Linux-Advocacy Digest #868, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 06:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate" (Terry Porter)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
DMCA as applied to MS Office documents? (Richard Thrippleton)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro ("Edward Rosten")
Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM (Paul Rudin)
Re: Windows 2000 is Cool (Richard Thrippleton)
Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!! (Matthew Gardiner)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate"
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 24 Apr 2001 09:05:47 GMT
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:07:05 +0100, Hullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I note you are all compelled to lie and falsify postings (the below comment
> attributed to me is fake).
>
> I guess it's true what I was told- you people make things up compulsively.
> You do your cause a great deal of harm when you lie as it reflects on
> everything you say. All I said was WINDOWS 2000 ROCKS.
>
> Assume nothing else.
I'll continue to assume what I like, Wintroll.
This is COLA, there is no *cause*, just our love of Linux, and entertainment
baiting sock puppets like you.
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:11:09 +0100
>> Stable? Where's the W2K box that's been running for 2 years?
>
> Well - I'd imagine that is about as possible as the linux 2.4 (release
> version) box that's been running for a year. Get it? I'll give you a
> clue, W2K release date < 2 years!
Yes, well done. You really need everything explained to you in minute
deatil don't you?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.emacs.help,alt.religions.vim,alt.religion.emacs,fj.editor.vi,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:13:02 +0100
>> >> punch cards are for weenies.
>> >>
>> >> Real men use front panel switches.
>> >
>> > Screw that. I say they use soldering irons.
>>
>> Quiche-eaters use soldering irons. Real programmers bite code into ROMs
>> with their teeth...
>
> Na. IC's are for weenies.
>
> real men use descrete wiring...hence the soldering iron.
Wires, yes. Sondering? no. They crimp the wires with their fingers (any
weenie can crimp using teeth).
-Ed
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You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:18:09 -0500
Ahh.. I see. When your wild ass statements are proven wrong, all you can do
is call people names.
Nice to know you're in good company here then.
"Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c2lkr$66m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> it seems the point is that you are a microsoft zombie
>
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:rJ4F6.9496$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > And your point is what? You are making wild ass statements without
> anything
> > to back them up.
> >
> > MicroPro was founded in 1978, three years after Microsoft.
> >
> >
>
http://sanfrancisco.bcentral.com/sanfrancisco/stories/1996/11/11/story3.html
> >
> > "Rubinstein's earlier creations made him a pile of money, but early
exits
> > and bittersweet endings tarnished their success. His ambitions for
Prompt
> > Software are driven in part by his failure to stay with MicroPro and
make
> > the company a household name. He founded the company in 1978, drove
sales
> to
> > $70 million and was its largest shareholder when it went public in 1984.
> > However, he lost day-to-day control in a corporate coup, which was
carried
> > out while he lay in a hospital bed with a near fatal coronary in 1983."
> >
> > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9c2il2$m5g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > see http://www.scrounge.org/worstar.html
> > >
> > > "During the period from the mid 1970's to the mid 1980's MicroPro
> WordStar
> > > ruled. WordStar was the first word processing program that was
produced
> > for
> > > microcomputers.
> > > These early, um, personal computers typically ran the CP/M operating
> > system,
> > > that, quite frankly, bears a remarkable similarity to the MS/DOS
> operating
> > > system that we (mostly) are now using. (Except that it had no
> > > subdirectories. This wasn't quite as bad as it seems, because most
users
> > > only used floppy diskettes, and separating things onto different
> diskettes
> > > served the same purpose as separating things into separate
> > subdirectories.)
> > > "
> > >
> > > there's more...
> > >
> > > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:pP2F6.9486$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > "Steve Long" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:9c2ais$eff$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > sorry...Excel is a MicroPro ripoff. come to think of it, the name
> > > > > "Microsoft" is a MicroPro ripoff.
> > > >
> > > > Microsoft has existed since 1975. When did MicroPro come into
being?
> > > >
> > > > > WNT is a VMS rip-off...
> > > >
> > > > That is a coincidence. The name was originally created to reference
> > OS/2
> > > > New Technology, but when MS and IBM split, they changed it to
Windows
> > New
> > > > Technology (then later changed it to say that NT didn't stand for
> > anything
> > > > since abbreviations are non-trademarkable)
> > > >
> > > > > for those that
> > > > > recall HAL (the letters of IBM backed up one each), WNT is VMS
> forward
> > > one
> > > > > character each.
> > > >
> > > > Arthur C. Clark has said time and time again that this is also a
> > > > coincidence. HAL stands for Heuristic, Algorithmic and Logarithmic
> > > > Computer.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:21:13 -0500
"Bobby D. Bryant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > Bullshit? It usually takes Linux 3-6 months from the release of a
product
> > before drivers are available for it. By that time, many of the OEM's
have
> > already moved on to other hardware.
