Linux-Advocacy Digest #881, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Society")
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. ("Richard")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: t. max devlin: kook (Dave)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Dave)
Re: sound card driver? (Chronos Tachyon)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Impact of Internet (Maynard Handley)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. (WesTralia)
Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Communism (Strabo)
Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed. (Richard Thrippleton)
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Reply-To: "Society" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Society" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:05:53 -0700
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c3h2f$bo6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Look at the ancgient Egyptians, the Romans
> and the Greeks. Homosexuality was considered
> nomal and happily tolerated. People don't have to
> be intolerant of homosexuals.
<laugh>
Your attempt to pass along the Big Lie that the practices
of some cultures long turned to dust are equivalent to
what is today called "homosexuality" won't fly with the
adults, Edward.
Intolerance toward stupidity is the most common kind
of intolerance. It's no surprise, Edward, that you feel
intolerance coming at you from everywhere.
---
Defund the Left.
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From: "Richard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:20:07 +0100
Bye Bye and can I just say !how sorry I am to see you go
Lev
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:28:14 GMT
On Tue 24 Apr 2001 04:47, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[Snip]
>>
>> 1) Make your CD writing program setuid. If I'm not mistaken, cdrecord
>> (the most commonly used CD writing program under Linux) is designed to be
>> relatively secure when made setuid, although I wouldn't really trust it
>> without a full source audit.
>
> You can do the same with Win2k. You can run any program as another user,
> including administrator when you are not logged in as that account.
>
Hint: "Run As Different User" is not the same as setuid. Under Linux, you
don't need to know the root password to burn a CD using this method. I
currently use the "Run As" kludge on the Win2K box I maintain for a friend
when he wants to burn CDs.
>> 2) Do a "chgrp cdrom /dev/{sr,sg}0; chmod 0660 /dev/{sr,sg}0", then make
>> your CD writing program setgid. This way, the program does not gain root
>> permissions at any time during its execution.
>
> You can do the same in Win2k setting the execute permissions to the device
> drivers to only administrators and then giving permission to only one user
> or groups of users, then giving them the ability to start and stop
> devices. They can only then start the devices they have permissions to.
>
Um, huh? I've never seen ACLs on individual device drivers anywhere in all
the time I've tinkered with Win2K. Besides, this Linux option grants
exactly one program (the CD writing software) the right to directly access
the drive, whereas what you suggest gives that right to ALL programs run by
the permitted user(s). Given the fact that CD-R drives are somewhat
notorious for causing flakiness (under any OS), I would think that the
ability to restrict access to a trusted program or two would be a wise
thing, especially if you didn't fully trust the user(s).
Note that, under Linux, direct access to the drive is a very different
thing from being able to mount the drive and read files from it.
>> 3) Do the same chgrp/chmod, then edit /etc/login.defs so that users who
>> log in at the console automatically gain access to the cdrom group.
>
> This would require some scripting to work under Win2k, but you could do it
> as well.
>
I'm not familiar with any way in Win2K that you can use a script to grant
or revoke membership in an arbitrary group based on whether or not a user
is logging in locally. Perhaps you could elaborate?
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:37:40 GMT
On Mon 23 Apr 2001 12:22, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm using 3.3.6 and it rocks. If it sucks donkey balls compared to
>> > 4.03, then I'll have to get XF4.
>>
>> I don't have personal experience with it yet, but my understanding
>> is that XFree86 4.03 puts previous versions to shame.
>
> FWIW, I ran the multi-hour benchmark on one of the 3.95 pre-releases, and
> it
> showed a 40% speedup compared to 3.3.3. YMMV.
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
>
I've been running XFree 4 since within a week of XFree 4.0.0 having binary
tarballs available. The biggest improvements: performance, DRI (easier 3D
card support), saner config files (no more ModeLines!), more modular
architecture (no more symlinks to X). Not quite as stable as XFree 3.3.x
(about 1 crash per month on my Voodoo3), but the difference is very slight
and is probably less XFree's fault and more a factor of the video hardware
getting exercised more thoroughly.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: t. max devlin: kook
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:30:32 -0600
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:44:36 +0100, Peter Hayes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:14:54 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
>> Said Peter Hayes in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 14 Apr 2001 21:37:57
>> >On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 10:30:53 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >> Ever see a true newbie in front of a Windows machine?
>> >
>> >I first came across the GUI in the form of an early Apple computer in an
>> >electrical store in Glasgow, Scotland in the early 80s.
>> >
>> >I remember fiddling with the mouse, occasionally getting some response, but
>> >the double-click process isn't intuitive, and I gave up largely
>> >unimpressed.
