Linux-Advocacy Digest #868, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 14:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon us
(Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here! (Mike Martinet)
Re: Storm Linux & Applixware ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux headache ("Andy Walker")
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice (Adie)
Re: Bill knows what's best for you ("Joel Barnett")
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon us
(jim)
Re: Linux headache (jim)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (Craig Kelley)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (Craig Kelley)
LOL now the BIND story hits mainstream News ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! (.)
Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon us
("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon
us
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:01:02 +0100
al wrote:
<nothing>
Someone who does not even know about the implicit limits one should
configure into his/her news/email-software and sends us postings with
line-lenght unlimited is simply just a wintroll and an asshole.
Your whole posting is unread by me (and I think by most others) simply
because of this.
And now go back playing with your wintendo-thingy, little al.
Comes time, you will grow up also
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From: Mike Martinet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Myths -- What I'd call Part II is here!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:15:48 -0700
Craig Kelley wrote:
>
>
> (I just can't see my Microsoft-using friends being all very happy
> about paying software rentals or only being able to install software
> on one cpu/harddisk combination; in fact they are all quite upset over
> that possibility.)
>
This is one thing that just thrills me. I can't wait to see the fallout
if they actually try this. It would be supremely ironic if MS were to
kill themselves with something as greedy as subscription software.
Bing!
_______________________________________
|-------------------------------------X
|-------------------------------------|
| You haven't paid your monthly dues. |
| Your computer will not operate |
| until you call 1-800-MSPAYUP and |
| submit a valid credit-card number. |
| |
|-------------------------------------|
Oh yeah!!!
(I don't have much respect for MS the company, but I use quite a few of
their products. I feel that as a front-end, W9x/NT/2k, whatever, is a
known - i.e., most people know how to use it. I practice what I
preach. I run a Linux machine as the all-around server for my home
net, and I use Windows on the front end to manipulate/look at stuff.
The combination works quite well.)
If I am forced to pay for separate licenses for each of my winboxes,
even though I can only use one at a time, there's gonna be a lot more
KDE around here!
God, and can you imagine the money you could make just setting up Linux
for people who're screaming mad at MS? Yahoo! Bring it, Billy!
MjM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Storm Linux & Applixware
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:34:00 GMT
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 01:07:53 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>With the demise of stormix, the best Linux distribution I have used
>to date, and what looks like the end for vistasource (applixware) it
>has been a sad few days for me.
>
>Now with IBM going to spend $1 billion this year on Linux why don't
>they invest in stormix to keep a great debian based distribution going
>and buy vistasource and then follow sun and make applixware open
>source? Stormix did a fantastic job in making the easiest Linux
>installation and with debian package management, so easy to
>upgrade. As for applixware, it is an excellent office suite with a
>superb macro language, ELF. Here's a chance for IBM to invest a small
>amount of money and have a geat impact of Linux on the desktop.
>
Stormix is out of business? Since when? I just checked the website
and there's nothing about it there -- are they just d'c-ing the distro
itself, or are they closing their doors entirely?
quux111
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:39:49 GMT
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:17:21 GMT, meow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well this is just great
>I havent even had my Sony Vaio a week and the screens fucked
>I installed Mandrake 7.2 and when asked to choose a monitor choosse lcd
>that can do 1024x768 which worked fine initially but after a reboot it
>trashed the screen which is now permament
>Fortunately its new and under warranty so ill get a new machine from
>them.
>This isnt the first time this has happened to me. Linux also fucked up a
>monitor i had a few years back too.
>THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
>THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
>iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
>MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
>Im a very experienced computer user and a program of 15 years so im not
>some hopeless newbie that can barely switch on there machine.
>
>mr angry
mr angry,
There is no way that a software setting can damage an LCD screen.
(The story is different with a CRT because if you run it at too high a
refresh-rate, it can actually burn out). LCD screens are notorious
for developing "dead spots" and other anomalies; it's endemic to the
thin-film process. It's happened on three of the four laptops I've
owned, and in no case was it caused by software. (That's why I quit
buying anything other than Stinkpads -- say what you want about IBM's
machines, they have consistently good LCD screens.)
