Linux-Advocacy Digest #909, Volume #30           Fri, 15 Dec 00 17:13:05 EST

Contents:
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:04:01 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >> Les Mikesell writes:
> 
> >>>>> Or they might have used ksh with the vi edit mode, or less (an enhanced
> >>>>> more that uses vi-like keystrokes to browse through files).
> 
> >>>> UNIX users are in the minority.
> 
> >>> How many MS-windows users were there in 1976 when the vi commands
> >>> were chosen?
> 
> >> Irrelevant to the issue.
> 
> >>>> The ABDick was also tall and narrow (portrait mode) and displayed a
> >>>> full screen of text, but it might have been a green screen.  Come to
> >>>> think of it, we may have replaced our ABDick machines with the CPT
> >>>> machines.  Never did catch on.
> 
> >>> The price of the dedicated WP machines was what killed them when
> >>> PC clones running DOS Wordperfect 4.2 came around with equivalent
> >>> functionality at less than half the price and network capability.  There
> >>> was nothing intuitive about WP's keystrokes but people used it anyway.
> 
> >> Earlier than that.  We had word processors on CP/M.  Take Magic Wand,
> >> for example.
> 
> >>>>>> Of course, according to Aaron, nothing about a computer is intuitive.
> 
> >>>>> Exactly.
> 
> >>>> But do you or do you not agree with him?
> 
> >>> I'm not sure what he meant, but there is nothing that would make any
> >>> sense without relating to some prior knowledge.
> 
> >> What's unclear about the claim that "nothing about a computer is
> >> intuitive"?
> 
> >>>>> Many younger people have probably never seen a typewriter
> >>>>> and would be very confused by the fact that you scroll down
> >>>>> to get the page to the right position on the typing line instead of
> >>>>> moving a cursor (which they probably have seen) up to the
> >>>>> the text in question.
> 
> >>>> Younger people seem to be less confused by computers than older
> >>>> people with exposure to typewriters.
> 
> >>> Young people are often more open to new things than older people
> >>> in general - after all, if you are young enough everything is new.
> >>> However in this case I would say it has more to do with the millions
> >>> MS and Apple have spent trying to brainwash you, errr.. promote their
> >>> products.
> 
> >> You would say lots of things that don't answer the original questin.
> 
> >>>>>> Fortunately, I don't think otherwise.  Remember, my statement was
> >>>>>> that to use hjkl for cursor movement is not intuitive.
> 
> >>>>> It is no more or less intuitive than any other keys might be, especially
> >>>>> given that at the time most keyboards did not have any special cursor
> >>>>> control keys.
> 
> >>>> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time".  I'm talking about now.
> 
> >>> How can it apply to any time other than when the choice was made?
> 
> >> Simple:  there are new users all the time.
> 
> >>> And anytime afterwards prior experience would make it intuitive when
> >>> encountered in ksh, more, and an assortment of other programs that
> >>> copied the scheme to some extent.
> 
> >> And if you don't know the extent, then you might wind up using something
> >> that doesn't work.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:04:12 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>>> What I said is also actually true.  Where is the alleged difference?
> 
> >>> The only possible answer to this is to merely repeat what I've already
> >>> said,
> 
> >> That is, to repeat your pontification.
> 
> >>> that you deny.
> 
> >> With good reason.
> 
> >>> Repeating it again is pointless.
> 
> >> Especially without any supporting evidence.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:04:23 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>>>>>> Hitting escape merely requires a small wrist and hand strectch,
> >>>>>>> not a whole arm-swing.
> 
> >>>>>> Hitting the cursor keys merely requires a small wrist and hand stretch,
> >>>>>> not a whole arm-swing.
> 
> >>>>> No, not on the standard 101 (or 104) key keyboard layout.
> 
> >>>> You're now qualifying your statement.  Note that "standard" 101-key
> >>>> keyboards still have variations among them.
> 
> >>>>> Maybe you have a different type of keyboard.
> 
> >>>> I have several keyboards.
> 
> >>>>> The human wrist doesn't bend 90 degrees,
> 
> >>>> Irrelevant, given that I never said it does.
