Linux-Advocacy Digest #835, Volume #31 Tue, 30 Jan 01 01:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4 ("Jan Johanson")
Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux headache ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: "Jan Johanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparison: Installing W2K and Linux 2.4
Date: 29 Jan 2001 23:30:53 -0600
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> > So tell me, just what support for handicapped people does Linux offer?
> >
> Well, let's start with a simple one.
> It supports out of the box (SuSE version) Braille output for the blind.
Braille output eh? So, lesse, you just type in "go -braille" and suddenly
there are little bumps on the screen eh? Uhhuh...
and how was it X ran in Braille again?
> Nothing needed, just connect it, configure, you go.
>
> Now tell us, Conrad, how you do it with Wintendo(tm).
> No cheating allowed, out of the box please.
http://www.microsoft.com/enable/
Free downloads for your devices and you best believe there are WAY more
devices with windows drivers than linux drivers!
>
> Later we can come to the things a lttle more complicated (and naturally,
> still no cheating allowed. It has to cost NOTHING, only download allowed.
> Preferably already included in the distro.)
>
> We wait, Conrad (should we better come back in 5 years?)
Oh, no, go for it - cause it's a known fact that windows has been
accessiblity enabled for some time and it just gets better and better. How
many millions of $ did linus spend making linux accessible for the
handicapped do you think? How many testing labs and hundreds of handicapped
people did he have brought to his parents basement for late night
programming sessions to see if he got it right? Hmmm??? And say, how many
hundreds of millions did he donate to the needy last year? Hmm??
Let me give you a partial list of items to chew on:
General Accessibility Products:
"GOODFEEL" 2.0 by Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
.net e-Commerce Suite 1 by dotNet Software
0time - Internet Assisted Drafting by 0time.com
22529 0001 by awaysys
9FX Series and Imagine 128 by Number Nine Visual Technology
ABC Reporting 1.5.1 by RiteWay Associates, Inc
Access Bill 3.0 by Access Communications Corp
Access Pack for Microsoft Windows by Microsoft Corporation
Accessible electronic forms by FutureForms
ActiveIndex (tm)- Stream Indexing Service by Computer TeleVision
ActiveMPEG Player 1.0 by Advanced Active Images
ActiveStart 99 by Intersect Inc
AdestaPhone by adesta.com
Advanced Player 2.0 by comson
ALL 1.0 by PC-Team GmbH
AllWrite 1.0.1 by Sensory Software International Ltd
AppWrap 1.0.0.0 by Jabware
AREA 2000 by I WannA Computer, Inc.
Arel IDEAL System by Arel Communications and Software Ltd.
ArtRecognition PPC 1.52 by ART Ltd.
ASAP for Windows by MicroTalk
ASP 1 by TetraConnect Inc
Audit & inspection software 1.6.2 by Creative Business Solutions Inc.
Aurora 3.05 by Aurora Systems, Inc.
Autodesk OnSite View by Autodesk, Inc.
Auto-Lektor for Windows 1 by Harpo Sp. z o. o.
BackDrop 3.0 by Sabbatical, Inc.
BarGen 1.0 by Magneton
BizActionY2K 1.0 by Compu/Quest
Blindows 98/NT by Frank Audiodata
blue&you 1 by Jeff Dugan
BlueTalk by Pocit Labs
Bridge 2000 1.1 by Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
Broadband Radio by iNYC Broadband
Buddy Builder 1.0 by Shelldrake Technologies, Inc.
Catering Management System 1.0 by Loginsoft Inc
CCV 4.5 by PC-Team GmbH
CellfServ rel. 1.0 by Tralliant Corp.
CertifiedMailServer 1.4 by CertifiedMail.com, Inc.
CE-Star 1.1 by Mobem Technologies Inc.
