Linux-Advocacy Digest #998, Volume #30 Wed, 20 Dec 00 22:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Conclusion ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... (Bob Hauck)
Re: Conclusion ("Chad C. Mulligan")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Det2)
Re: Linux is awful ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("David Casey")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("David Casey")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("David Casey")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("David Casey")
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Since this is an Advocacy.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Since this is an Advocacy.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux! (jtnews)
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability (JoeX1029)
Re: What's in a name? (Black Dragon)
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:43:08 GMT
"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, sfcybear
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Mon, 18 Dec 2000 14:42:25 GMT
> <trimmed>> >
> >On average NT's uptime averages are far worse than the Unix. To make the
> >claim that you have just made is a misuse of stats.
>
> *Reported* uptimes, please. NT has a timer rollover bug which
> means that if NT is left up for 49.7 days, it will report back
> with 0 on its uptime. (Linux's rollover is 497 days.)
>
> At least, such is my understanding. Or does Netcraft (and,
> by implication, others) have the capability of checking for
> the time of last reboot? (How?)
>
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> BTW, you will note that there are no Linux machines in the top 50
> >uptimes.
> >
> >
> >Yeah, I bet that gets you hard! But There is not a SINGLE MS machine on
> >the list. It's all Unix.
>
> What, no VM/CMS, MVS, TOPS-20, or VMS? :-) I'm crushed.
>
I'm shocked. Yet another reason to mistrust those numbers I'm sure there
are a large number of at least VMS machines that haven't been rebooted in
the last year or two, and yet they're not on the list.
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com
> >http://www.deja.com/
>
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- OK, so I haven't actually used TOPS-20....
> up 85 days, 20:15, running Linux.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:43:42 GMT
On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 06:50:05 -0600, John Sanders
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know who was first with it, but I was using an optical mouse
> on Sun box in 1988. You're making all this up, Smith.
Those mice needed a special mouspad to work properly. The new ones can
work on most any surface.
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:44:54 GMT
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:91qie6$38s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Said Chad C. Mulligan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sun, 17 Dec 2000
> > [...]
> > >The essence remains a properly administered NT system is as stable as
> any
> > >UNIX. At this time getting the proper administration skills to the
> system
> > >when they are needed is the problem.
> >
> > Bullshit.
>
> Just ask him to prove his claim. You will find out very fast that he has
> NOTHING to back up just about anything he says.
>
Erik's findings supported my statement, Ayende's findings did too. So did
Ghosts' We are still waiting for you to prove the accuracy of the figures
you dance around without understanding.
>
>
> >
> > --
> > T. Max Devlin
> > *** The best way to convince another is
> > to state your case moderately and
> > accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
> >
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Det2)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 01:52:29 GMT
On Tue, 19 Dec 2000 18:22:50 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Translation:
>
>Kulkis successfully fucked up us.military.army once, and Dave is
>afraid of repeat performance.
>
>
Troll
SSG Paul D. Carrier
Readiness NCO (63H & 45K)
Det 2 Co. B 145 SPT BN
Camp Withycombe, Clackamas OR
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:08:44 -0600
"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:VQ606.83014$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Are you blind? You are answering my explanations as to why you are
wrong.
>
> How am I wrong? The registry on Windows 98 is at least two files - that
> flatly contradicts what you said. So you're wrong.
I'm wrong about what? All I said was that the registry consisted of just
ordinary files that could be copied. That is not wrong, and that is exactly
what scanreg does.
> > Regedit also works from a DOS command line.
>
> That's something I'll have to see.
just type regedit /? at the command line.
> > I wonder how that happened, perhaps by reverting from a BACKUP which you
> > claimed could not be done?
>
> I repeat, I tried to make a backup and got an error. No explanation as to
> _why_ I got an error, just an error. I then used regedit to dump to a text
> file, and left it at that.
Scanreg is run for you automatically at boot and stores the backups in a
directory in your Windows directory (I don't have a hand 98 system to tell
you where). It backs it up every day and stores several days worth of
backups.
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From: "David Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:16:06 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tell us again you how believet that German, Japanes, North Korean,
> Japanese, Viet Cong, and North Vietnamese soldiers never fired at
> American medics.
<spelling flame>
I don't believet it for one second.
</spelling flame>
Dave
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From: "David Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:20:46 -0500
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And of course, you're hard at work to fix that problem, right?
>
> No, I'm sitting here on my ass posting messages.
Good job! While you're busy arm-chair quarterbacking, perhaps you can tell
me how the Washington Redskins could have won their last game or how we
should have removed Saddam from power. If you whine enough, you might even
earn the coveted title of cry-baby.
Dave
Watch those hemorrhoids!
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From: "David Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:21:38 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > And which of our nation's problems are you fixing, wannabe-war-hero?
>
> Tell us again you how believet that German, Japanes, North Korean,
> Japanese, Viet Cong, and North Vietnamese soldiers never fired at
> American medics.
You're cut and paste is in bad need of a spelling check. Can't figure out
how to use it or what oh great UNIX wannabe?
