Linux-Advocacy Digest #927, Volume #31 Sat, 3 Feb 01 06:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: NTFS Limitations (Charlie Ebert)
Re: NTFS Limitations (J Sloan)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Linux is a fad? ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( (Pete Goodwin)
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("Edward Rosten")
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is a fad? ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Edward Rosten")
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: The 130MByte text file (Pete Goodwin)
Re: More Mandrake Fun :( ("--====--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:20:47 GMT
In article <95gda1$boi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steve Mading wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>: news:95fmge$dju$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>:>
>:> : So, with that, I ask you guys:
>:> : 1. Why is Linux the most vulnerable web server platform?
>:>
>:> I don't know. Have you stopped beating your wife yet?
>
>: *PL0NK*
>
>: Now I KNOW that even YOU don't know what the hell you're talking about.
>
>Okay, unless Chad was lying about the plonking, he probably won't
>see this, but it needs to be said, to defend myself: The question
>"Have you stopped beating your wife?" is often used as a classic
>example of the practice of assuming facts not in evidence during
>the phrasing of a question. I had thought that this reference was
>a standard part of pop culture and everyone would know it. Perhaps
>I was wrong about that. I was making reference to the fact that
>Chad was trying to hide an unsupported assertion inside his question:
>the assertion that Linux is the most vulnerable web server platform.
>
../../../
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From: J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 09:38:21 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >Okay, unless Chad was lying about the plonking, he probably won't
> >see this, but it needs to be said, to defend myself: The question
> >"Have you stopped beating your wife?" is often used as a classic
> >example of the practice of assuming facts not in evidence during
> >the phrasing of a question. I had thought that this reference was
> >a standard part of pop culture and everyone would know it. Perhaps
> >I was wrong about that. I was making reference to the fact that
> >Chad was trying to hide an unsupported assertion inside his question:
> >the assertion that Linux is the most vulnerable web server platform.
What Chad doesn't want to talk about is that
even though windows has barely 20% of the
web serving market on the internet, it has the
lead in the number of website defacements, a
fact well documented on the site devoted to
tracking this matter.
The common fud is that "if Unix ever became as
popular a platform as windows nt, it would have
all the same virus and security problems that
windows nt does" - In the light of the fact that
Unix, which powers over 2/3 of the websites on
the net, suffers far fewer website breakins than
windows nt, which has a small minority of the
websites on the net, it becomes clear that their
position is devoid of merit.
jjs
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:39:05 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Difference my experience is real and yours is imagined or you would
> have posted it here earlier in glee.
>
Nope, had similar experiences several times.
Difference is, with wintendo one takes such things for granted
and does not report every occurence of it. Otherwise you would
be reporting constantly
--
Linux is simply a fad that has been generated by the media
We are Borg. Resistance is futile (Borg Gates)
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:05:48 -0000
(sound of hand clapping)
Well, beats me.
Goodnight, I'll get my coat and switch off the lights when I go.....
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:13:09 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> Keep in mind that flatfish makes this stuff up as he goes along.
> Pete and he are a tag team now -
I'm not making anything up.
You are in denial because I'm threatening your sacred cow.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:11:28 +0000
In article <n3ie6.7623$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Edward Rosten writes:
>
>>>>> Marty writes:
>
>>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> Edward Rosten wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It has now moved on from that.
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
>>>>>>>>>>>> Malloy like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy
>>>>>>>>>>>> is still posting his ridiculous responses like he was at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> beginning of the thread. He hasn't moved on.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since
>>>>>>>>>>> joined in, which means that some parts of the situation have
>>>>>>>>>>> changed.
>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring
>>>>>>>>>> Tholen, and have been for over a month. Dave is still posting
>>>>>>>>>> his ridiculous response like he had in other threads. He
>>>>>>>>>> hasn't moved on.
>
>>>>>>>>> Who is Dave?
>
>>>>>>>> Haven't you been paying attention?
>
>>>>>>> I thought I had, but I mus have missed the relavent post.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who is dave?
>
>>>>>> More evidence of your reading comprehension problems. Dave is none
>>>>>> other than Tholen.