> 
> >>>>> and even if it did, that would put the fingers aimed sideways
> >>>>> and not at all lined up with the cursor keys.  Maybe, just maybe
> >>>>> you can get one pinkie there that way, but that is insufficient
> >>>>> to operate the keys painlessly.
> 
> >>>> Maybe, just maybe you can get one pinkie up to the Esc key, but
> >>>> that is insufficient to operate the key painlessly.
> 
> >>> False.
> 
> >> Independent of keybaord?
> 
> >>>>> The escape key is all by itself, one key, easy to 'whack' without
> >>>>> needing much accuracy (if you get all 'butterfingers' and slap the
> >>>>> key on the edge, that's good enough).
> 
> >>>> With other editors, I don't need to do that.
> 
> >>> Yeah I know - more precision is needed.
> 
> >> How would more precision be needed to NOT strike a key (because it is
> >> unnecesary)?
> 
> >>>>> The cursor keys require accuracy,
> 
> >>>> Incorrect; it's easy to undo an incorrect motion operation, and
> >>>> I have fewer of those than with hjkl.
> 
> >>> Okay, they only require accuracy if you don't want to waste your
> >>> time.
> 
> >> Waste your time?  You mean like changing modes?
> 
> >>>>> and they require the hand to remain there for a while while
> >>>>> you hit them several times,
> 
> >>>> Incorrect; my keyboard has autorepeat.  I just hold the key down.
> 
> >>> Notice the plural in the phrase "hit them several times".  Note I
> >>> did not say, "hit it several times".  Autorepeat doesn't help much
> >>> when you hit something like "up/up/left/left"
> 
> >> It can; it can cut the number of keystrokes in half.
> 
> >>>>> so hitting them with a twisted wrist, using your stretched
> >>>>> pinkie, doesn't work.
> 
> >>>> Works just as well as for the Esc key.
> 
> >>> I will never agree to that premise without a demonstration.  It
> >>> doesn't seem possible if you are a human being using a standard
> >>> keyboard.
> 
> >> Yet you expect me to agree to your premise without a demonstration.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:04:37 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>>>> There I go being presumptuous again.
> 
> >>>> More like a reading comprehension problem on your part.  You also thought
> >>>> that Aaron wrote that nothing is intuitive.
> 
> >>> No, I didn't, Mr Pendantic.
> 
> >> How ironic, considering your last posting.
> 
> >>> I just forgot to type it in one reply of many.
> 
> >> Forgetting to type it doesn't change the fact that you thought Aaron
> >> wrote something that he didn't write, Steve.  That's an example of a
> >> reading comprehension problem.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:04:56 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>>> My statement wasn't applied to "at the time".  I'm talking about now.
> 
> >>> You didn't say so.
> 
> >> I shouldn't need to say so for those who understand context.
> 
> >>> (See I can be a pendantic pain too.  Your game is fun.)
> 
> >> You're erroneously presupposing that I'm playing a game, Steve.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:05:10 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >>>> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>>>>>> I've adjusted my statement, to, "Okay, it does require a puny amount
> >>>>>>> of movment of the arm to get the pinkie up to the esc key, but it's
> >>>>>>> so tiny and trivial that it never entered into my consious thought,
> >>>>>>> and it doesn't fucking matter, since it it's merely a 'stretch'
> >>>>>>> motion, which doesn't make you lose your place, like a 'swing' motion
> >>>>>>> does.
> 
> >>>>>> I'll adjust my statement as well: "Okay, it does require a puny amount
> >>>>>> of movement of the arm to get the pinkie down to the cursor keys, but
> >>>>>> it's so tiny and trivial that it never entered into my conscious thought,
> >>>>>> and it doesn't matter, since it it's merely a 'stretch' motion, which
> >>>>>> doesn't make you lose your place, like a 'swing' motion does.
> 
> >>>>> You enjoy this game of replacing what I say fill-in-the-blank style,
> 
> >>>> Enjoyment has nothing to do with it.  I'm simply noting that whatever
> >>>> you can say about Esc can be applied equally well to the cursor keys.
> 
> >>>>> but the difference is that what I said was actually true.
> 
> >>>> What I said is also actually true.  Where is the alleged difference?
> 
> >>> Tholen...
