Linux-Advocacy Digest #937, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 16:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it ("Scot Mc Pherson")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (Chad Everett)
Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls. (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Red Hat (Gnome) is faster then Mandrake (KDE) ?!?! ("Scot Mc Pherson")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (Chad Everett)
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Roberto Alsina)
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? (Chad Everett)
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism (.)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:45:42 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Yes, the x-windows based gui's that were available in 1988 were
> > fairly primative...however, by the early 1990's, they were VERY
> > much more sophisticated.
> >
> > Such as multiple desktops (still not implemented in Windows), implemented
> in
> > the CDE GUI in the early 1990's, and is standard in ALL modern Unix GUI's.
>
> Do you have real evidence that this is an important feature?
Do you have any real evidence that convenience and productivity are
*NOT* important features?
Go to ANY business which uses Unix, and tell the users that you're
going to replace their current GUI with one that doesn't support
multiple desktops, and see what the reaction is.
> I had a
> utility to do this with Windows back in the 90s...and I never used it. Not
Yeah, I've tried several on Windows...and they all sucked because Windows
is so freaking SLOW.
> that my opinion is more important than yours, but your opinion is no more
> important than mine either. I have never missed multiple desktops on Mac or
> on Windows.
That's because you've never used it on a system that was truly capable
of handling it.
You're like the guy who doesn't understand what the big deal is about
the wheel and axle....because the wagon he had was manufactured with
square wheels, and didn't seem to change a thing.
>
> > icons for frequently used tools on a task bar (not until Windows98,
> implemented
> > in CDE in the early 1990s', and is standard in ALL modern Unix GUI's.
>
> I concede this point. But there were plenty of freeware/shareware apps that
> provided this capability so it's really not that big of a deal
>
> > symbolic links....implemented in Windows98....implemented in Unix in the
> > early 1970's.
>
> Useful, but not really a GUI function.
>
> >
> > Pre-emptive multi-tasking. Implemented by Microsoft in windows
> 1995....implemented
> > in Unix in 1969.
>
> Useful, but not really a GUI function.
>
> > Need I go on...
>
> Please do. And include some justification for your claim that Unix GUIs
> have shallower learning curves than Windows or Macintosh. You throw this
> "fact" around like it's common knowledge, but I doubt you have any reliable
> data to that effect.
The Unix GUIs are more internally consistant. Every time you have an
inconsistancy, that's another "special case" that the user has to learn
and remember. More things to learn and remember => steeper learning curve.
QED the Windows GUI is more difficult to learn than Unix GUIs.
>
> > > why, if that is the case, are they so much easier to use?
> >
> > Probably because you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>
> Oh, that's very constructive. Thanks for the insight.
Now that you've admitted the problem, go forth and remedy it.
I suggest attending a world-class university.
>
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:46:24 GMT
Steve and friends,
Here is an excerpt from the FAQ which is the page that Steve directed us
to:
Is Red Hat now charging for software updates?
No. On March 16 Red Hat discontinued anonymous access to Red Hat Network
through the Update Agent (up2date). You now have two choices for free
software updates:
if you register with Red Hat Network, you get a free subscription to
Software Manager and can use Update Agent with your RHN username.
if you don't want to register, the same software updates will continue to be
available for free download from our public FTP servers (ftp.redhat.com) and
mirror sites worldwide.
What this means to us is that we have to ftp our software updates when out
trial RHN subscriptions end.
Is this a violation of the GNU GPL? Nope...the GPL prevent people from
modifying or reselling GPL'd software. The software RedHat is using is their
own. It might run on a GPL platform, but that is OK. There is nothing in the
GPL that prevents people from doing so, in fact it is somewhat encouraged by
the community. The GPL is NOT related one iota to a service provided. The
breadth you have given to the GPL Steve, means that I am not allowed to
charge for an onsite visit to repair and maintain a client system.
ITS A DAMN SERVICE...thats how companies make their money with OSF, GPL and
FSF software...the money is in the service, service, service. And its OK,
ok, ok.....
*plonk*
--
Scot Mc Pherson
N27° 19' 56"
W82° 30' 39"
"Steve Chaney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I didn't know whether or not RedHat would try and boff the linux
> community up the back door, but it looks like they will try after all.
>
> Is RedHat making like a dog taking off at high speed and forgetting it
> is chained by the neck, or will it stop here? My bet is they are
> taking the first leaps in a quest to turn their version of Linux into
> a paid subscription product.