CheckDigitFinder 3.3 by Rick Lewis Dot Com
Cicero Text Reader 1.03 by Dolphin Computer Access
Cipher Braille Translator 1.01 by Dolphin Computer Access
Cizer Server 2.5 by Cizer Software Corporation
Clockz 2.0 by Starfire Software, Inc.
CommVault V98/Galaxy by CommVault Systems
Complete PME 2.3 by AST Process Solutions
Component Developer 7.0 by SuperNova, Inc.
computer /Software /Training by Alfa-Tec (Pvt.)Ltd.
Con$tructionDraw 1.0 by Construction Data Management, Inc.
Construction 4.2 by R. A. Davis & Associates
Contadores 1.0 by Mi Pueblito On Line Corp
CREWHUB 1.1 by Connectbusiness
CRIMPERS Salon Management 3.62 by CRIMPERS Salon Management Software
CrossScanner 2.30 by RJ Cooper & Assoc.
Custom Software Development by WickedWare, LLC.
cybernomade v1 by cybernomade.com
DEPS 2.0 by Softwave Co.,Ltd.
Desks At Will 2.68 by Idyle Software
dExtre PPV/PPM 1 by multEvision Internet Corporation
Digital Rights Clearinghouse by Faro Latino Sur S.A.
Document Work Place 1 by Doctronix International
DRACULAwin, DRACULAnet and DRACULAvox by EuroBRAILLE
DragonDictate(r) for Windows by Dragon Systems(r), Inc.
DTalk 2.0 by Out & About Productions
DUFF V1.0 by KSg Systems AB
Duxbury Braille Translator 10:2e by Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
Dvorak Keyboard Layouts by Microsoft Corporation
DYNAServ Network Monitor by Technology Marketing Group
Eek! by OMS Development
Elite32 POS System 5.0 by CompuWave Technologies, Inc.
Encoding Services Video & Audio by Computer TeleVision
eN-Concert Store 1 by IVI Checkmate
engineering by Singapore Engineering Software Pte Ltd
Enterprise Device Management software 1 by Sinetica Corp LTD
FAAST WinCE Product Line 1.x by Fonix Corporation
flash bank 2.0 by mcomllc
FreeSpeech 2000 by Philips Speech Processing
Fusion 1.0 by Manning & Napier Information Services
Future Fitness Management 0.01 by NEW TECHNOLOGY ENTERPRISES
GLOBAL PROJECT MANAGEMENT 1.0 by SUPRANET EMPRESARIAL SL
Globicom Wireless Mobile Internet by Globicom Wireless
Globicom Wireless Mobile Internet by Globicom Wireless
Hal Screen Reader 4.01 by Dolphin Computer Access
HandiKEY and HandiKey Deluxe by Cyber Patrol - The Learning Company
HandiPHONE by Cyber Patrol - The Learning Company
HandiSHIFT For Windows by Cyber Patrol - The Learning Company
HandiWORD and HandiWORD International by Cyber Patrol - The Learning
Company
Hands-Free Interface for PocketPC 1x by Fonix Corporation
HandsOff 2.1.3 by Sensory Software International Ltd
Holmes Encryption Package 1.01 by holmes-software.com
Home Page Reader for Windows 2.5 by IBM (Special Needs Systems
Department)
ICSS LibertNet Document Management System r3 by IC System Solutions
IDC Partner Fit 1 by IDC
iFASV4 2.0 by Info Nova AG
iGrafx Process 1.0 by Micrografx
ImpulseStudio 3.0 by Ingenuware, Ltd.
IN CUBE Voice Command by Command Corp. Inc.
INFO ADMON 20 by CEINSA
INFO ADMON 20 by CEINSA
INFO ADMON 20 by CEINSA
Infohighway Encyclopedia 1 by Concept-Action Multimedia
InGrid 1.0.3 by Sensory Software International Ltd
Insight 2.2 by ECO Kommunikation Computer Soft- und Hardware GmbH
InSite 1.2 by Camstar Systems, Inc.
IntelliTalk for Windows by IntelliTools, Inc.