>
> That's funny. I just built a system a few weeks ago by walking into the
local
> stores and buying whatever hot state-of-the-art components they had on the
> shelf. The only thing I avoided was WinModems. I installed the Red Hat
7.1
> "Fisher" beta on my Frankenstein box, booted it right up, and the only
driver I
> needed that wasn't already in the kernel was a Matrox driver that I
downloaded
> from www.matrox.com.
You're using a beta, this is not what an OEM is going to be using.
Why do you keep changing the argument? The point was in regards to OEM's
and OEM's (specifically Dell) ONLY.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:22:18 -0500
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
>
> Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> works great with Linux!
It does now, when using the latest kernel. It doesn't with a stock distro
from several months ago.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:23:10 +0100
> Hey nimwit! We had a poster trying to lecture us that homosexuals want
> to just "live their own private lives". But that isn't true is it.
Yes it is. Homosexuals are normal people. Normal people generally want to
live quiet lives. In general, homosexuals want to live quiet lives like
everyone else on the planet (in general).
In any group of people there will be a vocal group. But this is no
different from any other group of people. There are vocal christians. Are
you complaining? There are vocal environmentalists. Are youcomplaining?
There are vocal $PARTY_MEMBERS. Are you complaining?
> Because there is a loudmouth homosexual lobby...just like you said.
There is a loudmaout $WHATEVER lobby. Why not complain about all of them
too. Since there are so many loudmouth lobbys why pick on one to complain
about.
And the presencd of a loudmaout lobby doesn't imply that everyone
belonging to the same gropu as the lobby members are also loudmouths.
If L (loudmouths) are a dubset of H (homosexuals) then H is not a subset
of L. The presence of L does not imply that the majority of H's are also
Ls. Get it?
> They can't be forcing their homosexuality off on everybody, including
> our kids in school, and at the same time try and tell us they "just want
> to live their own private lives", now can they?
See above. L is a subset of H. This does not imply that L makes up the
majority of H.
Just like there are some cars are Ferraris, but the presencd of Ferraris
does not imply that almost all cars are in fact Ferraris.
You seem to be assuming that all H's behave in exactly the same way. You
need some serious attitude readjustment because you are just plain wrong.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:22:51 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > jtnews wrote:
> > >
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
> > >
> > > Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> > > and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> > > works great with Linux!
> >
> > Which means eric doesn't know what he's talking about.
>
> True, Eric must of last used Linux when the standard Xfree was 3.3.6,
> because support for the 810 shared memory graphics chip has been
> included with xfree since version 4.0
>
> Matthew Gardiner
> --
> Disclaimer:
>
> I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
>
> If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
>
> Running SuSE Linux 7.1
>
> The best of German engineering, now in software form
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:23:37 +0100
>> Look, you twit, of course you see the politically active ones because
>> they are politically active. Well, duh. You don't see the millions of
>> hohosexuals who aren't that politically activated. It is plain ignorant
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I can't believe you wrote that.
>
> ROTFLMAO
D'OH!
:)
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:25:15 +0100
> What ***POSSIBLE*** reason is there to be explaining homosexuality to
> 7-year old children unless your goal is to be getting them to start
> thinking about homosexual acts.
By the age of 7 kids have just started to call each other `Gay' as an
insult (from my memory of being 7). The attitude of intolerance should be
addressed as soon as it crops up. The longer you leave it, the harder it
will be.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,soc.support.fat-acceptance,alt.fan.jackie-tokeman
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:26:23 +0100
>> >> You don't see the millions of hohosexuals who aren't that
>> >> politically
> ^^^^
>> >> activated.
>> >
>> > redirect to: soc.support.fat-acceptance
>> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>>
>> What have politically inactive homosexuals got to do with fat
>> acceptance?
>
> You mistakenly mentioned people with a cream-filled, chocolate-covered
> cake fetish.
I make silly mistakes on the keyboard when I get tired and dring too much
coffee. My coordination goes *way* off.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Subject: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:22:47 +0000
I had this idea/nightmare the other day, and was wondering how
feasible it was. I'm sure this isn't strictly the best group, but there's a
lot of MS bashing going on, so why not? Now, if MS were to entirely close
the standards for MS Office document files in the next version, would they
be able to take action against Apple and Sun for AppleWorks and StarOffice
respectively under the terms of the DMCA? After all, if MS don't give them
permission to read their new document format but they go ahead and do it
anyway, they're breaking down proprietary 'encryption' (document format). If
they say they close the standard to prevent unauthorised copying of
documents, even better? Sorry to those of you who lose sleep over this
malign vision :)
So, how feasible is this all?
