Linux-Advocacy Digest #881, Volume #30 Thu, 14 Dec 00 19:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Steve Mading)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Steve Mading)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Steve Mading)
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:47:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Steve Mading writes:
:> You mean it doesn't go one character forward?
: Ah, you caught my point.
:> Gee, I guess that makes more less intuitive than vi in that regard,
:> using similar logic to your own.
: On the contrary, similar logic to my own would have resulted in you
: saying that it makes more non-vi-like in that regard. But you don't
: want to say that because it contradicts your position.
Learn how sarcasm works.
:> So what?
: Go back and reread your original claim, then my response to it.
Why would this change anything? Your words in the news spool
haven't changed while I wasn't looking have they?
:> Your exact verbatim statement was that there was "no need to
:> move a cursor around in an unmmodified document." The /pattern
:> search is all that is sufficient to make that statement false.
: Incorrect, given that you're not moving the cursor around with
: hjkl.
Which has nothing to do with the statement I refer to.
:> How do you like it when people get pendantic with you, huh?
: Whether I like it or dislike it is irrelevant. What is relevant is
: why you're choosing to use a "pendantic" [sic] argument.
That's the nature of it. Once one person starts, the other only has
two choices: 1 - drop it and walk away, or 2 - make replies to the
pendantic points, which will of course themselves be pendantic.
:>> Finding an occurrence of a string is a rather different matter from
:>> simply viewing a document. The latter was what he brought up.
:> Why?
: You'll have to ask him why he brought it up.
The "why" was about why it's a different matter, not why he brought
it up. This should be blantantly obvious since my "why" was
immediately followed by the sentence you have quoted below. And
you accuse ME of reading comprehension problems, sheesh.
:> By that logic, I could say that inserting text is a different
:> matter than moving the cursor,
: And you'd be right.
:> and therefore it doesn't matter if you have to switch modes
:> between those two tasks.
: On what basis do you claim that it doesn't matter? Switching
: modes slows you down.
On the basis that you didn't seem to care if viewing a document
and searching through it were totally seperate tasks. Do
remember that I said, "By that logic" - in response to your post.
I was pointing out your inconsistency.
:>>>>>>> d/foo<enter> = delete until the pattern "foo"
:>>>>>> As opposed to "delete the pattern 'foo'".
:>>>>> Yes, /foo positions you to the beginning, not the end of the
:>>>>> matched pattern.
:>>>> My point is that its action isn't intuitive.
:>>> To whom?
:>> To someone who hasn't used it before. Who else? Intuition
:> NO - To someone who has NOT seen d/foo before, but HAS
:> used the 'd' command, and the /foo mover, it is intuitive
:> how they go together.
: You have a peculair notion of intuition. If I learn that the form of
: a Fortran DO loop ends with start, stop, and step values, and the first
: time I use a step value of one, does that make the subsequent time I
: use it with a step value of two an intuitive use? No! I learned the
: form.
There are fewer forms to learn in vi than a programming language like
fortran. Once you have them, everything else falls neatly into place.
:>> You have a peculiar notion of intuition. Needing to know a bunch
:>> of things suddenly makes something intuitive.
:> There you go leaving off the qualifiers again.
: How ironic, coming from someone who has left off qualifiers, such as
: "nothing [about computers] is intuitive" and "hjkl [as cursor keys]
: is not intuitive", with the qualifiers your left off in brackets.
The first I've already dealt with. In the second, the qualifier was
not describing to whom it would be intuitive, so it doesn't matter
to the argument at hand.
:> <sarcasm>
:> Yeah, let's stop using all those overloaded keys like "ctrl',
:> and 'return' (does it break a line or does it pick a menu
:> option from a drop-down, or does it select the "ok" of an
:> ok/cancel dialog? Oh, crap it does three different things
:> depending on context! Oh, no, how un-intuitive!)
:> </sarcasm>
: Do you feel better now?
Well, I've learned that I always need to tell you when
sarcasm is turned on.
:>>>>>>> 4dj = delete current and 4 lines going down
:>>>>>> Assuming you remember which letter is for up and down.
:>>>>> Which you don't have to consider a special case.
:>>>> Is 4dk a special case?
:>>> It fits the generic pattern: {number}{command}{movement}
:>> I see you missed my point.
:> What? You asked if it was a special case.
: After you said that you don't have to consider 4dj a special
: case, despite the fact that I wasn't talking about that.
:> I showed that it isn't.
: While missing my point.
:> I'm sorry if "no" wasn't the answer you were looking for.
: I was looking for some recognize of the point I made.
:>>> Ctrl-V is common in many other unix interactive tools.