IntenseSound 1.1 by Intensifi
ISE Eiffel 4.5 by Interactive Software Engineering
iTrade Private Label Brand Product 2.6 by MyOwnFinancialPlan.com
JAWS for Windows 3.7 by Henter-Joyce, Inc.
Joystick-To-Mouse 2.51 by Innovation Management Group, Inc.
JTA and Associates 1.0 by JTA and Asso
KeyREP (TM) by Prentke Romich Company
KeyWi2 6.0 by Consultants for Communication Technology
Kurzweil VOICE for Windows by Kurzweil Applied Intelligence, Inc.
L&H Clinical Reporter 4.0 by Lernout & Hauspie
L&H PowerScribe 2.12 by Lernout & Hauspie
Language Extender for Windows CE 2.0-4.0 by Paragon Softwar-e
Liaison 5.0 by Locus Dialogue
Linkzilla 1.0 by NetJumper.com
Listen 3.0 for Windows by Verbex Voice Systems, Inc.
Listening In by CrissCross Technologies
Listening to the Internet 1.00 by TECSO Inc.
Listening to Windows 95 1.01 by TECSO Inc.
Listening to Windows 98 1.00 by TECSO Inc.
Live Video Production and Internet Transmission by Computer
TeleVision
Lock-Out 1.0 by The Best Security, Inc.
LoVision Internet User .65 by IDA-VID Technology
LoVision Internet User .65 by IDA-VID Technology
Lunar Screen Enlarger 4.01 by Dolphin Computer Access
LunarPlus Enhanced Screen Enlarger 4.01 by Dolphin Computer Access
M Art Mouse Keyboard 3.1 by M Art Technologies
Macro Magic 4.1k by iolo technologies
MAGic Screen Magnification Software 6.2 by Henter-Joyce, Inc.
MAGNUM 95 by Artic Technologies
MAGNUM Deluxe by Artic Technologies
MAINFRAME WINDOWS 2.1 by MVS DEVELOPMENT AUTOMATION, Inc
Makler 97 3.2 by Krautzer & Partner
Malcolm X Chronicles "The Lost Treasures" One by Master Tapes Inc.
Marine Radio Control 1.1 by Creative Services Software, Inc.
MasterVox 3.0 by MasterMind Technologies
McCracken Website Design Price List 2.5 by McCracken Website Design
MedCompanion 1.1 by MedCompanion
Meobius 2.1 by Netpoint International
MetaFrame 1.8 Training 2.16 by Teknica
microsoft development software latest ver by Quiknet direct internet
access
Microwiting 6.0 by Richley Enterprises
middleworX(tm) 2.0 by Productivity Center, Inc.
Mikropuhe 4.2 by Timehouse Oy
Mobile Conversay by Conversay
Mobile Internet Platform 2.3 by AtoBe BV (Formally Wapmagic BV)
Mortgage e-commerce by 123borrow.com, Inc.
Mouse Keys by World Communications
Mouse&Caret Buddy 1.0 by Applied Human Factors Inc.
My-T-Mouse 1.52 by Innovation Management Group, Inc.
MyTrip Planner For Outlook 1.03 by XTRA On-Line
My-T-Soft 1.67 by Innovation Management Group, Inc.
My-T-Soft AT 1.53 by Innovation Management Group, Inc.
NA for public by US-ITEK
NavigAide 1.0 by Bartimaeus Group
NCD ThinPATH Plus 1.0 by Network Computing Devices, Inc.
Net Talk Lite 1.0 by Net Talk , Inc.
Net Talk Lite 1.0 by Net Talk , Inc.
NetCheck 1.0 by Extreme Networks
NetCheck 1.0 by Extreme Networks
Netropa Internet Receiver 1.29 by Netropa.com
Netropa Internet Receiver 1.29 by Netropa.com
NetSeller 1.0 by PC-Team GmbH
NetShift Pro 4.6 by NetShift Software Ltd
NP32 1 by Piracyfree, LLC
Offshore Reengineering Services by Renaissance Information Technology
Pvt. Ltd.