>> >
>> >The GUI isn't intuitive at all, without instruction or training, and double
>> >clicking doesn't help. KDE's single click is less unintuitive for the
>> >newbie, what's more natural than one click on an icon to run the app?
>>
>> One click on the icon to select the icon, one double-click to run the
>> app, that's what. The desktop is a metaphor, not just a cute-looking
>> menu.
>
>Whether you see the desktop as a metaphor or a menu is irrelevent. It's how
>intuitive it is that matters. I know from many non-computer literate users
>who have difficulties with double-clicking that single-clicking is much
>better.
>
>The user has to double-click within a given time, or not much if anything
>happens. Double-clicking within a few tens of milliseconds only comes with
>practice. Arthritic users find it excruciatingly difficult.
The best thing for arthritic users is a membrane mouse, with
programmable buttons. All it takes is a finger to move the cursor, and
you can program one of the buttons for double-click. I've set a lot of
these up for older people and they work far better than a mouse.
Children seem to prefer them, too, but only because all the stores
seem to have is adult-sized mice that are hard to hold with a small
hand, or cheaply-made toy mice that don't function reliably.
However, as far as the user interface issue goes I think one button
and one click should be sufficient. Additional buttons and more clicks
could be an option for "power users" but shouldn't be required to use
the GUI.
Speaking of which someone's working on a mouseless version of
X-windows and I lost the link. Anyone remember what it was called?
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From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:32:40 -0600
On 24 Apr 2001 12:38:13 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad
Everett) wrote:
>It's a shame that the "almighty" Windows can't even do something as
>simple as letting a user write to a CD/RW drive...don't you think?
>
>Oh I forgot....that'll be something we can pay $money$ to do in the
>next release.
Yeah, but only if Big Brother Billy approves the content.
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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: sound card driver?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 20:00:54 GMT
On Tue 24 Apr 2001 12:28, Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> vidyasagar koneru wrote:
>>
>> hi
>>
>> Did not find a driver for my soundcard.
>> These are the lines I saw in the less /proc/pci.
>> Bus 0, device 11, function 0:
>> Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic Unknown device (rev 1).
>> Vendor id=1013. Device id=6003.
>> Medium devsel. IRQ 5. Master Capable. Latency=32. Min
>> Gnt=4.Max
>> Lat=24.
>>
>> Could not figure what was the driver that is required. If anyone knows,
>> could you send me a link or the driver.
>>
>> One more question. If I find the .o file for the driver, how should I
>> add it to the kernel.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sagar Koneru
>
> That is pretty vague, what is the name, version,model of the sound
> card. I would also suggest jumping onto the irc.linux.com and joing
> #linuxhelp to get some help, or post on the zdnet linux help board.
>
> Matthew Gardiner
>From what I was able to glean from /usr/share/pci.ids, it seems like he has
a Cirrus Logic CS-4614, which I presume is a type of soundcard. From what
I was able to glean from the options in "make menuconfig", its driver is
called "Crystal SoundFusion (CS4280/461x)", and is present in the stock
2.4.3 kernel.
--
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:35:05 +0100
> Bye all.
You are the weakest link. Goodbye.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MIcrosoft: Words, denial and WTF!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:37:47 +0100
> Again, semantics. Vunerability denotes weakness, doesn't it? Arrogance,
> to me, is referring to folks who use scripting tools as 'script kiddies'
Folks who use scripting tools are not script kiddies. Script kiddies are
kiddies who use _other_peoples_ scripts to crack in to computers for fun.
Hence the name script kiddie.
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:44:59 +0100
<snip>
Well put.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Maynard Handley)
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:35:38 -0700
In article <t7XB6.17$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian
Kemmish) wrote:
> In article <9b8m9s$2bi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> >In particular, how should the value of the web be analyzed in terms of
> >technology, societal impact, etc.?
>
> I get accosted by criminals addressing me as `friend' ten times a day. That
> never used to happen.
>
> My credit card number popped up on a generator site, and it took months
to sort
> out the mess and get my money back.
>
> I can order computer parts via Internet and it's nearly as fast as ordering
> them by fax used to be.
>
> Can't think of much else, though;-)
Crikey people, this is why the social opinions of tech types can't be trusted.
Interesting impact of the web re sex:
(1) Many (soon most) Americans and Europeans (and one day, maybe, others)
get to see a variety of more-or-less extreme sexual acts, with the result
that these become less of a big deal. Ho, hum, so some people like
fisting, some like threesomes, some like watersports. Like with
homosexuality, the slow drip of familiarity will move these from the
shocking, to the laughworthy, to the barely-worth-commenting on. (With
reactions, of course, along the way, but the Reagan years did not turn
back the fact that adult men and women now take it for GRANTED that after
some (smallish, 1..5) number of dates there will be sex.)