>
> What am I talking about?
> http://www.redhat.com/products/network/service_changes.html
> (Credits: first seen on slashdot.org:
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/19/156208&mode=thread)
>
> A few excerpts from the FAQ page:
> "On February 26, 2001 Red Hat will be releasing Software Manager, our
> new software update management tool. Software Manager will replace the
> introductory Red Hat Network trial program, which will be ending that
> day."
>
> "Software Manager is a subscription offering priced at $19.95 per
> month for each system."
>
> "Can I still use up2date anonymously to download packages? No. All
> users of up2date will need a Red Hat Network login and a system
> profile for the target machine. If you try to use up2date anonymously,
> you will be prompted to set up a login and use rhn_register to create
> a system profile. You will then receive a digital certificate that
> lets you authenticate and continue as usual."
>
>
> Can we say manual updates? Well, at least for now, perhaps. But very
> soon they are likely to try and find a way to do away with this as
> well.
>
> Place your bets!!!
> 1) Will RedHat try and take this to the point where even manual
> upgrades are impossible (at least through their FTP server)?
> 2) If so, will the GPL act like the proverbial dog leash and give
> RedHat a rude awakening when they cross The Line?
>
> Heheh.
>
>
> -- Steve
>
> ===============================
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove the "-" to email me)
> This site is just TOO COOL for a counter! http://www.self-acceptance.org
> "As long as an enemy is judged solely by his
> appearance, his victory is assured." - Outer Limits
> STOP SMOKING NOW!!! ASK ME HOW!!! http://www.geocities.com/brenduh52/
> The alt.bonehead.jim-dutton FAQ @
http://www.best.com/~paladin/jjd-faq.shtml
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:46:27 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:18:58 -0500, Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> you KNOWINGLY LIED, and there's no squirming out of it...JACKASS!
>>
>>
>
>Let me ask you a question. Could a large office full of secretaries easily
>used a multitasking OS using the command line? Or a CEO of a company. I
>admitted it was technically possible to do it but given that apps ran so
>damned slow on an old 8086/88 why would they?
>
>
What the heck are you talking about?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft Crushes the Hearts of Trolls.
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:46:48 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, LShaping
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 14 Mar 2001 03:02:02 GMT
<KaBr6.52950$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> LShaping wrote:
>> >
>> > "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > LShaping wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >There's a general rule: programmers tend to use constructs which
>are
>> > > > >faster to write in the selected language, as opposed to the ones
>which
>> > > > >execute faster.
>> > > >
>> > > > Right. That gets to my point. Some of us want to get things done
>and
>> > > > do not have the time to spend on details. Low level languages are
>> > > > more detailed and take a lot of writing to produce better results,
>if
>> > > > you have the time. And to the Linux lunatics. There is such a
>thing
>> > > > which grownups use, called "tools". Some of you who oppose
>Microsoft
>> > > > seem to be stuck in a simplistic sandbox with your Linux bucket and
>> > > > scoop, not being able to do anything more than a million simple
>> > > > operations. I imagine that is one reason why you have failed. If a
>> > > > programmer is not willing to venture into the real world of modern
>> > > > computing, then he will be left behind in the sand. I would love to
>> > > > have a more efficient operating system than Windows, but command
>line
>> > > > stuff is for the birds.
>>
>> The command line of bash is cool. Very powerful and arcane, like Perl.
>> In any case, you don't need it to run UNIX... in almost every way,
>> the UNIX GUIs are superior to even Win 2K's GUI.
>> Chris
>
>The obvious fact is that the graphical user interface has become a
>fundamental part of a personal computer operating system. I do not recall
>hearing of UNIX being a PC OS.
That's because it is not a PC OS. However, a desktop iNTEL machine
is hardly deserving of the name 'PC' anyway, at least for post-Pentium
stuff; I wonder how the modern desktop workstation compares to, say,
the now-dismantled ILLIAC IV, an old IBM 4341, or a YMP-2. I know it
can run rings around a VAX 11/750 (0.5 MIPS, a few megabytes), which was
a state of the art mini in the early-to-mid 80's.
SMP machines are going to make things even more interesting -- if they
haven't already.