Oilfield TallyBook 1 by Pervasive Ideas
OKO 98 (Eye) 4.0 by ACE Design
On-Demand Personal Navigator 5.2 by Global Knowledge Network, Inc
OneBox 1.00.05 by ComTel
Online Course Development by Computer TeleVision
Online Investment Software/WallStreet2000i 1.0 by WallStreetXL
ONLINE SEMINARS & CONFERENCES by Computer TeleVision
OnScreen 1.52 by RJ Cooper & Assoc.
Oosie Micropause 2.7 by FranzO Software
Open Book Scanning & Reading Software 5.0 by Henter-Joyce, Inc.
Open Book Unbound, Ruby Edition 4.0 by Arkenstone, Inc.
OrderDOCS v1.2 by Eagle Mortgage Services, Inc.
Orpheus Software Speech System 1.05 by Dolphin Computer Access
OSW Machine 1.005 by Cline Communications
outSPOKEN Ensemble 3.0 by ALVA Access Group
outSPOKEN for Windows v. 1.2 by ALVA Access Group
outSPOKEN Solo 3.0 by ALVA Access Group
Palm Agent Kit 1.1 by PalmTech
PanoramaStream by D-LINK Co.,ltd.
Pegasus by J-Z automatisering
PenReader handwriting recognition system 2.02 by Paragon Softwar-e
pharma 1.0.1 by attic technologies pvt ltd
Phone Interface 1.01.01 by V2R AG
Physia Mobile 1.1 by Physia corporation
PixWriter 1 by Slater Software
Pocket Coach 1.9 by AbleLink Technologies, Inc.
Pocket Inspector 1.0 by IdeaCon Software
Pocket Trials Beta by Segue Corporation
PocketRecorder by MONDOCOM Medienservices GmbH
Portable IMPACT 1.1 by Enkidu Research, Inc.
Portal Virtual 1.6 by LOGICOMP
PowerScribe for Radiology 2.11 by Articulate Systems, Inc.
Pratice 2000+ or P2K+ 4-50100 by OneNet, Inc.
PriceMaker real-time rating engine 2.6 by RateIntegration, Inc.
Print Console 1.0 by Software Shelf Intl. Inc.
Print Manager Plus 2001 by Software Shelf Intl. Inc.
Print Queue Manager 1.0 by Software Shelf Intl. Inc.
Process Integrator 3.0 by SuperNova, Inc.
Protalk32 for Windows 95/98 4.0 by Biolink Computer R&D Ltd.
Protalk32 for Windows NT 3.0 by Biolink Computer R&D Ltd.
ProtoType 1.1.0 by Sensory Software International Ltd
ProVision32 for Windows NT 3.0 by Biolink Computer R&D Ltd.
PROXi by Madenta, Inc.
QA Bar 0.9 by Amarillus
radio wolf software 2.4 by radio wolf software p/l
REACH Interface AuthorT 2.5 by Applied Human Factors Inc.
REACH Smart KeyT Technology (Patent Pending) 1.1 by Applied Human
Factors Inc.
Remote Automated Design 1 by Communication Services, Inc.
RestReminder 0.96 by INTES INC
RIAS (Risk Information & Assessment System) 1.6 by Davion Systems Ltd
RSView32 6.x by Monarch Electric Co.
RT SITEWARE 3.5 by Runtime Technologies
SAFE HCS For Windows 1 by ITS (Wales) Ltd
SAFE Health For Windows 4 by ITS (Wales) Ltd
SAW (Switch Access to Windows ) 3 by ACE Centre
ScanBuddyT 1.0 by Applied Human Factors Inc.
ScreenDoors II by Madenta, Inc.
ScreenPower(r) for Windows 95 by Telesensory Corp.
