Linux-Advocacy Digest #937, Volume #30 Sun, 17 Dec 00 02:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Conclusion ("Otto")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Jim Richardson)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Woofbert)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Woofbert)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (glitch)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... ("Monkeyboy")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (B. P. Uecker)
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 04:17:06 GMT
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> And what OSes are less of an administrative headache?
Well, Windows has gone a long way into making administrative tasks easier,
and more straightforward. Apple is showing that UNIX can be powerful and
simple to administer. And for the diehard maschorist, editing the legacy
UNIX settings is also available.
> > Exactly, it was invented in the 60's, instituted in the 70's, and
abandoned
> > in the 90's. Why? Because the OS is a whole component, it's programs
are
> > another component. Blending the two togather is an unnessecary,
complicated
> > and dumb idea when we no longer have to resolve issues as "terminal
> > compatibility" and "technological propriotorization".
> >
>
> And does Linux blend them together more than other OSes?
No, Linux splits the user interface and treats it like it were a program.
UNIX did this because IT HAD NO CHOICE. Linux does this because...???
Well, the CLAIMS are pretty lame, ("Winloosers" is the worst excuse I've
ever herd for keeping Linux being as intuitave as a rectal exam.)
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 04:18:39 GMT
Your kidding, right?
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> > Here's a fucking concept, just PLUG IT IN.
> >
> > Doesn't work? Put in the CDROM that "it" is asking for, and get about
your
> > business.
> >
> > That's something that Linux can NEVER copy.
>
> Why should I have to install a CD just to install a device. Case in point:
> when I installed my HP Laserjet 6P in Linux, it was just a matter of
> making a few choices. With Windows, I had to use a separate CD, hunt
> down the drivers, and install them. Why does Windows make it so hard?
>
> Colin Day
>
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Reply-To: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 04:39:13 GMT
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91h4vb$1rse$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: I wasn't talking about NT, I was talking about Windows. Big difference.
: Besides, even if I had said NT, I would be referring also to W2K --
"Windows
: 2000, Built with NT Technology" or so the Microsoft tagline goes. I know
: Netcraft can't get reliable numbers from NT, and *gasp* so do they. We're
: talking about W2K, which Netcraft does have good numbers for. Not a great
: deal yet, but enough to go off of.
Maybe you should be more clear in your posting...
: All of the points you bring up have been hashed over and hashed over.
There
: are several things to consider:
:
: 1) Netcraft can filter for most such problems as load balancing, because
: the numbers they get have a typical signature. Random values would be one
: way to realize that the numbers you're seeing are to be discounted.
Load balanced servers seldom have same uptimes, Netcraft might connect to
server01 on the first day and serverx on the next and so on. Not to mention
that some of the load balancers might reply to Netcraft directly. The report
will be on some switch and not on the web server.
: 2) If going through a proxy, great, Netcraft measures the proxy box, not
: the web servers. If you're scenario is correct, then Netcraft reports the
: Unix, not the NT. So what? There are plenty of NT sites out there that
: don't use balancing, which can be reported on. Besides, this is true for
: Unix sites as well, so it should balance out.
So what? It means that the numbers are not accurate at best. Besides, if
Netcraft reports Unix instead of NT wouldn't it mean that all of the uptime
for Unix is actually NT :)?
: 3) The statement you quote has nothing to do with your arguments. You
: should have selected something more apropos than what you did.
How about this quote from Netcraft's web site:
"HP-UX, Linux, Solaris and recent releases of FreeBSD also cycle back to
zero after 497 days"
In theory, there should be no more than 497 days uptime reported for those
systems. Nonetheless it does not stop Netcraft to post numbers otherwise.
: 4) No one claimed Netcraft numbers were 100% accurate. I only claimed
that
: they were accurate enough to get some information from. Your argument
seems
: to be that because the numbers aren't 100% correct they must be 0%
correct.
: It seems to me there are a bunch of levels in between... or perhaps you
only
: like boolean logic.
At least you admitted that there's flaw in Netcraft's numbers, which seems
to favor the *nix platform and it shows in their numbers. That explains why
NT 4.0 isn't in the survey, despite having sizable market share on the web
server market.
Otto
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:27:29 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:23:06 GMT,
The Ghost In The Machine, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
<snip>
>Actually, to be extremely silly about it, Notepad is a wrapper
>around some sort of text widget, as far as I can tell.