However, I do question as to whether such things as detachable menus
and button bars, slowly-disappearing popup menus and dialogs,
rollovers that change color, that "peekaboo" side control bar
(was that just an auto-hiding left side task bar? I don't remember now),
highly responsive refresh during window resizing (one of the nicer
features of IE, although it's more or less purely cosmetic),
tabbed dialog items which look like folders in a filing cabinet,
the notion that "folder = directory", .LNK shortcuts in lieu of
soft links, transparently storing a hard link + a series of deltas
to a file when copying it (and then later editing it), as opposed to
copying all of the data (pages/blocks/clusters/sectors) in a file
(I don't know if that made it into XP or not), plug and play (anyone
else remember AutoConfig(tm) [*] by Amiga?) and the absolutely
stupid Common Dialog file requester with the braindead horizontal
scrollbar which by now everyone's used to, although they probably
hate its guts, can be counted as true "innovations".
Useful, perhaps, and in some cases highly visible.
Maybe I'm just too old to properly appreciate the "ease of computing"
today. I still remember typing commands to VMS (and creating DCL scripts)
which rival anything on Unix today (DCL is powerful, albeit rather
idiosyncratic -- well, so is BASH) and completely outclass Microsoft's
pathetic .BAT file syntax (can .BAT files extract a single bit and
test it from a variable? At least it understands FOR loops -- but
that's about it).
One nice thing about GUI's -- they're self-documenting. :-)
(OK, so that's damning with faint praise.)
>AFAIK, the prosecution is not even
>considering separating the GUI from Windows, and they have a fairly basic
>idea of the OS.
So does everyone else; a non-techie may not care whether the kernel
is part of the OS or is the OS, and whether the DLLs surrounding the
kernel (in Linux, they're in paths specified by /etc/ld.so.conf, and
usually include /lib, /usr/lib, and /usr/X11R6/lib) and executables
in $PATH (usually including /bin, /usr/bin, and /usr/X11R6/bin)
are part of the OS, or not.
However, to the well-informed techie, these may be important, especially
if said techie is expected to manage the system (with its hardware,
its OS, its applications, and its data), and the user (they may or may
not be the same) wants stability.
>LShaping
>
>
[*] Yes, Commodore (?) trademarked it at one point. Dunno if it's expired
or what.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
EAC code #191 43d:11h:52m actually running Linux.
>>> Make Signatures Fast! <<<
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From: "Scot Mc Pherson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Red Hat (Gnome) is faster then Mandrake (KDE) ?!?!
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:47:59 GMT
The video card is DIRECTLY related to desktop performance...The video card
renders the graphics and the rendering is intelligent IOW if you can't see
it yet the computer knows.
--
Scot Mc Pherson
N27° 19' 56"
W82° 30' 39"
"peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Right now I've got two linux systems running, one running Mandrake 7.1
> and the other running RH 6.1 .
>
> The Mandrake X-windows runs KDE and the RH uses Gnome (I think), but
> the RH is much faster (32 megs of memory in each, for now). I'm
> probably going to try and find 32 megs of 72 pin simms for the
> mandrake machine, but this may that a while.
>
> The CPU's are the same, but the mandrake uses a S3 trio 64 (2 megs)
> and the RH uses a trident ProVidia (4 meg), I don't think the video
> matters, it must be the Desktop.
>
> Now, what are the big differences between KDE and Gnome, which is
> faster, better, etc ? Are there any other options ? I would love to
> run 128 megs, but that's not going to happen, unless someone sends me
> some or I built a new computer system (Dimms are cheaper than, simms
> right now).
>
> I thought both KDE and Gnome would be memory hogs and 32 megs would
> not be enough, but it seems that Gnome doesn't do too bad with 32
> megs, the only problem is that I like mandrake more than RH, I'd
> rather use mandrake, is there anyway to switch from KDE to Gnome,
> without a new install ( the install took 80 minutes!!! ) ?
>
>
>
> Thanks for your help,
>
>
> Peter
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:50:01 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 14:26:43 -0500, Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Basically, we're goddamned fucking SICK AND TIRED of donkey-raping
>> shit-eaters like yourself who continously LIE about Linux and Unix.
>>
>> Now, be a good little retard and go fuck yourself, JACKASS!
>>
>
>
>Really. Wow... all I said was it would be nice if some Linux people acted
>more professional for the sake of getting Linux in the door at certain
>places. Actually I never said anything about Unix and Linux, I was talking
>about the people who represent it. I also was attempting to give some
>advice on how some corporations percieve Linux as a good technology but not
>enough in the overall solution.
>
>If these comments are detrimental then you can point out why.