ScreenWatch 3 by OPTX International
SeeBEEP For Windows by Cyber Patrol - The Learning Company
Service/Contractor Information System 7 by Vertical Market Software
Shopping-mall.com 1.0 by Vsix Qthree, LLC
ShutdownPlus 3.8 by WM Software, Inc.
SigingAvatar(TM) 1.0 by Vcom3D, Inc.
Simply Talker 98 and Simply Talker 98 International 2.20 by EconoNet
International Inc.
SLIMWARE Window Bridge 2.56 by Syntha-voice Computers Inc.
smartLOOK 1.66 by AtoBe BV (Formally Wapmagic BV)
Software NA by Kryonet Ltd
SoothSayer Word PredictionT 3.0 by Applied Human Factors Inc.
sound uniques 3.0 by soundphoniques
Speaking of Corel WordPerfect by CrissCross Technologies
Speaking of Microsoft Excel by CrissCross Technologies
Speaking of Microsoft Word by CrissCross Technologies
Speaking of the Internet by CrissCross Technologies
Speaking of Windows 95 by CrissCross Technologies
Speaking of Windows...3.X by CrissCross Technologies
Sports Injury Tracking System 2000 1.0 by Computer Consultants of
Franklin
SpreadsheetWorld Data Analysis Toolbox 1.0 by SpreadsheetWorld, Inc.
SpreadsheetWorld Geometry Toolbox 1.0 by SpreadsheetWorld, Inc.
SpreadsheetWorld Numerical Toolbox 2.3 by SpreadsheetWorld, Inc.
SpreadsheetWorld Toolbox Manager 2.3 by SpreadsheetWorld, Inc.
Squawk Box Private Branding Service - Wireless by
MyOwnFinancialPlan.com
SSB Insight 1.5 by SSB Technologies
Step On It! by Bilbo Innovations, Inc.
Super Vista and Vista PCI by Telesensory Corp.
Supernova Reader Magnifier 4.01 by Dolphin Computer Access
Switch Builder 1.0.0 by Sensory Software International Ltd
Switch ME 1.2.0 by Sensory Software International Ltd
SynTalk 1.5 by Neurosoft
T2F by GETOP AUTOMATIC SYSTEM INC.
Tailor-made Applications 1.0 by ASQ
Telepathic II by Madenta, Inc.
textHELP! Read & Write 4.0 by textHELP Systems Ltd
textHELP! Screenreader 4.0 by textHELP Systems Ltd
The eOS 1.0 by Integrity Software
The Magnifier 1.20 by Innovation Management Group, Inc.
The Switch Connection 1.0.1 by Sensory Software International Ltd
The Trainers Edge by Natural Fitness Concepts, Inc.
TouchRight Utilities 1.20 by Innovation Management Group, Inc.
Track Manager 1.0 by Mountain Technology
UMP 1.0 by Texas Instruments Inc.
UMP 1.0 by Texas Instruments Inc.
VBIC Broadcasting Services 1.0 by Virtual Broadcasting Information
Center LLC
VBIC Broadcasting Services 1.0 by Virtual Broadcasting Information
Center LLC
VenueMaitreD V1.0 by Innovative Information Systems, Inc.
VerbalNET 1.0 by VerbalTek
Versatile Image Processing (VIP), ezVIP and VIP Browser by JBliss
Imaging Systems
ViaVoice for Windows Pro Edition 8.0 by IBM Software
Video Encoding 2.0 by Cosmoview Corp.
Video Manuals and WildRides TV show by video manuals
VIRGO 2 by BAUM Products GmbH
Virtual Back Office System 2.0 by AdminServer.com
Virtual DJ 2.0 by Alaska Shows Productions
Virtual Touch System (VTS) by VirTouch Ltd.