Richard
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:30:27 +0100
>> >> The thoughts are already there. I remember that when I was in junior
>> >> school (ie younger than 12) being called `gay' was an insult.
>> >> Although we did not fully know what it was about, the intolerance
>> >> had started. Since the intolerance was there, it needed to be
>> >> addressed. What better time to address it than before it has had too
>> >> long to become ingrained?
>> >
>> > you're a few million years too late
>>
>> So since the world is bad, we should not hope to change it for the
>> better? Is that really what you are saying?
>
>
> Question #1 How long have women been telling you that men should find
> obese 50-year old hags just as attractive as 22-year old women?
> Question #2 And in that time, has the attempted brainwashing campaign
> changed the TRUE desires of heterosexual men even one iota?
> a) yes B) NO
I think I understand your point, but I disagree. Finding women attrictive
is a low level thing in our barins that is designed to make us breed
better. Such things can be influenced to a fair degree, but there are
limits.
The intolerance of homosexuals is a much higher level thing and can
easily be changed.
Look at the ancgient Egyptians, the Romans and the Greeks. Homosexuality
was considered nomal and happily tolerated. People don't have to be
intolerant of homosexuals.
-Ed
>
> I rest my case.
>
>
>
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>> --
>> You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
>>
>> u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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>
>
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:34:18 +0100
> I did have a paragraph written in response to your 4 year degree
> bragging but have decided against posting it. But believe it or not the
> easiest money is found in places where 4 year degrees mean nothing.
That would be working at McDonalds. You require no degree, no skills and
little more than a brain stem. Has to be the easiest source of (not very
much) money.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:38:44 +0100
>>According to the definition of the suffix, sexist does not necessarily
>>specify a direction of the prejudice.
>>
>>So, according to my two dictionaries, this feminist is not correct in
>>general, since at best there is no firm consensus on the meaning.
>>
> Yeah, but you need to use some real dictionaries.
Care to explain how the Longman English dictionary and the Collins
dictionary are not real dictionaries? Mabey I'll check in the Oxford
English Dictionary (full length verson), or is that not a proper English
dictionary either?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:41:12 -0500
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> GreyCloud wrote:
> >
> > jtnews wrote:
> > >
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
> > >
> > > Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> > > and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> > > works great with Linux!
> >
> > Which means eric doesn't know what he's talking about.
>
> True, Eric must of last used Linux when the standard Xfree was 3.3.6,
> because support for the 810 shared memory graphics chip has been
> included with xfree since version 4.0
It has nothing to do with the version of X, it has to do with the AGP GART
support in the kernel. This support did not appear until 2.4 and 2.2.18
which came out in mid-december.
Of course, all wise and knowing Matthew, who knows so much more than mean
old nasty windows advocate Erik knows this... right? Wrong.
The point is that Dell sells low-end windows systems that are incompatible
with the version of Linux they use (RH 7.0). RH 7.0 shipped with kernel
2.2.12 IIRC. While Linux is today compatible, they're not going to change
their model lineups and images overnight.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:42:26 +0100
>> The Germans did, in fact have real, working computers before anyone
>> else.
>
> Well, Zuse certainly did, and although he had some public - i.e., war -
> funding initially, I'm pretty sure that was reduced/cut before the end
> of the war. He built his biggest machine in the living room of his
> parents- in-law.
No that was the first machine (the Z1) not the biggest. The biggest was
the Z4 (the second turing complete machine).
He built quite a lot of other machines as well, including one to control
the automatic production of aeroplane wings. That may have been the
biggest.
> It is very much the case that Zuse's contribution is almost invisible,
> compared to van Neuman and E&M.
He certainly got to the same place long before any of the others did.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:43:04 -0500
"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <GK4F6.9497$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Erik Funkenbusch"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal
> > users to do priviledged activities?
>
> The only priviledged activity that normal users will be allowed to do is
> write to the CD. Normal users would still not have the ability to load
> and unload drivers. If you have to give out this kind of authority on
> W2K to allow normal users to write CDs, why not just give everyone the
> password of administrator and be done with it?
"Loading" drivers means starting and stopping them, not installing them.
The users can only start and stop the drivers that the administrator has
installed, and the admin can deny them access to specific drivers by
disallowing them access in the ACL.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:43:56 +0100
> His first (Z1), but I doubt whether it was his biggest. The Z1 was
> destroyed in the bombardment of Berlin '44.
> http://www.zib.de/zuse/English_Version/Inhalt/Galerie/Z1/0701.jpg
Fortunately he built a working replica of the Z1 (in the 1980's IIRC).
I really want to go and see that.
Having seen the photographs, it is remarkably small.
