Linux-Advocacy Digest #909, Volume #32 Mon, 19 Mar 01 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... ("Zed Mister")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Andy Walker")
Re: the truth about linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux (Ed Allen)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("JD")
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:15:23 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 18 Mar 2001 16:17:15 -0600
<1sat6.212$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > You've never heard of a disassembler? It's not uncommon for people to
>> > disassemble huge parts of OS's to prove such things. The license
>agreement
>> > isn't valid if it's used to cover up illegal behavior, so the
>no-disassembly
>> > clause would not be an issue.
>>
>> So, your trying to tell me that the German Army should disassemble various
>> American closed source software to validate that there are no back-doors?
>
>No, I'm saying they should disassemble *ANY* software they use, regardless
>of where it comes from, even their own programmers. That is, if they're
>really THAT paranoid. If not, they have to put trust somewhere, and hope
>they don't get screwed.
I'll admit that's theoretically possible -- I did some work on
reassembling transistor subassemblies into CMOS logic gates back in
the mid-80's, for circuit verification -- but it's a more difficult
problem, in my estimation. (The code is now lost, mind you; it was
written in Whitesmith's C on VMS for an employer for whom I no longer work,
and haven't for more than a decade. It wasn't horribly pretty code,
either. :-) )
>
>> Have you EVER disassembled anything in your life? Do you grasp how huge a
>task
>> that is?
>
>For someone that does it for a living, not as huge as you might think.
>There are also tools that help to recreate assembly into pseudo-highlevel
>language.
This does not surprise me; if I can do it for transistors, some
bright hacker can do it for source code. :-)
The main issue might be meaningful variable names.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 43d:16h:45m actually running Linux.
Linux. The choice of a GNU generation.
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From: "Zed Mister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 19:32:30 -0800
I can understand your frustration. However, the lens flare IS 100% possible
with the technology in the xbox. There are API calls that can be made to
Direct3D 5, 6, 7, and 8 that perform the lens flare. As far as I know
Microsoft has already removed the demonstration screenshots in question and
replaced them with real screenshots from the games. Now, if Microsoft had
put the lens flare there when there was absolutely no way for the xbox to
actually deliver the lens flare, I would say that it was false
advertisement. However, it CAN. It just happens that game developers don't
use lens flare all that often because it is annoying.
With your hamburger example, sure the hamburger at BK looks like somebody
had sat on it for a couple of hours before it was served. That's mainly why
I haven't bought anything from BK or MacDonalds for over 3 years now. I, as
a consumer, have the choice of not buying something again once I experience
how crappy it is. I no longer believe advertisements. I do my own research
in whether or not a product will deliver by sampling and by asking others
whether they are satisfied with the product. You should try to do the same.
You don't have to eat the coco puff and marshmellow-packed cereals if you
don't want to. Nobody is forcing you to do it, so don't.
"Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:996d37$hmq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The point is, why wasn't there some sort of caption
> stating something like "image has been enhanced to
> show final-release visuals", or something like that?
> Why did they just try to quietly pass it off as final?
>
> It's like cereals that state "part of a nutritious
> breakfast!" on the box, and yet the ingredients
> show the cereal to be about as healthy as a plate
> of greasy double-chocolate chip cookies.
>
> Or how about hamburgers you see on TV... plump,
> hot, and fresh. And yet, you pick up an order
> at the local BK, and the burger looks like it
> has been sitting in the middle of the road for
> an hour.
>
> Frankly, I'm sick of all of these corporations
> trying to shovel bullshit into our mouths. It's
> a very condescending attitude on their part, IMHO.
>
> My point was, that I'm tired of being deceived about
> products that I willingly surrender my hard-earned
> dollars for.
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From: "Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 03:00:46 -0000
I wish they could get Flight Sim2000 working correctly without crashing
before they meddle with carrier deck launches !