If you have actually been in the business for 15 years, you should
know this. Don't blame Linux for the failure of your screen.
quux111
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From: "Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:21:22 -0000
Glitch wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>[snip]
>> A classic example of this is RPM packages. How many times have you had a
>> failure due to unresolved dependancies and how many times have you
finally
>> loaded it then have no idea how to actually run the bloody program ( let
>> alone find out where its ended up being installed). I've yet to even find
a
>> program that asks you if you want an option on your tool bar or menu.
>
>I hate RPM, for those very reasons. I use source tarballs whenever
>possible.
>
>> Then just to confuse issues you decide to install from source as there is
no
>> pre-compiled version available. Bad idea, all I ever seen to end up with
is
>> a load of obscure errors again.
>
>I dont' have that problem too much but it still happens. As I don't
>know which programs you are specifically talking about I can't give any
>advice except to make sure your libraries are up to date, try not to use
>an old distro, and make sure you read the README files carefully for the
>particular program.
>
>> A classic example occured today. I spent an hour trying to decompress
Corel
>> Paint from a CD-ROM and failing miserably until I realized it was because
>> the file ended in .GZ instead of .gz . Now alright I know Linux is case
>> sensitive but for God's sake does it need to be THAT case sensitive!
>
>Case sensitive is case sensitive. You needed capital letters and u were
>using lower case. Mistake.
>
>[snip]
>> Bye the way, has anyone who isn't a beardy geek (no insult intended)
>> actually successfully re-compiled their kernel and got exactly the result
>> they were looking for ???
>
>yes, many times. I'm using kernel 2.4 on both this desktop and my laptop.
>
Just to get a few things straight I thought I'd drop another posting.
The reason I wanted to recompile the kernel was because I had a floppy
tape drive and no common distributions supported it.
As far as dependences and kernel headers go, the installation was
Mandrake 7.2 full installation option and anything missing shouldn't really
be missing.
I have now managed to install and recompile kernel 2.4 thanks to Linux
Format and it worked first time with the exception of my sound card. I used
a tarball version rather than an RPM. I still don't think it's that easy to
do though. Does this mean I've now got to grow a beard ;-)
Thanks to everyone who posted helpful stuff, I really do appreciate it. A
lot of what I've learn is purely through trawling newsgroups for people with
similar problems and learning from it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has
learnt that way.
Please take note certain UNIX system engineer, some people help others in
difficulty, others just insult and criticise. If you haven't got anything
nice to say don't say anything at all.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 11:47:06 -0600
"meow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
> THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
While I disagree that Linux could possibly harm an LCD screen, I do agree
with you on one point.
Monitors and Video cards have supported automatic identificaiton of monitor
capabilities for years. Why doesn't Linux support this?
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:47:39 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >>
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Marty"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It has now moved on from that.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
>> >> >> > Malloy like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy is
>> >> >> > still posting his ridiculous responses like he was at the
>> >> >> > beginning of the thread. He hasn't moved on.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since
>> >> >> joined in, which means that some parts of the situation have
>> >> >> changed.
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
>> >> > Tholen, and have been for over a month. Dave is still posting his
>> >> > ridiculous response like he had in other threads. He hasn't moved
>> >> > on.
>> >>
>> >> Who is Dave?
>> >
>> > Haven't you been paying attention?
>>
>> I thought I had, but I mus have missed the relavent post.
>>
>> Who is dave?
>
> More evidence of your reading comprehension problems. Dave is none
> other than Tholen.
It is a daming that Aaron Kulkis gave me a more polite answer than you
could muster. I have not seed this message
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:33:26 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 31 Jan 2001 15:17:21 GMT...
...and meow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well this is just great
> I havent even had my Sony Vaio a week and the screens fucked
> I installed Mandrake 7.2 and when asked to choose a monitor choosse lcd
> that can do 1024x768 which worked fine initially but after a reboot it
> trashed the screen which is now permament
LCDs cannot burn out. They're fed by a digital controller.
mawa
--
Wenn die Wochentage Städte wären...