Dave
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From: "David Casey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:24:14 -0500
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I dunno, Switzerland's doing just fine. However, you are making an
> incorrect inference by implying that my worries about possibly wasting
> some money mean I want to eliminate the military. And stop
> trolling for a rise out of me. I don't know what the heck has
> put your planets out of alignment.
Well, Switzerland is just a little bit smaller than we are and they don't
have quite the world-wide commitment we do. Anyway, don't worry about
Aaron. He's just pissed that his latest trip to Russia for a mail order
bride fell through and no one of them would take him. We here in
us.military.army just laugh at him and rattle his cage some more. Every so
often he gets posted into a corner and disappears for a while on one of his
"trips".
Dave
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:15:41 -0600
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:t6Y%5.50645$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:5HX%5.11190$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:91pam0$5ip$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:91oej9$sn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > >> What he didnt tell you is that it says clearly in the mandrake
> > installer
> > > >> that XFree 4.0.1 IS NOT SUPPORTED, AND THAT YOURE ON YOUR OWN IF
YOU
> > > > DECIDE
> > > >> TO USE IT.
> > >
> > > > That's not true, and I didn't "decide" to use it. Mandrakes install
> > > > installed it all by itself without a single question about if I
wanted
> > it
> > > > installed or not.
> > >
> > > Thats odd. I installed mandrake 7.2 on this machine (im using it
right
> > now)
> > > from ISOs I downloaded from their ftp site this evening. During the
"X
> > > config" portion of the install, I clearly had a choice between 4.0.1
and
> > > 3.3.6. The installer told me all about how 4.0.1 was better for 2D
> > > application (my video card apparantly does not have a driver for 4.0.1
> > > included in the mandrake install), but that it was experimental, and
to
> > > use at my own risk.
> >
> > Do a server install. It doesn't ask you which, or even IF you want X
> > installed.
>
> Was it too difficult to see that big picture in the middle of the screen
> labeled 'Custom' install. If you didn't want any choices, why are
> you complaining that it did what you told it to do?
Jesus. Pay attention.
The claim was that Mandrake does not support 4.0.1, yet their standard
installation installs it without any question. I'd say that's supported.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Since this is an Advocacy....
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:10:54 GMT
I use a butchershop system too.....PentII 350Mhz; 256Meg Ram; two hard
drives, but only 2gig set up for Linux (Its my brother-in-laws comp. but he
doesn't live here anymore so I use it all the time, but I can't repartition);
Diamond Stealth III card. Now, I had a similar problem. XF86 4x doesn't
support my Stealth, so I use 3.3.6. However, I may have a solution for you.
Do a CLI install, get up and running. Now, edit /etc/lilo.conf.Find the
global section. Should kinda look like this:# Start LILO global section boot
= /dev/hda #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. prompt # VESA
framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k vga = 791 # Normal VGA console # vga =
normal # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k # vga=791 # VESA framebuffer
console @ 1024x768x32k # vga=790 # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 #
vga=773 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k # vga=788 # VESA framebuffer
console @ 800x600x32k # vga=787 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256 #
vga=771 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k # vga=785 # VESA framebuffer
console @ 640x480x32k # vga=784 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256 #
vga=769 # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting # End LILO global section
everything beginning with # is a comment and not necessary. Just comment your
uncommented line and type vga=791. Now, save and exit. At the CLI, type lilo
-l (I think thats what it is. If not, type man lilo) You should see something
telling you everything went ok. Reboot and you *should* be ok. worked for me
when I was using XF86 3.3.3 and my card wasn't supported. Its been awhile, so
I may have left something out. Try that and see. Also, when installing,
install gpm, which will allow you to configure your mouse during the install.
Well, thats how it works on Slackware, anyway. Maybe you shouldn't use a
commercial distro, like RH or drake. Its up to you. But please, don't give up
on Linux because its not easy to set up. Its like riding a bike, you fall at
first, but once you get the hang of it, its not that hard. Took me a month to
get X11 up. Besides, see the post about Linux not being more difficult than
Windows. It really isn't; just different and the problems are different. Let
me know how it works. C Pungent
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Since this is an Advocacy....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:31:14 GMT
On Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:10:54 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>. However, I may have a solution for you.
>Do a CLI install, get up and running. Now, edit /etc/lilo.conf.Find the
>global section. Should kinda look like this:# Start LILO global section boot
>= /dev/hda #compact # faster, but won't work on all systems. prompt # VESA
>framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k vga = 791 # Normal VGA console # vga =
>normal # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k # vga=791 # VESA framebuffer
>console @ 1024x768x32k # vga=790 # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x256 #
>vga=773 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x64k # vga=788 # VESA framebuffer
>console @ 800x600x32k # vga=787 # VESA framebuffer console @ 800x600x256 #
>vga=771 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x64k # vga=785 # VESA framebuffer
>console @ 640x480x32k # vga=784 # VESA framebuffer console @ 640x480x256 #
>vga=769 # ramdisk = 0 # paranoia setting # End LILO global section
>everything beginning with # is a comment and not necessary. Just comment your
>uncommented line and type vga=791. Now, save and exit. At the CLI, type lilo
>-l (I think thats what it is. If not, type man lilo) You should see something
>telling you everything went ok. Reboot and you *should* be ok.