Virtual Vision 2.0 by MicroPower Software
VisAbility 1.20 by AI Squared
Visio Technical 5.0 Plus by Microsoft Corporation
VISIOBRAILLE (Arabic) by Medialog
VISIOBRAILLE (French) by Handialog
Visions FWD (Visions for Windows & DOS) by Artic Technologies
VISTA Plus 4.2 by Quest Software, Inc.
vMapper v 1.0 by Voxa
Vocal-Eyes 3.0 by GW Micro. Inc.
Voice Over Web by ECGEN, Inc.
Voice Over Web by ECGEN, Inc.
VoiceUser by Cylogic
VTM 2.0 by SteelWeb Software
Web Based Databases by Dove Enterprise L.L.C.
Web Hosting & Development by WickedWare, LLC.
Web Hosting of Windows Media Content by Computer TeleVision
Windbag 2.1.5 by Sensory Software International Ltd
WINDOTS 2 2.12 by F.H. Papenmeier GmbH & Co. KG, Reha Div.
Window Bridge 2.56 by Techno-Vision Systems Ltd
Window Bridge 2000 1.10 by Syntha-voice Computers Inc.
Window-Eyes 3.1 by GW Micro. Inc.
Windows For Kids 1.0 by Windows For Kids
Windows Master by Blazie Engineering
WINKLiNE by Speech Systems for the Blind
Winspeak 5.1.4 by Sensory Software International Ltd
WinVision 97 by Artic Technologies
Wireless Drive Thru System 1.3.7 by CompuWave Technologies, Inc.
Wireless Fine Dining System 3.0.12 by CompuWave Technologies, Inc.
Wireless Lineup Solution System 1.2.2 by CompuWave Technologies, Inc.
Wireless Services Developer by InterCell Inc.
WiViK®2 Pointing Access 2 by Prentke Romich Company
WiViK®2 Switch Access 2 by Prentke Romich Company
WiVox 2 by Prentke Romich Company
Wizcon For Windows & Internet 7.5 by PC Soft International
WMAS beta by Enova Ltd.
WordAid 1.3 by ACE Centre
WordPerfect(r) Office 2000 - Voice-Powered Edition 2000 by Corel
Corporation
Workstyle Server for Microsoft Exchange 3.0 by Wireless Knowledge, Inc
WSysman 1 by SmartNet, llc
WXG 4 by A.I.SOFT,INC.
X Print NT 4 by Azion
YES Home Business 1.2 by YES Electronics
ZIPKEY 3.23e by Eric Isaacson Software
ZoomText Xtra Level 1 7.0 by AI Squared
ZoomText Xtra Level 1 6.14 by AI Squared
ZoomText Xtra Level 2 7.0 by AI Squared
ZoomText Xtra Level 2 6.14 by AI Squared
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: 3100 W2K Adv Servers deployed accross Europe
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:34:34 GMT
In article <3a764830$0$73924$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jan Johanson wrote:
>
>"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:954hdm$bvj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Conrad Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > The obvious question is, why isn't Linux on the TPC?
>> >>
>> >> Because no distributions have shipped with the 2.4 kernel yet?
>>
>> > You place a lot on this unproven new release... we'll see... but then
>> > there'll be Whistler...
>>
>> Unproven? Moron, 2.4 has been in very intense testing for almost a
>> year. But you wouldnt know that, seeing as how you wouldnt know linux
>> itself if it was sucking on your bollocks.
>
>Are you that stupid that you do not acknowledge that "proven" has nothing to
>do with "tested"
>I'm sure they tested "Dikatana a LOT" but proving it was another story.
>I'm sure the pentium IV tested, but I wouldn't save it's proven very well...
>
>>
>> >> Excellent point - If that's the case, it's just a matter of time.
>>
>> > Yea, we'll see...
>>
>> Wheres that version of datacenter that can handle 64 processors again
>> exactly? Can I create a folder called "con" on ITS desktop?
>
>Datacenter is available today. No, you cannot. So?
>
You know the *RACE* to build the largest Microsoft DATACENTER
supercomputer is so tuff....