...dann wäre der Freitag Köln.
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From: Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: I am preparing to teach a Linux class and I am soliciting advice
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:00:47 +0000
On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 08:25:14 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 07:58:17 +0000, Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:52:17 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 00:30:09 +0000, Adie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:47:11 -0000, "Joanna Jakus-Pol" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>wrote:
>>>[deletia]
>>>>>>both
>>>>>> KDE and Gnome, and also netcfg....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show them that they can use other Office products instead of MS Office,
>>>>>> Show them Star Office, Abi-word (suite), K-Office etc
>>>>>
>>>>>and the last :
>>>>>
>>>>>TELL THEM THEY CAN COMPILE THE KERNEL!!!
>>>>>tell them how and that it is important and about main options
>>>>
>>>>Where can read about this in plain language?
>>>
>>> You really can't get much more plain than "do X and then
>>> click the checkboxes". All you really have to do is to
>>> be able to follow simple instructions.
>>
>>And where can I find these "do X and then click the checkboxes" ?
>
> Obscure places like files named README.
LOL as if iam gonna beleive that- sounds more like something from Alice in
Wonderland.
Silly Billy :O)
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From: "Joel Barnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bill knows what's best for you
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 10:09:31 -0800
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 01 Feb 2001 05:34:20 GMT, Joel Barnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >On Wed, 31 Jan 2001 05:09:10 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 18:09:03 -0800, Joel Barnett
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>news:957im4$c55$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>> In article <YNGd6.463$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> > "Trebor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>>> > news:YkEd6.29287$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>> >> Install the Windows Media Player version 7.00.00.1958 update on
Windows
> >>>> > 2000
> >>>> >> and, when the install is finished, your machine will be rebooted
by the
> >>>> >> installer program .. WITHOUT giving you an option to reboot now or
> >>>> >> reboot later. Isn't that wonderful?
> >>>> >
> >>>> > This isn't true. When it gets to the last screen, it says it's
> >>>> > finished, and tells you specifically that clicking next will reboot
the
> >>>> > computer. All you have to do is click cancel at this point to
abort it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yeah! Windows is so intuitive!
> >>>
> >>>Yeah, like in Linux where if you want a GUI to start on bootup you edit
> >>>/etc/inittab and change the run level to 5.
> >>
> >> ...or you just click a checkbox when you configure the GUI
> >> subsystem or the install OS...
> >
> >It is not difficult at all to change the run level, once you know how.
>
> Except the examples I cited DON'T REQUIRE KNOWLEDGE OF RUNLEVELS.
>
> >But the same goes for choosing 'reboot no' or 'cancel' at the end of a
> >Windows software install. Nothing is intuitive that you don't know how
> >to do, whether it's Linux, Windows, or rebuilding an automobile
>
> Clicking "start the GUI automatically" is not something that
> requires a tremendous amount of research into arcana. At worst
> it requires some very abstract and general information about
> how Unix works (namely that the GUI is infact optional).
No more intuitive than figuring out that if you select 'cancel' rather than
'reboot now' that the machine won't reboot immediately.
>
> >engine.
>
> It's quite dishonest to compare such a thing to "rebuilding
> and automobile engine". Even comparing direct manipulation
> of inittab to automotive mechanics is a bit of a stretch.
OK, but intuition usually comes with familiarity and that's true with Linux,
Windows , Mac OS, etc. Mac users often site how intuitive and easy to work
with the Mac os is compared to Windows. For me it's the opposite. Why ?
Because I've spent a lot more time with Windows than with Mac OS.
>
> --
>
> Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
>
> That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> |||
> / | \
jbarntt
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From: jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon
us
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:57:48 GMT
>In article <3a783a41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> complained about linux:
poor al,
he is yet another winbag who can't deal with the fact that his little
point and click world is changing.
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From: jim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux headache
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:00:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't want to start a flame war over this but there is one thing I
> want to get off my chest.