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the truth about linux
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:56:19 -0500
GreyCloud wrote:
>
> Edward Rosten wrote:
> >
> > > The MSCEs also recommend defragging the hard drive once a week and fix
> > > the registry as well.
> > > I've never had to defrag under Solaris and I don't have a registry to
> > > fix.
> >
> > I've only once seen a harddrive that needed defragging under Linux. It
> > was abused with a cycle that went like this:
> >
> > Create a large bunch of small and medium sized files and a couple of
> > huge ones. Delete some and repeat hundreds of times.
> >
> > By the end, it couldn't sustain an 8x write on to a CD.
> >
> > -Ed
> >
> > --
> > Did you know that the oldest known rock is the famous |u98ejr
> > Hackenthorpe rock, which is over three trillion years |@
> > old? |eng.ox
> > -The Hackenthorpe Book of Lies |.ac.uk
>
> Thats once tho on Linux, but you should see the complaints in microsofts
> newsgroups!
> One is recommended to do this weekly service for the average home user.
> In this I'm referring to Win98SE, Win98, Win95, WinME. Unfortuanately
> for VMS, defragging was also needed and had to get software from Exec
> Soft to defrag a VAX hard drive. (But I ran it in the background all the
> time.)
> BTW, what does one use to defrag a linux filesystem??
The old way (1980s) was to use dump to make an image on a tape, erase
the filesystem, freeing ALL inodes and blocks (which, due to garbage
collection, become one contigous chunk of blocks), and then restore
the filesystem from your dump device (either a tape, or if faster
speed is needed, an appropriate sized raw partition set aside for
this purpose.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:01:35 -0500
Rex Ballard wrote:
>
> Another poor Wintroll hits the meat-grinder.
>
> Jon Johanson wrote:
> >
> > "Electric Ninja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:Wpht6.28385$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > For getting work done I love Win2000 like a charm
> > > but I'm scared to death to
> > > have something like that running one of our aircraft carriers.
> >
> > Why? It works as well as any other server OS...
>
> You're kidding, right?
>
> Yes, Window 2000 really is 3 times more reliable than Windows NT.
> Windows 2000 is the best Operating system Microsoft has developed to
> date.
>
> Compared to Netware 3.5, Windows 2000 is pretty impressive (even though
> Windows 2000 need 10 times the memory, hard-drive, and CPU speed to do
> the same job).
>
> Compared to AT&T System III, Windows 2000 is also pretty respectable.
>
> Compared to any modern version of UNIX (including Linux), Microsoft has
> a very long way to go...
>
> To put it politely, you need lots and lots (about 30) of Windows 2000
> servers to the work that a single Linux or UNIX machine performs on a
> regular basis.
>
> Microsoft has tried to come up with some cute little benchmarks and
> tests, which use none of the current 3rd party software, to attempt
> to prove that DataCenter Edition in the "Standard Configuration", is
> as reliable as Linux or Solaris.
>
> To do the reliability tests, they run all drives in RAID 1, front-end
> and back-end pairs each being a 4-way SMP server such as a Netfinity.
> Then they run web server asps connected to SQL Server back-ends.
> Actuall cost of the system - just for the royalties - approaches
> $1/2 million for the four-by-four (16 processors at $20k each).
>
> To do the performance tests, they run the drives in RAID 0, with larger
> tables split across multiple servers, and strong effinity. It's fast,
> but unreliable. And the costs assume less than $50,000 per year for
> staffing and support of all servers and users.
>
> I've read the "Fast Facts" pages, they come up every time a company
> studies the choice between Linux, Unix (Solaris, AIX, HP_UX, or BSD).
>
> My all-time favorite is the one where a lab attempts to "Prove" that
> Windows NT will have a lower TCO because you will need Solaris AND
> Netware servers (since this guy never heard of SAMBA), and you will
> need only 3 servers per 1,000 users. He also gave a minimum price
> of $25,000 for the Solaris box compared to $2,000 for NT.