-Ed
--
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:47:25 -0500
"Chronos Tachyon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
message
> >> Ouch, instant security compromise if you run a trojan that knows what
to
> >> look for. So much for the benefits of running as a mere mortal instead
> >> of Administrator.
> >
> > And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal
users
> > to do priviledged activities?
>
> Very. In Linux, you have at *least* 3 options that are more secure than
> what you described for Win2K:
>
> 1) Make your CD writing program setuid. If I'm not mistaken, cdrecord
(the
> most commonly used CD writing program under Linux) is designed to be
> relatively secure when made setuid, although I wouldn't really trust it
> without a full source audit.
You can do the same with Win2k. You can run any program as another user,
including administrator when you are not logged in as that account.
> 2) Do a "chgrp cdrom /dev/{sr,sg}0; chmod 0660 /dev/{sr,sg}0", then make
> your CD writing program setgid. This way, the program does not gain root
> permissions at any time during its execution.
You can do the same in Win2k setting the execute permissions to the device
drivers to only administrators and then giving permission to only one user
or groups of users, then giving them the ability to start and stop devices.
They can only then start the devices they have permissions to.
> 3) Do the same chgrp/chmod, then edit /etc/login.defs so that users who
log
> in at the console automatically gain access to the cdrom group.
This would require some scripting to work under Win2k, but you could do it
as well.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux needs a standard, user proof distro
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:48:03 +0100
>>sysrq = alt+print screen
>
> What about ctrl+alt+backspace ?
That is processed by the X server. If its hung, then it may not respond
to that. The kernel processes system requests so they get notices even if
the keyboard is in raw mode ant the app on the terminal is a dead as a
doornail.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DMCA as applied to MS Office documents?
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:49:55 +0100
> I had this idea/nightmare the other day, and was wondering how feasible
> it was. I'm sure this isn't strictly the best group, but there's a lot
> of MS bashing going on, so why not? Now, if MS were to entirely close
> the standards for MS Office document files in the next version, would
> they be able to take action against Apple and Sun for AppleWorks and
> StarOffice respectively under the terms of the DMCA? After all, if MS
> don't give them
> permission to read their new document format but they go ahead and do
> it
> anyway, they're breaking down proprietary 'encryption' (document
> format). If they say they close the standard to prevent unauthorised
> copying of documents, even better? Sorry to those of you who lose sleep
> over this malign vision :)
> So, how feasible is this all?
Fortunately, the Open Source movement is a global phenomenon. Not all
countries have such silly laws.
-Ed
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 04:50:14 -0500
"Chad Everett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >And how is that any different from opening up Linux to allow normal users
to
> >do priviledged activities?
>
> What he suggested is patently WRONG:
>
> Trouble is what you suggested doesn't work worth beans on W2K Pro.
> Why don't you actually try it before you suggest it.
>
> First: Easy CD Creator and NERO both tell you that only Administrator
> can write to CDs on Windows 2000 Pro. Whether I've given users
> permission to load and unload device drivers or not.
Funny, I'm burning a CD as we speak under a non-administrator account using
the method I mentioned using Nero. I don't have EZCD Creator so I can't
test that.
> Second: I don't want users to be able to load and unload any device
> driver that they want. I want to only give them access to the CD/RW
> drive. I'm sure you can see the difference.
Then only give them permissions to for it. That's what ACL's are for.
Remove execute access.
> Bottom line: no solution on Windows 2K Pro. Users can't use CD/RW
> drives to create CDs.
And you forgot again about running the program as adminstrator from your
account.
> Try it yourself and you'll see.
I am.
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From: Paul Rudin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
gnu.emacs.help,alt.religions.vim,alt.religion.emacs,fj.editor.vi,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Tired of XEMACS, moving to VIM
Date: 24 Apr 2001 10:52:54 +0100
>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Aaron> magnetic disks are for weenies.
Aaron> real men use punch cards.
Pah, re-wiring the front panel is the only way to program :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Thrippleton)
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:30:57 +0000
In article <9c2k9a$cqg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Hullo wrote:
>It really is great, try it out.
I'd love to, but I've looked all over MS's site and just can't find
the PPC demo download.....
Richard, loving cross-platform
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Buy Microsoft stock!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 22:00:01 +1200
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > Anyone that buys an i810 based motherboard (and they sell millions)
> >
> > Hey! I have an i810e in my Dell Dimension L600cx,
> > and my other 3 Dell Dimension L700cx's and it
> > works great with Linux!
>
> It does now, when using the latest kernel. It doesn't with a stock distro
> from several months ago.
SuSE Linux 7.0 released at the end of last year supported 810 chipset.
Matthew Gardiner
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