> Linux is an absolute nightmare to learn.
<snip>
no pain, no gain
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:14:11 +0000
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is anything that can be done about Kulkis and his foul mouth?
> > > > >
> > > > > Quit acting like a shithead, and I won't call you one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Deal?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are fucking fouled mouthed!
> > >
> > > "are" is a transitive verb.
> > > I see that here, goughtr used the word "you" is the subject....
> > > but failed to include a direct object.
> > >
> >
> > Although I accept what I wrote above was not grammatically perfect, the
> > meaning is more important. Correct grammer, in many cases, will only
> > serve to obfuscate the intended meaning. For the sake of preserving
> > clarity of meaning, "foul mouthed" (which I intended to write) can be
> > treated as a direct object.
>
> No...that's an adjective. Shit for brains.
>
Well fucking spotted. It may be treated equivalently to a direct object
however, without diminishing meaning. What I am saying is that there is
no need to actually use a direct object explicitly, as the meaning
remains clear. I am in no way trying to say that foul mouthed is
anything other than an adjective.
Fucking pedant.
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:25:10 -0700
meow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Well this is just great
> I havent even had my Sony Vaio a week and the screens fucked
> I installed Mandrake 7.2 and when asked to choose a monitor choosse lcd
> that can do 1024x768 which worked fine initially but after a reboot it
> trashed the screen which is now permament
> Fortunately its new and under warranty so ill get a new machine from
> them.
> This isnt the first time this has happened to me. Linux also fucked up a
> monitor i had a few years back too.
> THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
> THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
> Im a very experienced computer user and a program of 15 years so im not
> some hopeless newbie that can barely switch on there machine.
>
> mr angry
mr troll,
I'm not falling for it. Your first reaction to killing your Sony Vaio
is to jump on COLA and rant? I doubt it.
(besides, my Vaio runs XFree86 under both RedHat and FreeBSD just fine)
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: 31 Jan 2001 11:26:08 -0700
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "meow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
> > THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> > iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> > MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
>
> While I disagree that Linux could possibly harm an LCD screen, I do agree
> with you on one point.
>
> Monitors and Video cards have supported automatic identificaiton of monitor
> capabilities for years. Why doesn't Linux support this?
IT DOES!
RedHat's XConfigurator has been doing it for quite a long time now.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LOL now the BIND story hits mainstream News
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:27:06 -0000
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1142000/1142572.stm
Linux - lol, dead before the general public even knew about it...sure, big
in geek circles, but to joe soap? HA!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: 31 Jan 2001 18:28:47 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "meow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
>> THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
>> iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
>> MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
> While I disagree that Linux could possibly harm an LCD screen, I do agree
> with you on one point.
> Monitors and Video cards have supported automatic identificaiton of monitor
> capabilities for years. Why doesn't Linux support this?
Why doesnt NT? Its still possible to fry a modern monitor and video card
with NTs awful display control panel.
=====.
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The nightmare that the current Open Source king (Linux) has bestowed upon
us
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:32:00 -0000
Changing?
your Linsux world is going pop right before yout little penguin eyes....
Applixware RIP
CorelLinux RIP
StormLinux RIP
(fill in the others I have missed)
Who is next?
"jim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:959jmm$nfb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >In article <3a783a41$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "al" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> complained about linux:
>
>
> poor al,
>
> he is yet another winbag who can't deal with the fact that his little
> point and click world is changing.
>
>
> --
> deja.com - learn what you know, share what you don't
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft "INNOVATES" again!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:28:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
>
> >
> > It would be sad if it were true. Stardock's white papers are pretty
> > clear on the matter.
> >
> > To quote the Object Desktop for Windows white paper written 2 years
ago
> > originally:
> >
> > Begin quote --
> > What about Microsoft?
> > Since the day Stardock began working on Object Desktop, a common
> > question Stardock has received has been “What about Microsoft?
Aren’t
> > you afraid that they’ll steal your ideas?” Fear implies
uncertainty.