>
> The Iloveyou virus alone caused nearly $2.6 billion in damages, and the
> breaching strategy was copied from Melissa, a virus that Microsoft had
> supposedly "cured". Other viruses weren't as widely distributed, but
> they corrupted hard drives, wiped out critical files, and pushed
> confidential information (cookies, passwords, e-mail) through
> corporate fire-walls.
>
> Reality and real-world performance have consistently shown that even
> Linux 2.2.17 can run circles around Windows NT and Windows 2000 when
> it comes to the overall combination of performance, stability,
> security, ROI, TCO, and ROE.
>
> Within the UNIX world, Linux on Intel is usually considered the lower
> end of the spectrum of UNIX systems (even though Linux clusters now
> compete favorably with the largest and fastest clusters and mainframes).
>
> Both Sun and IBM are now offering their RISC versions of UNIX on servers
> costing under $1000. Linux 2.4.1 kernel supports nearly all of the
> features of the biggest supercomputers, and is now available on
> everything from Pentiums to Z-900 supercomputers.
>
> With Linux/UNIX, the standards are published, and supported by Open
> Source software.
>
> With Windows NT/2000 the standards are proproprietary, closed,
> incompatible with existing infrastructure, and create security
> exposures that are well-known by many and can be exploited by
> middle-school kids.
>
> Linux has a number of engineering advantages, most of which are
> available in open source, which Microsoft is unable to exploit
> because they bet the entire company that UNIX wasn't going to
> ever be a viable platform.
>
> Perhaps SCO will let them start marketing UNIX again :-).
>
> Linux - 100 million and counting.
>
> --
> Rex Ballard
> IT Architect
> http://www.open4success.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:01:02 GMT
In article <rBnt6.88480$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Not everyone uses supercomputers. For the masses, Win2K is the fastest
>clustering solution you can buy (or can't buy, as the case may be).
>See www.tpc.org.
At $20K per CPU I hardly think masses of people will even look at
W2K.
You are also ignoring that Bill wants to play in this ballpark but
cannot manage it without benchmarketing.
Those tpc numbers which excite you so much are under dispute and may
have to be withdrawn.
>
>The Linux clusters are accomplished only by stringing together hundreds
>of machines. It doesn't speak much about Linux that it's so low-performance
>that you need to string hundreds of machines to achieve any respectable
>performance.
>
Using old machines which were going to be trashed a clinic in Peru
put together a Beowulf cluster.
The women who live on the mountain above the town used to have to
walk to the town, catch the train into the city, stay in a hotel
overnight, get their MRI done the next morning, reverse the process
to get home.
These are poor families, staying overnight at a hotel let alone
the arduous journey kept many from being tested.
The clinic got a donated scanner and uses that Beowulf cluster to
process the images in minutes so she can go home or begin treatment
that same day.
That cluster has saved more than one life.
Cheap computing has value beyond serving up your porn collection.
>So? Stringing together hundreds of boxes isn't something to really
>be proud of, necessarily. And even so, they're just competeing with
>Unix, for the most part. For the rest of the world, there's Windows.
>
They are the most powerful computers in the world. None of the
top thirty run NT.
That does not mean that Windows is powerful, scalable, or fast.
>In terms of how the world uses computing, this is a small portion of it.
>Granted, it is the largest portion in terms of MIPS, but in terms of
>people using them, many more people use Windows every day for servers
>and desktops. Linux is still a niche OS.
>
Yes there are far more desktops than any other kind of computer but
they are confined to a narrow range of one architecture.
Linux uses the same kernel on everything from a 64-bit z900
supercomputer down to wristwatches.
That is scalability. Not with separate source trees for embedded,
desktops, and clusters.
>>
>> Oil companies, biotech companies, and financial houses are hardly
>> what I would class as dead end jobs.
>>
These are some examples of the unimportant industries that you think
are "just a niche" ?