>
>
Be realistic. Do you really think people check comp.os.linux.advocacy
when they are making decisions about computing in their org. Where
I work, people consider Solaris, Linux, Irix, HPUX, AIX, and sometimes
NT for real computing work. Windows NT and 2000 get assigned to the folks
typing memos and powerpoint presentations.
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 17:47:56 -0300
Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
> JD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"Rob S. Wolfram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>> That is a blatant and deceitful lie. You are *not* allowed to
>>> redistribute the software *unless* you either retain the copyright
>>> notice, list of conditions and disclaimer (when redistributing source)
>>> or have your program produce these (when distributing binaries).
>>>
>>Please look at the FreeBSD source code, and you'll notice that each
>>file contains the copyright notice, and as such can be given to a
>>friend.
>
> As is every piece of GPLed source code on my Debian disks. So this is
> irrelevant.
Not every file licensed under the GPL can be given to a friend, according
to RMS. I had written many files licensed under the GPL, and he told me not
to give them to my friends.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:52:50 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Klaus-Georg Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:12:55 GMT, Chad Myers
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >So? Stringing together hundreds of boxes isn't something to really
> > > > >be proud of, necessarily.
> > > >
> > > > Unless you can set a TPC record by doing it, apparently.
> > >
> > > That would be the only way Linux could win, really.
> > >
> > > However, if you look at the Windows results, it only took a few
> > > boxes. No armies and armies necessary as in the Linux examples.
> >
> > Which results might you be talking about? If you look up TPC-C results,
> > the top performer used 192 Intel PIII Xeon @ 700 MHz. Sure looks like
> > an army of boxes to me. Even the #10 in the list of clustered results
> > used 48 CPUs.
>
> 192 = 24 boxes. Which isn't a huge cluster, really.
>
> > Looking at the nonclustered results MS doesn't even figure in the top
> > 10. They are Unix and AS/400 boxes exclusively.
> >
> > Morale: if you want to avoid armys of boxes, avoid MS.
>
> Wrong. When you look at the Linux results for super computers, there
> are several hundreds of boxes. That's an army!
>
> Stop the FUD!
Requirements:
DNS Server
File Server
Mail Server
Application Server
Linux servers needed: ONE
Windows servers needed:
DNS server: 1+
File server: 1+
Mail server: many
App server: many
>
> -c
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:53:31 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:19:48 GMT, Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Quantum Leaper wrote:
>> >
>> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Shades wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You obviously haven't worked on any HP, Sun, or SGI machines with
>> > > > > version 1990 or later versions of Unix.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The learning curve for these systems is SHALLOWER than windows.
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Well then I suppose Sun/HP and SGI are going to be winning the
>desktop
>> > > > anyday? Hmm?
>> > >
>> > > In the same way that the gasoline engine ripped the guts out of
>> > > steam-powered automobile manufacturers.
>> > >
>> > The reason is gasoline engines are alot better than a steam power auto.
>>
>> And likewise, Linux is a FAR better desktop OS than anything sold
>> by Microsoft AND ALSO a far better server OS than anything sold
>> by Microsoft.
>>
>Most businesses around here still want people who know Microsoft or Netware,
>very few want Unix/Linux. Also the local college is offering alot more
Netware?!...where is "around here"?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 15:55:12 -0500
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 01:48:26 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Gary Hallock wrote:
> >>
> >> Actually, it is more likely that those students will be hired, in part,
> >> because of their knowledge of Linux and Unix. That is exactly what is
> >> happening where I work.
> >>
> >> Gary
> >
> >Same here.
> >
> >I'm still a few credit hours short of my degree, and I've got a
> >6-figure income (dollars alone).
> >
> >--
> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>
> Aaron...you're not supposed to count the figures to the right of the
> decimal point.
In that case, it's EIGHT figures.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: 20 Mar 2001 20:54:39 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy WesTralia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>>
>> "." wrote:
>> >
>> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> > > 8<SNIP>8
>> >
>> > > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
>> > > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
>> > > participants. Secondly, if you think that
>> > > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
>> > > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
>> > > about on some of the various IRC nets.
>> >
>> > Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person. Substitute
>> > "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
>> > apart.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I have the university
>> education AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
>> I'm talking about.
> You are wrong about YOUR university education. You never finished. You
> are a high school graduate, nothing more, nothing less.
I never graduated from *anything*, but I did spend 10 years in undergrad and
graduate school. Nary a degree to show for it.
And ill put my brain up against yours any time. :)
=====.
--
"The city's all wrapped up in plastic like an electronic cocoon;
if you lay in the street you can hear it humming"w
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