> > There is no uncertainty here. We fully expect Microsoft to
integrate
> > our concepts into future versions of Windows. From a marketing
point
> > of view, we are absolutely counting on it since it makes true our
> > marketing message – putting Object Desktop on your system is like
> > running a future version of Windows, today.
> >
> > As Microsoft incorporates our concepts into Windows, this provides
> > Stardock the ability to indirectly influence the direction Windows
> > takes and allows us to continue forward on our goal of improving the
> > user experience. As Microsoft implements our concepts, new APIs are
> > born, new features can thus be created. For instance, when
Microsoft
> > added alpha blended shadows into Windows 2000, this allowed us to
have
> > shadows that are supported at the OS level rather than us having to
> > manually simulate them. We could then create the WindowFX Object
> > Desktop component that provided full window shadows and
> > transparencies. Similarly, if Microsoft adds additional theming
> > support to Windows, this means new APIs must be created, APIs we can
> > use to extend our goals further. Each improvement to Windows itself
> > provides new opportunities for Object Desktop.
> >
> > There is the additional benefit as well, since Object Desktop works
> > across multiple versions of Windows, we benefit from users and
> > companies who want to roll out a standardized environment across
> > multiple versions of Windows (for instance, WindowFX works on
Windows
> > ME, but is accelerated on Windows 2000).
> >
> > Object Desktop on OS/2 had a similar effect on IBM. When IBM
created
> > OS/2 Warp 4, Object Desktop’s influence could not be denied.
Features
> > such as the “WarpCenter” (similar to OD’s Control Center) to the
> > positioning of the close button (in the exact same place as Object
> > Desktop’s placement) to the default layout of the OS/2 Warp 4
desktop
> > made many speculate that IBM was “out to get” Object Desktop.
Nothing
> > could have been further from the truth. If the developers of Object
> > Desktop had their wish, they would be OS developers. But the next
best
> > thing is being able to help guide the direction of OS development
and
> > Object Desktop can help do that. Thus, while OS/2 Warp 4 borrowed
many
> > concepts from Object Desktop 1, Object Desktop 2.0, released shortly
> > after OS/2 Warp 4’s release, provided a host of new environment
> > concepts. We hope the same comes true on Windows. Otherwise,
Object
> > Desktop’s feature set becomes limited. We can only move so far
forward
> > on a set of features without the OS vendor keeping its set of APIs
> > improving forward, preferably in the direction we are trying to go.
> > -- end quote
> >
> > It should be noted that visual styles have been in Whistler since
beta
> > 1. I can assure you, nobody at Stardock is quaking in their heels.
> >
> I never read the white paper, but recalled from memory the discussions
> Brad Wardell was involved in on UseNet. Thank you for correcting my
> erroneous assumptions.
>
> One interesting sidenote is that Object Desktop 2.0 was the last
> version for OS/2 (and according to many, it never left beta status).
> Shortly after its release StarDock abandoned OS/2 development. Was
> that because of the collapse of the OS/2 commercial software market as
> a whole or might it have had something to do with IBM incorporating
> too many of Object Desktop's elements into the base O/S?
>
What exactly did IBM incorporate into OS/2 from OD? Not very much. OD
2.0 came out in 1998 didn't it? After Warp 4. And Most people agree
that OS/2 died with Warp 4 back in 1996. If there are some hot selling
OS/2 products available today, I'm not aware of any.
> Personally, I'm inclined to think that an end user only wants so much
> tweaking possibilities. Once a large enough subset is available out of
> the package, any further development is considered eye-candy. What the
> threshold is between "I'll buy that" and "Nah. Don't need it" is
> basically called marketing <G>.
>
It's all based on percentages. Look at skinz.org, it's now rated as
being in the top 3000 websites in the world. It's dedicated to
providing "skins" to users who want to "tweak" their OS. Clearly there
are a lot of people who want to "tweak" their OS.
Not to mention, calling Object Desktop a tweak package is like calling
MS Office a text editor.
Cheers,
Draginol
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
>
>
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