Bills' vision is Windows everywhere. When will he be paying
attention to these "niches" ? How is he going to address them
without "Stringing together hundreds of boxes" ?
>> The Linux community is putting together several "Supercomputer On A
>> CD" distros so these clusters will become more common and the
>> knowledge of how to put them together and keep them tuned up will be
>> within the reach of every highschool science club.
>>
>> This is the territory Bill is aching about getting in to and Linux
>> is here first and widening the gap.
>
>Not really. Bill goes after the big bucks, not some geeky niche.
I have noticed that you do not respond to the points presented.
Instead you try to throw in a barb hoping that the response will
focus on that and ignore that you did not refute anything or present
any counter evidence.
Max is right Erik is smarter than you. You are destined to remain a
sock-puppet junior grade I am afraid.
>
>> I would let someone else show him this list if I were you, he has been
>> known to spit and throw things when he is unhappy.
>>
>> <TITLE>Bookmarks for Chad Meyers</TITLE>
>
>It's "Myers", fuckwit.
>
I might as well have spelled it "Boneheaded, shit for brains moron"
for all anybody but you cares.
--
GPL says
"What's mine is ours,
If you make *OUR* stuff better the result is still ours."
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From: "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:07:24 -0500
"Graham Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In gnu.misc.discuss, "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Free software obviously means that it can be passed on to other people with
> > no restrictions.
>
> That is not at all obvious. Mention of often made of free speech and
> free beer, but what about the concept of free as in "free man"?
>
Free software being the same as 'free man' is rather absurd. Software has
no will. In fact, software has less will than a cat or dog, probably less than
a cockroach.
John
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 23:04:03 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Chad Myers wrote:
> >>
> >> "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > In article <va9t6.87051$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > >"GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > >> Ed Allen wrote:
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > In article <cCOs6.82336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >> > >> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > >It's alright, laugh it up. I know you're really just jealous
> >> > >> > >because you know that I'm right. You know that the only company
> >> > >> > >who really takes Linux seriously (if that's what it really is)
> >> > >> > >is IBM, and IBM has a poor track history with desktop and
> >> > >> > >small-server OSen.
> >> > >> > I suppose that is true if you have a secret definition for
> >> > >> > "seriously" like Erik likes to do.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > How many more millions does Intel need to invest to qualify in
> >> > >> > your private definition ?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Lets not forget that AMD is encouraging Linux developers to use their
> >> > >> > coming 64-bit chips. They don't qualify, why ?
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > SGI does not qualify either. Why not ? They are planning to add
> >> > >> > their NUMA technology and sell Itanium cluster machines.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Then too, all the universities using Linux to put together their
> >> > >> > own Supercomputers are not companies either.
> >> > >> > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1113447
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > What do you think the graduating students will recommend for use
> >> > >> > at their new jobs ?
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Yes, a very excellent point!
> >> > >
> >> > >It's a very common problem.
> >> > >
> >> > >Universities using archaic or esoteric systems to teach their students,
> >> > >and then when the students graduate and get out into the real world
> >> > >where companies have to make money, they realize they know nothing
> >> > >necessary to compete.
> >> > >
> >> > >Meanwhile, the intelligent individuals who decided not to waste
> >> > >their time on worthless university "computer science", and instead
> >> > >decided to learn the hot technologies that pay well and are making
> >> > >a fortune and are in high demand, even in today's economy.
> >> > >
> >> > >Those students may suggest it to their employers, but their employers
> >> > >will laugh because they know the truth about linux.
> >> > >
> >> > I suspected you might ignore my refutation of your false claim and
> >> > make another to change the subject, hoping nobody would notice.
> >> >
> >> > Sorry Chad sock-puppets do not think or write well without their
> >> > masters' hand up their butt.
> >> >
> >> > I don't usually post HTML but this one's for you and I would not
> >> > want to strain your little neuron.
> >> >
> >> > The first one is the *only* link I have seen for a W2K cluster.