Wonder why more scientists don't choose Microsoft DATACENTER!!!
Just the term DATACENTER reminds me of those lego commericals!
Here's MONSTER TRUCK!!!
>>
>> >> > Likewise, there's no high-caliber database for Linux.
>> >>
>> >> Oracle, DB2, Sybase, Informix, MySQL, PostgreSQL, etc.
>> >>
>> >> IOW, every database that matters, has a Linux version.
>>
>> > MySQL? PostgreSQL? ahahahahahahahhhhhaaaa
>>
>> You arent running DB2 under W2K.
>Hell know - SQL 2000 here, of course.
>
It's not Oracle. That ended that debate quickly.
>>
>> >>
>> >> > There's
>> >> > Oracle, but from what I've heard, it doesn't perform anywhere
>> >> > near the way it does on Win2K and Solaris.
>> >>
>> >> Well, you've heard wrong then.
>>
>> > No, he's got it right, Oracle themselves do NOT advise using linux for
>> > anything but the SOHO.
>>
>> They also advise not using NT. In fact, my Oracle rep swears by using
>> it under solaris and solaris only, preferably a patched 2.7 install.
>
>Agreed, most definately. Oracle under NT blows dead donkey dicks - and VERY
>intentionally according to Oracle themselves. They would rather hobble
>theirselves than ever allow something to run properly under a MS OS. Known
>facts... it's like the old saying from inside the ms OS team in the early
>days: "It don't ship until 1-2-3 won't run on it" - :)
>>
Oracle should be run under an OS for proper results.
NT is not an OS, it's an OS emulation.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > What about a transaction processor? Is there any enterprise-class
>> >> > transaction processor for Linux?
>> >>
>> >> OK, Chad, since you are the acknowledged expert here,
>> >> please explain for us newbies what a transaction processor
>> >> does, and why you think Linux could not run such an app.
>>
>> > He didn't say it couldn't run such an app - merely that there are no
>such
>> > apps for Linux. And considering what it takes/costs to develop one, I
>doubt
>> > we'll see one unless IBM ponies up the money for it.
>>
>> With the money that IBM is spending on linux (billions) compared with the
>> money that theyre spending on windows (zero), we'll see about that.
>
>Yep - IBM is spending billions on their "linux-related" efforts - yep. I'm
>sure eventually they MAY spend as much as MS has ALREADY spent on Windows -
>but, the real scoop? You think IBM is just spending all that money so the
>kids can enjoy the fruits of their labors? ahahah, look for a very nice
>fragmentation to occur and a nicely branded "IBM Linux" to come out of it,
>and forget your open source then... mark my words...
>
Just to ADD credibilty to the GPL developers, IBM can spend and has
spent a billion dollars on Linux last year and will do so again
this year appearently. The GNU/GPL developers have spent maybe
$100 bucks and they are still the major players in the OS development.
Charlie
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 05:36:48 GMT
"Robert Morelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:954nt1$4hi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Andy Walker"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
>
> > Bye the way, has anyone who isn't a beardy geek (no insult intended)
> > actually successfully re-compiled their kernel and got exactly the
> > result they were looking for ???
Beardless with hair 1/4" long all around (Low Maintanence Doo) <g>
>
> Sure, it's easy!
> 1. First, you download about 13 MBs of compressed source
> code.
> 2. Then you have to set about two hundred or so obscure parameters
> to create an appropriate make file. You'll probably make the false
> assumption the first time through that the defaults are appropriate.
> (Like the default: kernel hacking)
make menuconfig
or if in X...
make xconfig
Just click a few buttons
Very simple
Rule of thumb, if an option makes you go "Huh?", don't mess with it...
> 3. Then you build.
> 4. Then install the new kernel and rerun lilo.
> 5. Then reboot and get a kernel panic.
Indicating you were playing with something in the configs you shouldn't
have. This is an OS kernel, not Hello World...