:>> Backslash is common in many other UNIX applications.
:> Yeah. And?
: It's prefix for special chaarcters. Why use ^V^M when \r will
: work? Or does it?
:> Now are you trying to assert that something needs to be
:> universally used in every other context on the computer to be
:> intuitive?
: Not at all. I've not come anywhere close to even trying to
: suggest that everything on the computer should be intuitive.
That's not what I said, Mr "reading comprehension". The statement
that "everything on the computer should be intuitive" is totally
different from the statement "something needs to be universally
used in every other context on the computer to be intuitive"
[rest deleted. I don't have time for this shit anymore.]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:51:33 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On 13 Dec 2000 22:28:33 GMT, Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >: Yes...the term liberal (root: liber = freedom) has been absconded
> >: with by the freedom-hating socialists.
> >
> >Then why help then mis-use it? Stop calling them liberals then.
>
> If he called the Democrats "socialists" or "communists" then people
> would think he's an extremist nutcase.
Actually, I DO call them communists on a regular basis, and yes,
people call me an extremist nutcase for simply telling the fucking truth.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:52:48 -0500
Ed Allen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:45:08 -0500,
> >
> >What idea has Microsoft brought to the computer
> >industry it never had before? What thing did
> >Microsoft TRUELY and UNIQUELY INVENT.
> >
> Per processor licensing and shrinkwrap licenses ?
>
> Their actions in any other industry would have earned them a visit from
> the bunko squad but because everyone involved with the legal system
> seems to be afraid that software is like magic pixie dust which they
> must be careful not to question or it will disappear, Microsoft has
> escaped legal scrutiny for twenty years.
Those days will soon be over. You now have lawyers coming into the system
who don't think of computers as being any more mysterious than cars.
> --
> "Whether you think their witnesses are credible or non-credible;
> they've admitted monopoly power, they've admitted raising prices to hurt
> consumers, they've admitted depriving consumers of choice...
> -DAVID BOIES, US Department of Justice
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:52:57 -0500
Ed Allen wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:45:08 -0500,
> >
> >What idea has Microsoft brought to the computer
> >industry it never had before? What thing did
> >Microsoft TRUELY and UNIQUELY INVENT.
> >
> Per processor licensing and shrinkwrap licenses ?
>
> Their actions in any other industry would have earned them a visit from
> the bunko squad but because everyone involved with the legal system
> seems to be afraid that software is like magic pixie dust which they
> must be careful not to question or it will disappear, Microsoft has
> escaped legal scrutiny for twenty years.
Those days will soon be over. You now have lawyers coming into the system
who don't think of computers as being any more mysterious than cars.
> --
> "Whether you think their witnesses are credible or non-credible;
> they've admitted monopoly power, they've admitted raising prices to hurt
> consumers, they've admitted depriving consumers of choice...
> -DAVID BOIES, US Department of Justice
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 17:55:17 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2000 19:59:22 -0800, Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Why would an ejection seat be useless in a helicopter? (Hint: some
> >ejection seats eject down).
>
> Do they have an altitude interlock? It wouldn't do to eject down from a
> hover at 50 feet.
Actually, even if you have a chute, it's safer to go down in a helicopter
than to bail out. Look up "auto-rotation". Even with multiple blades
completely sheared off the rotor. [The only exception being if you lose
ALL of the blades].
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:52:03 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Steve Mading writes:
:> This is a point I just responded to in another two posts. I won't
:> repeat it here.
: Too embarrassing?
No, there's just no need to repeat the same damn thing 20 times.
:> (Note, normally I'd just snip it off in this case,
:> but I don't want to see you put in that assinine "note: no response"
:> reply just because I don't want to repeat the response 3 times.)
: You could avoid that by deleting all the discussion leading up to it.
: Wouldn't be the first time you've used that strategy.
Which would have made the cocky asshole called "Dave Tholen"
put up a "note: no response" in there, which, if you could read,
is exactly what I said.
But, it's clear that you are winning the "more free time" game
here, so I'll just have to accept that. I've already dealt
with the points you brought up, and the argument has devolved
into you denying my evidence so that I have to say the same damn
thing over and over.
[snip]
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 14 Dec 2000 22:54:11 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Steve Mading writes:
:> Ahem - I wasn't trying to defend his interpetation, just stating
:> that this is what it looks like it is to me.
: So it looks to you like Aaron is being illogical?
I don't care. YOU are being illogical. It doesn't matter if
someone else is too.
:>>> since that is often what it means when someone leaves a qualifier
:>>> off on a statement like that.
:>> Evidence, please.
:> 28 years of context as a speaker of English.
: Is that all?
Yes, that's all.
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