> >> > It is one tenth as powerful as one of the Linux links beneath it.
> >>
> >> Not everyone uses supercomputers. For the masses, Win2K is the fastest
> >> clustering solution you can buy (or can't buy, as the case may be).
> >> See www.tpc.org.
> >
> >Do "the masses" have $80,000 to spend in licensing fees to get lower
> >performance than can be obtained with $100 worth of Linux CD's?
> >
> >
>
> LIES LIES LIES! Debian is less than $15 from cheapbytes
> and even cheaper if you know what the internet is about.
>
Thanks for setting me straight, Charlie.
The Microsoft:Linux initial COST ratio isn't
800:1, as i mistakenly suggested...it's 5333:1...or higher!
> >
> >
> >>
> >> The Linux clusters are accomplished only by stringing together hundreds
> >> of machines. It doesn't speak much about Linux that it's so low-performance
> >> that you need to string hundreds of machines to achieve any respectable
> >> performance.
> >
> >Must be why 1-, 2-, 4-, and 8-CPU mother boards always perform BETTER
> >when running Linux than when running LoseDOS.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> > The second one explains that Linux clusters are rapidly climbing to
> >> > the top of the list of largest supercomputers.
> >>
> >> So? Stringing together hundreds of boxes isn't something to really
> >> be proud of, necessarily.
> >
> >Can you take 100 80386 boxes destined for the trash bin, and hook
> >them together to get supercomputer performance using any WINDOWS
> >product?
> >
> >a) yes
> >B) HELL NO!
> >
> >
> >Can you do this with Linux?
> >
> >a) no
> >B) HELL YES!
> >
> >
> >Ask the department at the Oakridge, TN nuclear weapons facility which
> >needed the throughput of a CRAY supercomputer, but didn't have the funds...
> >but were able to build a supercomputer and get the throughput and
> >performance they need using nothing other than old 80386 and 80486
> >machines collected from the trash-heaps of other departments.
> >
> >Let's see you try that with Mafia$oft operating systems
> >
> >Oh...and notice that Macneil Schwindler Corporation, the vendor of the
> >most widely used Finite Element Analysis software is now advertising
> >for Linux-people to go around to their most computationally demanding
> >customer sites and install:
> >
> > LINUX CLUSTERS
> >
> >...to run their high-end products.
> >
> >Why is that?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> And even so, they're just competeing with
> >> Unix, for the most part. For the rest of the world, there's Windows.
> >>
> >> > How do you think working on and building clusters big enough to be
> >> > ranked among the top 500 supercomputers in the world deserves to be
> >> > labeled "using archaic or esoteric systems" ?
> >>
> >> In terms of how the world uses computing, this is a small portion of it.
> >> Granted, it is the largest portion in terms of MIPS, but in terms of
> >> people using them, many more people use Windows every day for servers
> >> and desktops. Linux is still a niche OS.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Oil companies, biotech companies, and financial houses are hardly
> >> > what I would class as dead end jobs.
> >> >
> >> > The Linux community is putting together several "Supercomputer On A
> >> > CD" distros so these clusters will become more common and the
> >> > knowledge of how to put them together and keep them tuned up will be
> >> > within the reach of every highschool science club.
> >> >
> >> > This is the territory Bill is aching about getting in to and Linux
> >> > is here first and widening the gap.
> >>
> >> Not really. Bill goes after the big bucks, not some geeky niche.
> >>
> >> > I would let someone else show him this list if I were you, he has been
> >> > known to spit and throw things when he is unhappy.
> >> >
> >> > <TITLE>Bookmarks for Chad Meyers</TITLE>
> >>
> >> It's "Myers", fuckwit.
> >>
> >> <snip: html post>
> >>
> >> -c
> >
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >Unix Systems Engineer
> >DNRC Minister of all I survey
> >ICQ # 3056642
> >
>
> The rest of this I agree with.
>
> Charlie
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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