This is by far the best example of why NOT to use Linsux I have ever
seen.
Thank you for posting it!
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:52:32 GMT
David Casey wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > And of course, you're hard at work to fix that problem, right?
> >
> > No, I'm sitting here on my ass posting messages.
>
> Good job! While you're busy arm-chair quarterbacking, perhaps you can tell
> me how the Washington Redskins could have won their last game or how we
> should have removed Saddam from power. If you whine enough, you might even
> earn the coveted title of cry-baby.
>
> Dave
> Watch those hemorrhoids!
How did you know about my hemorrhoids? I know, you figured out I'm a
programmer!
By the way, George senior really f*cked up on that one [Saddam].
Chris (scratching his painfully itchy rectum...
... you DON'T want to borrow his keyboard!)
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:57:24 GMT
"John W. Stevens" wrote:
>
> IMO:
>
> A great many of the claims made by Democrats (widely viewed as
> "liberals") in the post-election debacle were deceitful, a
> misrepresentation of
> the facts, and in some cases, out right lies.
Still, because one person of a certain category says something weird,
that doesn't glue the weirdness to all people in that category.
It's like saying all whites are racists.
> Just today, Molly Ivins (an old-style liberal) states in her news paper
> column that actually upholding and following the Constitution is "the
> most frightening thing I've ever seen".
>
> This, from a party that repeatedly claimed to support the rule of law?
>
> What's so terrifying about upholding and following the Constitution?
>
> Why would *ANY* American consider it frightening to do so?
I'd have to read her article myself.
> What advantage is there in making unsupportable allegations, or
> mis-representing your opponents stance? What's so hard to understand
> about "must", and "shall"?
>
> I'm disgusted by the whole thing, but I'm especially disgusted by people
> who loudly claim that Al Gore won.
>
> HE LOST.
>
> I'm disgusted by any and all references to "the national popular vote".
>
> Such references are either indications of someone who is wildly
> ignorant, or who does not uphold the Constitution of the USA.
>
> THE NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE IS AS MEANINGFUL IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION AS
> THE NUMBER OF Z's IN A CANDIDATES LAST NAME.
>
> We don't hold a national vote for President. We vote for electoral
> college representatives. The only "national vote" for President is held
> b the electoral college representatives.
>
> In short,
>
> AL GORE LOST THE NATIONAL VOTE.
>
> Why are the Democrats unwilling to talk truthfully about this issue?
>
> I'm especially disgusted by claims that "Al Gore would have won if all
> the votes had been counted!"
>
> ALL THE VOTES WERE COUNTED!
>
> What was left were BALLOTS, not VOTES. As Justice O'Connor said: the
> only real standard for defining a "vote", in place at the time the
> election was held was what the counting machines implemented. And the
> machines did not consider those ballots to have votes on them
>
> The Democrats are calling for the imposition of an outright tyranny. Do
> we really want to do this?
>
> Where's Harry Browne when you really need him?
I pretty much agree with what you say here. I do feel that Gore
was swept along by events for awhile. And, hey, with a little
luck, George Dubya might make a fine president. Hopefully, the
stress won't get to him, and history won't have to talk about his
"Liquor Cabinet".
Chris
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Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 20:55:08 -0500
From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Intel Easy PC camera - cannot be supported in Linux!
Russ Lyttle wrote:
> Unfortunately, the correct answer is YEP. You might win, Intel might
> loose, but in the meantime, who has money to pay for lawyers? I would
> suggest contacting Intel and clearing it with them first. Otherwise post
> the code as "anonymous coward" somewhere from a cybercafe.
What I don't understand is why a company as big as Intel won't support
Linux, even if it was just a driver with an object file and no source,
that would do. I'd like to use the Easy PC camera as a home security
intrusion detection camera. If they made the driver available for
Linux, then I'd buy
at least 3 more cameras.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Date: 21 Dec 2000 02:59:22 GMT
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
>I understand there were around 12 patches released in the first year
>of Solaris 7.
Then you also understand that Solaris has some of the longest uptimes and
powers some of the biggest and busiest sites?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Subject: Re: What's in a name?
Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 02:58:23 GMT
On 20 Dec 2000 04:16:31 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Terry Porter' said:
: "Steve/Heather/Keys88/Claire_lynn/Amy/Swango/Swangoremovemee/flatfish++++"
: You mean ?
: Have I left many names out ?
uh huh. .
some 31 of them:
Steve/Mike/Heather/Simon/teknite/keymaster/keys88/Sewer Rat/
S/Sponge/Sarek/piddy/McSwain/pickle_pete/Ishmeal_hafizi/
Syphon/Proculous/Tiberious/Amy/Jerry_Butler/Wobbles/wazzoo/
Tim Palmer/BklynBoy/susie_wong/leg log/bison/deadpenguin/
clair_lynn/Swango/flatfish++++ _to be continued_
--
Black Dragon
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