had to modify our
>> code specifically to detect this and read the filenames a different way
>> under ME - so much for compatibility.
>>
>> > I am, I have and I am running it right now.
>> >
>>
>> Me too - isn't Knode great ;-)
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
--
Charlie
**DEBIAN** **GNU**
/ / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
/ /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
/_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
http://www.debian.org
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:27:43 -0600
"spam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >Well, since C# and the CLR are now ECMA standards, this is a possibilty.
> >The real benefit of .NET will be the Java-like cross platform capability
> >(think CE, 32 bit windows, 64 bit windows, MacOS X all from the same EXE,
> >each optimized for their own platforms by the .NET runtime compiler
(which
> >is much more like SmallTalk than Java))
>
> The CLR is ***NOT*** now, nor is it proposed to be an ECMA standard.
Sorry, technically it's the CLI that's the standard, but the CLR is just an
implementation of the CLI.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 03:31:22 -0600
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> YEAH! Everything that bad old SUN company promised to do but
> never came thru on.
Yes, such as submitting Java to ISO, and then ECMA for standardization.
> Perhaps the $20 million Microsoft just agree'd to pay them for
> *STEALING JAVA* in the first place might have had something
> to do with that.
You haven't a clue. The $20 million was to buy out their existing contract
with Sun. Sure, they won the battle, but they lost the war. Microsoft
can't use the Java compatible logo, but Java doesn't mean anything anymore.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 04:25:30 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Steve Mading wrote:
> :>
> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> : "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> :> : news:95fl3c$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Dan Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> :> : Could you please take this conversation private or at least to
> :> :> : a more appropriate newsgroup. While I believe God advocates Linux
> :> :> : (Bill Gates being the antiChrist)
> :> : comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
> :> :> : are not appropriate forums for this discussion.
> :> :>
> :> :> When insults are made in public, the responses must be equally public.
> :>
> :> : Must the responses be made ad nauseum, though?
> :>
> :> : This sort of debate has been going on for as long as humanity and it sure
> :> : as hell isn't going to be solved in COLA...We can't even agree on something
> :> : so simple as a distro around here!
> :>
> :> This is not an argument over whether or not atheists are correct.
> :> It is an argument over who the label "atheist" applies to. Aaron
> :> is picking a definition that atheists themselves don't agree with,
> :> and then using that definition to make claims about what atheists
> :> believe. That's a classic strawman fallacy.
>
> : If you were born of Korean parents in Korea, calling yourself
> : Mexican doesn't change the facts....no matter how much you
> : disagree with the definitions of "Mexican" and "Korean"
>
> True. That has no bearing here, where you are using incorrect
> definitions (hint, no other dictionary agrees with Websters
> on this). Regardless of the definition being used, to apply
> a belief to a group of people who don't hold it is a strawman.
If you believe in the existance of god(s), then you area theist.
If you believe in the non-existance of god(s), then you are an atheist.
If you have no belief either way, you are an agnostic.
I'm not proscribing your belief, I'm merely telling you what it's name is.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 04:25:40 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Steve Mading wrote:
> :>
> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :>
> :> : "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> :> : news:95fl3c$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> :> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Dan Mercer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> :> : Could you please take this conversation private or at least to
> :> :> : a more appropriate newsgroup. While I believe God advocates Linux
> :> :> : (Bill Gates being the antiChrist)
> :> : comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy
> :> :> : are not appropriate forums for this discussion.
> :> :>
> :> :> When insults are made in public, the responses must be equally public.
> :>
> :> : Must the responses be made ad nauseum, though?
> :>
> :> : This sort of debate has been going on for as long as humanity and it sure
> :> : as hell isn't going to be solved in COLA...We can't even agree on something
> :> : so simple as a distro around here!
> :>
> :> This is not an argument over whether or not atheists are correct.
> :> It is an argument over who the label "atheist" applies to. Aaron
> :> is picking a definition that atheists themselves don't agree with,
> :> and then using that definition to make claims about what atheists
> :> believe. That's a classic strawman fallacy.
>
> : If you were born of Korean parents in Korea, calling yourself
> : Mexican doesn't change the facts....no matter how much you
> : disagree with the definitions of "Mexican" and "Korean"
>
> True. That has no bearing here, where you are using incorrect
> definitions (hint, no other dictionary agrees with Websters
> on this). Regardless of the definition being used, to apply
> a belief to a group of people who don't hold it is a strawman.
If you believe in the existance of god(s), then you area theist.
If you believe in the non-existance of god(s), then you are an atheist.
If you have no belief either way, you are an agnostic.