> >>>   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >>>   remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> >> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> >> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >
> > When you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> > remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
> 
> > Or maybe you can offer yourself to one of the local Hawaiian volcano gods.
> 
> Or maybe you can learn to develop a civil tongue.  I won't hold my breath.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 17:05:18 -0500

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> 
> >> Steve Mading writes:
> 
> >>>>>>>> And that somehow makes the use of hjkl for cursor movement intuitive?
> 
> >>>>>>> It is neither intuitive nor non-intuitive, since the term is so
> >>>>>>> relative that you've have to spend a long time detailing all the
> >>>>>>> user's previous circumstances before you can make a statement
> >>>>>>> either way on it.
> 
> >>>>>> How many users have previous editor experience where the cursor is
> >>>>>> controlled by the hjkl keys?
> 
> >>>> Note:  no response.
> 
> >>> I don't have the timne to repeat the same fucking thing over and over.
> 
> >> But you do have the time to repeat the same erroneous argument over and
> >> over.  Interesting.
> 
> >>> You play a game where he with the most free time wins the debate
> 
> >> Balderdash.  You're erroneously presupposing that I'm playing a game.
> 
> >>> (just keep denying what the opponent says, and keep repeating the same
> >>> questions until the other guy quits.)
> 
> >> Is that what you're trying to do?
> 
> >>>> Why make an irrelevant point?  If you'd been paying attention, you'd
> >>>> already know that I've said that intuition is not an absolute.
> 
> >>> Yes, *And* you have made statements like "hjkl is not intuitive",
> >>> which CANNOT be made bare like that if intuitiveness is not absolute.
> 
> >> I have *not* made any statement like "hjkl is not intuitive".
> 
> >>> You aren't being consistent.
> 
> >> You aren't comprehending what I've written.  No surprise there, as
> >> you've also failed to comprehend what Aaron wrote.
> 
> >>>> I disagree.  Just because it isn't an absolute doesn't necessarily
> >>>> make it "vague and slippery".
> 
> >>>>> Unless you feel like getting pendantic enough to list zillions of
> >>>>> criteria, the term won't mean anything.
> 
> >>>> Funny how so many people make valid use of it without listing zillions
> >>>> of criteria.
> 
> >> Note:  no response.
> 
> >>>>> (This is not the same as what Aaron was saying, that nothing can be
> >>>>> intuitive.
> 
> >>>> That's not what he said.  He said that nothing about computers is
> >>>> intuitive.  He distinctly called a wagon intuitive.  It's now quite
> >>>> clear where the problem is:  you don't pay attention to what you
> >>>> read.
> 
> >>> Why assume reading comprehension problems?
> 
> >> Because there is a difference between what people have written and
> >> what you have claimed they have written.
> 
> >>> The problem in this case was typing too quickly.  I left off the
> >>> phrase "about computers" accidentally.
> 
> >> How convenient.
> 
> >>> Lay off the double-standard.
> 
> >> What alleged double standard?
> 
> >>> You constantly use shorthand and leave off the qualifiers when
> >>> you discuss intuitiveness.
> 
> >> I rely on context.  Quite a different thing.
> 
> >>>>> Things can be intuitive, but in a way that is not nearly
> >>>>> as universally applicable as the user interface designers trick
> >>>>> themselves into thinking.
> 
> >>>> Who said anything about "universally applicable"?
> 
> >>> You, every time you make a statement about intuitiveness
> >>> without qualifiers.
> 
> >> So, if I tell someone it's going to be windy tomorrow, you would
> >> take that as a claim that it will be windy everywhere in the
> >> Universe?  Context, Steve.
> 
> >>> Now, if you weren't so fucking pendantic with everyone else,
> >>> I'd be more willing to cut you some slack and not be pendantic
> >>> with you.
> 
> >> You're presupposing that I've been pedantic.
> 
> > Tholen...
> >    when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
> >    remember to slit lengthwise.
> 
> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
> 
> > Or...since you're in Hawaii....maybe you can offer yourself to the
> > volcano god.
> 
> Maybe you can learn to develop a civil tongue.  I won't hold my breath.


Tholen....
   it's YOU who should be apologizing.  Now remember Dave...
   when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
   remember to slit lengthwise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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