> 6. Then you go to another computer and post a desperate help message in
the
> newsgroups.
> 7. A day or so later, you'll get your computer to boot again.
Going to the groups before you get underway with compiling will yield
better results. You might get useful advise such as adding a separate lilo
or grub entry for your new kernel. (Or placing the new kernel onto a boot
floppy) That way, if you screw something up, you have the option of
rebooting your original, stable kernel.
The HOWTO's will tell you this too...They are your freinds.
> 8. You go through the two hundred or so parameters more carefully,
> trying to figure out which ones were wrong.
Live and learn <g>
> ...
> Trust me. After a few days, it finally will work.
True.
>
> By the way, all kidding aside, asking the end user to do bizarre things
> like recompile the kernel, is one of many, many reasons why Linux
> is not appropriate for the end user.
Just because the ability to completely re-do your OS's core code exists is
no reason to castigate it. The less experienced end user should never have
to do such things anyway. Most of the modern distros have default kernels
that work with just about anything a user may have in his/her system.
Custom compiles are becoming less and less neccesary.
> It reflects fundamental design
> flaws in Linux that need to be overcome before the system can
> compete with more technically advanced systems like Windows.
It reflects the flexibility and control offered by a time-proven OS
paradigm that has 30 years of proven success.
Windows is a toy.
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Who was saying Crays don't run Linux?
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 23:44:01 -0600
Those aren't Cray supercomputers. They're clusters of above average, but
basically normal systems. A few years back when Cray was sold to SGI, they
basically dropped their supercomputer business. Seymore Cray, the founder
moved to Colorado to start Cray Technologies (IIRC) and began work on a new
GaAs technology for a new breed of supercomputer, but he died shortly
thereafter in a car crash.
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Spotted this today on the news - FYI
>
> Cray readies Linux systems-large-scale
> cluster
> Monday, January 29, 2001, 12:54
> By BARRY PARK, FAIRFAX IT
>
> Supercomputer maker Cray today announced plans to offer
> an Alpha cluster
> combining problemsolving speed with powerful technical
> data center features,
> price performance and the Linux operating system.
>
> Cray said the Alpha Linux SuperCluster
> systems-large-scale cluster would be
> formally launched in coming months, and was scheduled to
> begin shipping in
> mid-2001.
>
> It said Cray had received an early order agreement for a
> 32-processor Cray SV1
> from BioNumerik Pharmaceuticals and expected to "announce
> multiple orders by
> the time of the product launch".
>
> BioNumerik Pharmaceuticals will use the Cray SV1 to
> "tackle even larger quantum
> chemistry problems critical for creating new
> cancerfighting drugs".
>
> French carmaker Peugeot Citroen earlier this month also
> ordered two Cray SV1
> supercomputer systems to add depth to its automotive
> design process, bringing
> to eight the number of SV1 supercomputers used by the
> company.
>
> Cray said targeted capabilities include:
>
> Superior sustained performance on a wide range of
> problem sizes and
> workloads, made possible by marrying the
> high-bandwidth Cray
> SuperCluster architecture with API Networks' CS20 1U
> servers based on
> the world's fastest commercially available 64bit
> processor, and API's
> "network aware" Linux facility.
> Superior data center capabilities, including high
> availability (dynamic
> reconfigurability, concurrent maintenance, warm
> boot, hot swap).
> Global checkpoint/restart (in the event of a system
> interrupt, saves all
> users' work and smoothly continues jobs upon
> recovery).
> Global resource management.
> Single system image (SSI) even in the largest system
> sizes (thousands of
> processors).
> Efficient job scheduling, prioritisation and
> accounting.
>
> Cray also announced a strategic alliance with
> Linux-based hardware
> developer API designed to strengthen Cray's plan
> to bring Linux
> clusters to data center environments.
>
> Cray said API will supply its CS20 server as the
> foundation for Cray's
> SuperCluster series.
>
>
>
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