I'm not proscribing your belief, I'm merely telling you what it's name is.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Wy Linux will/is failing on the desktop
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 08:40:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Charlie Ebert wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stephen Cornell wrote:
>> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> I found this post interesting.
>>
>> >> 1. People are just not interested in Linux, and I'm not talking about
>> >> IBM I am talking about Joe user who makes up the lions share of the
>> >> market.
>> >
>> >Because of Windows' near-monopolistic market share.
>> >
>> >> 2. It's all about ease of use, compatibility with the neighbors and
>> >> applications and Linux fails on all counts.
>> >
>> >Because of Windows' near-monopolistic market share.
>> >
>> >> 3. Linux is FREE for God sakes and it STILL cannot get any sizeable
>> >> market share. Do you Penguinista's have any idea what would happen if
>> >> Gates took out a full page ad in the Sunday NY Times and gave Whistler
>> >> away for free? There would be riots in the streets. Why? Because Gates
>> >> makes something that people want, and Linux does not. Editors,
>> >> compilers and megabytes of half finished code fragments ala Freshmeat
>> >> don't generate interest in an operating system.
>> >
>> >People want to use Windows, because they want to be compatible with
>> >all the other people and programs that use Windows.
>> >
>> >> 4. Windows makes things so damm easy that screwing with Linux is just
>> >> not worth the time even if one manages to get it working properly.
>> >> I can walk into ANY computer store and you can put a blindfold on me
>> >> and I can pick out hardware and software that will work with Windows
>> >> without even looking. As long as you don't put me in the Mac section
>> >> :) and even in that case if it is USB hardware chances are good it
>> >> will work with Windows as well.
>> >
>> >Hardware manufacturers who didn't make drivers for Windows would go
>> >out of business, because Windows has such a huge market share. Linux
>> >is a much smaller market, so the manufacturers don't stand to gain as
>> >much from their investment. Similarly for software.
>> >
>> >> 5. Why in the world should I bet my job on some word processing
>> >> program that is trying to be MSWord? Why not use the real thing? It
>> >> came with my pre-load anyway? Install StarOffice? Why? It is free even
>> >> in the Windows world yet nobody is using it. Why is that? Exactly WHY
>> >> is nobody using StarOffice? Seems to me it would be a no-brainer to
>> >> save a fortune in licensing fees but yet there is very little interest
>> >> in even the Windows version of StarOffice. Why is that? Damm if
>> >> someone offered me a free Car I think I would take them up on it and I
>> >> wouldn't care if it was purple with green polka dots.
>> >> Answer is StarOffice is garbage.
>> >
>> >People HAVE to use MS Office, because they have to be compatible with
>> >everyone else who uses Office. Because of Windows' huge market share.
>> >
>> >> 6.Hardware support under Linux is a highly mixed bag. You see LinoNuts
>> >> have to beg manufacturers to write drivers for Linux. Or they have to
>> >> reverse engineer the hardware in order to come up with their own
>> >> semi-functional drivers.
>> >> Why should I put up with using half the functions of a card or device
>> >> I paid good money for?
>> >> Windows drivers are on a CD included in the box. Where are Linux
>> >> drivers? Are there any Linux drivers at all?
>> >> I'm not even including Win_hardware here I am talking about everyday
>> >> hardware.
>> >
>> >See above, under (4)
>> >
>> >> So why run Linux?
>> >
>> >All of your criticisms of Linux are a consequence of the fact that
>> >Windows has a huge market share, whereas Linux has only a very small
>> >one. The same `arguments' could be applied to BSD and BEOS or, indeed,
>> >(to a lesser extent) to MacOS.
>> >
>>
>> I think it's the fear factor for Microsoft Stockholders.
>> Stockholders are usually a shrewd group of investors who
>> see Linux for what it really is, 'a Microsoft killer'.
>>
>> >This gives Windows a competitive `leverage' quite out of proportion
>> >with its technical merits. Agreed, for the time being anyone wanting
>> >a computer to do what Windows does best will be better off using
>> >Windows (and if they really were interested merely in using their
>> >computers as a tool to do work, they wouldn't waste their time writing
>> >dozens of identical trolling posts in COLA every day).
>> >
>>
>> A competitve 'leverage' quite out of proportion with it's technical
>> merits?
>>
>> Strange comment. I use Debian with it's 4000+ packages and it's
>> growing at a rapid rate. By next release Debian's Woody will
>> easily top 7,500 packages.
>>
>> As far as technical merits goes, Windows don't even come close to
>> Debian 2.2R2. Not even by a long shot.