>But yes, it's a basic, somewhat useful text editor -- one of
>several on Windows/DOS: edlin (yuck!) and edit (not too bad)
>being the other two (wordpad and write understand fonts, so they're
>more like basic word processors).
>
>And, as far as I can tell anyway, there's not a lot of common code
>between them.
>
I am reminded that somewhere around the net, I saw a TkNotepad which the author
wrote on a bet that he could duplicate Notepad, in <24hrs, in TCLTK. Did a nice
job of it too.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 05:51:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Woofbert
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 11:43:43 GMT
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> [snip interesting stuff]
>
> >Tritium has a half-life of 10 years, so there isn't any in seawater. It
> >has to be made from Lithium.
> >(http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/nucene/fusion.html#c5)
>
> Dumb questions -- how much energy does it take to make an atom of
> tritium from lithium, how much lithium is floating around (on
> the crust, or in seawater, or whatever), and does the fusion
> reaction reclaim this energy?
These are dumb questions only because they will make the
fusion-proponents act as if struck dumb.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>, InfernoSoft Datadroid
http://www.infernosoft.com/company/techsupport.html
"Inside every Microsoft application, there are
several simple programs trying to get out."
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:07:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I think that most liberals would feel better about the death penalty if
> it were fairly and justly applied.
I think you're mistaken. While an important part of the opinions against
the death penalty come from how unfairly it is applied, many people
believe that the death penalty is simply unjust. The United States is
the only Western nation that has the death penalty; the other Western
nations tend to think it's barbaric.
Germany, for instance, outlawed the death penalty in its Basic Law
adopted in 1949.
>As it stands, there are significant
> racial and geographic disparities, and most inmates on death row
> received incompetent legal defense. It's not possible to crack down on
> criminals without aggravating these problems. That's why Clinton just
> last Friday put a 6th month delay on the latest federal execution.
>
> I would rather have the crimes commited by the criminals than by the
> State.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>, InfernoSoft Datadroid
http://www.infernosoft.com/company/techsupport.html
"Inside every Microsoft application, there are
several simple programs trying to get out."
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:38:30 -0500
From: glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius
based on my typing skills for the subject im not the 'auther' of the
article, lol
glitch wrote:
>
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/503816.asp
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From: "Monkeyboy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:44:58 GMT
"Woofbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I think that most liberals would feel better about the death penalty if
> > it were fairly and justly applied.
>
> I think you're mistaken. While an important part of the opinions against
> the death penalty come from how unfairly it is applied, many people
> believe that the death penalty is simply unjust. The United States is
> the only Western nation that has the death penalty; the other Western
> nations tend to think it's barbaric.
(deletia)
What's barbaric is to let someone like that couple in Belgium who killed all
those people, after torturing them, live.
Or that nut in England who shot those kids at a school. THAT is barbaric. 3
meals a day and a comfy bed, maybe even cable T.V. for the rest of their
lives?
For what? Killing others? They denied others the right to live. Why should
theirs be upheld?
M
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From: B. P. Uecker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:55:31 -0600
John W. Stevens wrote in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>If this is the sticking point . . . then Linux will win hands down.
>Linux TCO is much lower than Windows TCO is.
Ha ha ha! Good one! Ever tried to support Linux on the desktop? I
thought not.
>The distributed, open nature of the Linux support paradigm automatically
>makes it better and more responsive.
Huh huh..."paradigm"...cool! Nice to see that open source not only
makes your dick bigger, but it magically makes software more
responsive (er...fallacious logic alert!).
>> Try telling a secretary who has been using Word or Wordperfect to
>> switch to StarOffice or even the rube-goldberg-wino version of Linux
>> Wordperfect and see what happens.
>
>Been there, done that. No problems. What else you got for me?
A big, fat, wet kiss!
>Nobody will go belly up 'cause of a choice of OS, regardless of what
>that OS is.
Typical extremist statement from a religious zealot. Go ahead and
deploy Linux on the desktop...the company you work for may not go
belly up, but you will soon be scanning the want ads.
>If I spoke for HP --- there probably wouldn't BE an HP!
Given the sad nature of HP support, that wouldn't be unfortunate.
What can you say about a major manufacturer that uses a 900 number for
tech support. And, what a coincidence, you just happen to work for
them. I think I'll take anything you post with a few tons of salt.
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