(2) The ability to surf for callgirls, and following that, adult personals
sites where one can search for and find likeminded partners for
threesomes, one-night-stands, or [for the wimps] simply partners for
phone-sex/chat-sex/email-sex. Again enough of this becoming common enough
and perhaps the idea that has had Western Civ in its thrall for a few
hundred years, that the same person that you want as your best friend
should also be your sole sexual partner, will be out the window.
Doubtless other people will chime in with claims about how seeing Chinese
web sites will make us see them as a little more human---I'm rather less
sanguine about claims like that given no obvious driver for reducing the
insularity of Americans.
Maynard
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:48:17 +0100
> I know that logical thinking is difficult for you, so I will try to be
> clear:
>
> It can be dangrous for women to walk alone. Women walking alone armed
> with guns can defend themselves. People like you would like to rob
> women of their ability to defend themselves. People like you would like
> to see women walk alone with no practical way to protect themselves.
Round where I live, it is far mor common for men walking on their own to
be attacked than women bceause men are seen as `fair game'.
Personally, I thing introducing more guns is a silly thing to do.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 15:47:14 -0500
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Hullo wrote:
>
> I originally posted to try and get material for an anti W2K perspective for
[...]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roberto Alsina)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles
Subject: Re: OT: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: 24 Apr 2001 20:52:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 24 Apr 2001 18:02:36 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>On 24 Apr 2001 17:30:55 GMT, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>billh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>You, Roberto, are not a truthful man.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is from a post of your dated 21 Apr 01 in this thread.
>>>>>
>>>>>"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally believe any killing not in self defense, including
>>>>>> killing at war, should be considered murder.
>>>>
>>>>Bzzt!. Here I equated some killings at war with murder. Not "killing in war".
>>>
>>>Bzzzt! Wrong.
>>>
>>>You clearly stated that you personally believe that [any killing not in
>>>self defense] includes [killing at war].
>>
>>It's pretty obvious that can't be true, since there can
>>be killings in self defense at war.
>>
>>If you want it longhand:
>>
>>C1= the class of killings in self defense
>>C2= the class of killings at war
>>
>>The above sentence says "~C1 should be murder, ((~C1) intersection (C2))
>>should be murder". The second half is redundant.
>
>Bzzzt wrong. And you claim that you lectured on logic?
>That's not what your sentence said at all. I provided the definition
>of "includes" for a reason.
Of course you did.
>>>include: to take in or comprise as a part of a whole
>>>
>>>You stated that [killing at war] is a subset of [any killing not in
>>>self defense].
>>
>>I suppose you could understand it that way, if you had serious
>>logic defficiencies.
>
>You're the one who can't make properly formed logical statements, not me.
Well, you can choose. Either the statement is illogical, or
it didn't mean what you say. In either case, I didn't do what
you say I did, and the argument is over.
>>>You did NOT say: I personally believe any killing not in self defense,
>>>including certain kinds of killing at war, should be considered murder.
>>
>>Yes, that's what I meant by pretty ugly. My aesthetics don't let
>>me write that way.
>
>Bingo. Now you're telling us this is what you meant, despite the fact that
>it's not what you said.
Inaccuracy is our daily bread. You should go have an argument with
Tholen.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: Strabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:54:30 -0400
"Gunner ©" wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 13:19:40 GMT, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >That is hyperbole. But even if true, would not justify his call to
> >kill democrats in general.
> >
> >He is a proven liar, a cowardly forger, and if you value your personal
> >credibility you would stop defending him.
> >
> Aaron can defend himself, I do however often agree with his concepts and
> ideas, and I defend those on occasion.
>
> You really need to work on something else besides the :lier/forger:
> thingy... you have beat that horse to death, and you now sound simply
> shrill and simple minded. I dont know if he did or didnt, and would be
> surprised if he had, but I really dont care about the personal pissing
> contest the two of you have going on between you. I find you more and
> more using it as a pretext to avoid refuting his ideas..which leads me
> to believe that he is winning the logic/info debate and you are slipping
> into LaVoys Corralary.
>
> Spend more time on the subject, and less on whimpering.
>
> Gunner
Agreed. Now if only Kulkis would shorten his signature block...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Subject: Re: Bye all. Wow the Linux scene has changed.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 21:48:08 +0000
In article <9c4fpf$9qt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hullo wrote:
<snipped 'linux is not exactly like windows therefore linux sux' rant>
>Maybe I'll see some of you via your CVs, but don't wait for an interview.
>You all begin your code with void main (void) don't you? (can you even
>figure out what's wrong with that) And remember - no ones going to hire you
>for your ability to download and play with virus toolkits.
Beg to differ..... how about the Chinese government?
Richard
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