>>
>> >However, Linux *is* increasing its market share. It already makes a
>> >good alternative to a Unix workstation for technical use, and it's an
>> >excellent candidate in the server market. Meanwhile, Gnome and KDE
>> >are addressing the needs of the desktop market, and are improving at a
>> >rapid rate. Hardware and software support will lag behind Windows, as
>> >long as companies stand to make more money out of investment in
>> >Windows than in Linux, but more companies *are* beginning to support
>> >Linux, and business software of all kinds is being ported to Linux.
>> >
>>
>> I see he thinks it's a good workstation and 'excellent candidate'
>> for a server. But in reality it's the other way around in the
>> real world. But I did want to say I agree with you more than
>> I do the actions of the real market. It's desktop value
>> is grossly underrated by the populous.
>>
>> >So: in spite of the chicken-and-egg situation, Linux is developing
>> >into a very good alternative for business use. Microsoft clearly see
>> >Linux as a very serious threat; if Linux really was as bad as you make
>> >out, and Linux is its own worst publicity, why is MS investing so much
>> >FUD into it?
>> >
>>
>> Well, the Wintrolls cruising around here just keep posting and
>> posting their idiotic nonsense and Linux just keeps growing
>> and growing and expanding it's market.
>>
>> There is absolutely *nothing* said on COLA which would change
>> that. GNU/LINUX with GPL licensing is a powerhouse with a
>> workforce of 250,000 developers! If you think of 250,000
>> people on a single project, and it's growing at 1/3 increase
>> per year, it's quickly becomming the worlds largest human
>> effort. It's one of the few sucessful global efforts mankind
>> has ever achieved.
>>
>> >Nothing you can say will alter the fact that Linux does indeed meet
>> >the needs of many users (though not a majority, at present).
>> >Meanwhile, if you want a games console or a glorified typewriter,
>> >stick with Windows 9x.
>> >
>>
>> Here's where we break company. Linux *DOES* meet the need of the
>> masses today. It's the masses who have to come around to this.
>>
>> The masses are very slow in adopting a product, but when that
>> product reaches a certain point it develops a landslide of
>> interest from the consumer base. Linux is comming up
>> on that point now. I haven't seen so many shops converting
>> to Linux since I started using this OS 6-7 years ago.
>>
>> There are people talking about Linux in every bookstore,
>> every dp gathering, every sig meeting....
>>
>> It's influence is everywhere.
>>
>> Microsoft has hired an active group of FUDSTERS to hover
>> around the Linux section at all COMP USA's now in their
>> attempt to *INFORM* people about the poor characteristics
>> and even *danger* of using Linux.
>>
>> I listened to one of their speeches for 15 minutes as this
>> 45 year old woman told me why it would be wrong to get
>> involved with this os and the dangers in doing so.
>>
>> I informed her that I'd been using it for 6 years now
>> and everything you've just told me was wrong.
>>
>> Then I told her about the horrors of being woken up at
>> 3-4 am by dp personnel in a van to collect me to take
>> me back to the datacenter every time one of our NT
>> machines went down.
>>
>> I told her if I had it my way, every box of Windows would
>> be marked with a warning label, "NOT READY FOR BUSINESS USE
>> YET - USE IN A BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT CAN CAUSE LOSS OF SLEEP
>> AND SEVERE HEADACHES".
>
>I hope you said this loud enough for people to hear you.
>
>By the way, did you ask her, "How much is Microsoft paying you
>to stand around in this store and lie all day? "???
>
She took the box of Suse which I was reading after asking
for it and put it in her shopping basket by her sweater some
35 feet away.
I told her if your going to nit-pick Linux you might at least
try it once as you've already admitted you've never used it.
>
>>
>> >--
>> >Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
>> >University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
>>
>> --
>> Charlie
>>
>> **DEBIAN** **GNU**
>> / / __ __ __ __ __ __ __
>> / /__ / / / \/ / / /_/ / \ \/ /
>> /_____/ /_/ /_/\__/ /_____/ /_/\_\
>> http://www.debian.org
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Would linux hackers like an OpenS windows?
Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2001 04:29:00 -0500
gswork wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The point is...C provides programming structures (such as break)
> > to handle nearly every contingency, such that the appearance of
> > goto should be a VERY rare occurance.
> >
> > The only conclusion that can be drawn is that a LOT of MS kernal
> > code is written by recent BASIC-programming high-school graduates
> > who were given a crash-course in C.
>
> windows:
> goto windows
>
> Anyway. I take it that this old MS DOS code
Nope...modern Windows code.
> is not something we'd find
> snippets of anywhere on a website (I guess they'd get sued).
not unless you want to get slapped around for an NDA disclosure.
>
> Shame really. If people could see it then the technical arguments
> against MS could be backed up more.
>
> > >
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> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
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Aaron R. Kulkis
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ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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