>
>>>>> On what basis do you make that claim, Marty?
>
>>>> Tholen, are you Dave?
>
>>> Which one, Letterman?
>
>> I don't know.
>
> But you're the one asking the question.
Incorrect. I was asking if you were Dave, not Dave Letterman.
>> are you the `Dave' that Marty and Kulkis refer to?
>
> Ask them. Different people have different names for me.
Well, Aaron seems to refer to you as Dave Tholen.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:13:13 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe Malloy"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tholing, Tholen tholes:
>
>> > That would be you, Dave Tholen.
>>
>> Classic invective, as expected from someone who lacks a logical
>> argument.
>
> You're so funny (and not in a humorous way), Tholen! You're so eager to
> cite multiple instances of what you call "invective" that you don't
> provide the reader with anything approaching your "invective" in the
> message, posted in its entirety, above! You're so lame, Tholen, one
> almost feels sorry for you.
You don't actually know what invective means, do you? Go look it up in a
dictionary.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:17:31 +0000
Tim wrote:
> Try again as a non-root user.
I always log in as 'goodwin' a non-super-user. I use root _only_ when I'm
configuring something.
> And don't say you did this as a normal user with proper ulimit set,
> you big liar.
Linux Mandrake has no ulimit set after installation. I found this out when
I tried a simple application that forked ad infinitum. Someone told me
later Mandrake doesn't set limits by default.
So, how am I lying?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:17:59 +0000
> And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> because that is the distribution that I bought.
Well, you're wrong.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:19:16 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Difference my experience is real and yours is imagined or you would have
> posted it here earlier in glee.
ROFL!!
You're the one who posts stories as soon as you can imagine them.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:21:59 +0000
. wrote:
> You're an idiot, seriously. You just admitted here AGAIN that its not
> the OS.
Nitpick!
> Moron, the OS is not opening the file. The size of the largest file
> openable has NOTHING to do with the OS, but with the application youre
> using to open it. (note, for everyone other than pete: QNX is a
> reasonable
> exception to this rule, as are many other realtime OSen). You have
> shown this to be the case beyond the shadow of a doubt, yet you continue
> to deny it.
Nitpick!
> Bullshit. You DONT KNOW, youre GUESSING. Not only are you GUESSING, but
> you refuse the advice and commentary of those who actually know what
> theyre talking about (most of whom have many thousands of times more
> experience with linux than you).
Seems a pretty reasonable guess to me.
> Theres only one conclusion to this pete. You're an idiot because you WANT
> to be, not because theres something pre-nataly wrong with you. You're a
> moron because you're lazy and pigheaded. Stop being those things and join
> us.
I've no wish to join a bunch of people so rabidly in denial it's
unbelievable.
> No, actually you dont, because since your system "hung", you actually
> couldnt confirm this. It could have been dumping a corefile.
As I said, a pretty good guess.
> THEN SSH, OR RLOGIN, OR SLOGIN, OR FTP, OR SFTP. FUCKING HELL, pete,
> youre so stupid I cant even believe you remember to BREATHE.
And what if the other system has no of these tools? I mean, FTP and TELNET
are the only tools on Windows Millenium.
I tried FTP and TELNET.
GUESS WHAT?
THEY BOTH HUNG!!!
Incidentally, if I can't remember to breathe, I'd be dead. Since I'm not,
who's the idiot now?
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:19:21 -0000
New Zealand has electricity?
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Lets have a look at the long post of psuedo-facts:
>
> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> > Oh my ribs, they are sore after both
> >
> > a) laughing
> >
> > b) being poked by youir razor sharp funny finger.
> >
> > I have tried linux, mandrake, redhat, storm, turbo and even yellow dog
on
> > machine i borrowed for a month.
> >
> > Dont like them...sorry, maybe its personal taste, but i'd rather stay
with
> > windows 2000 where i can
> >
> > a) buy software off the shelves
> >
>
> I do, except, I am the so-called "e-shopper", hence I either goto
> www.lokigames.com for my gaming needs, or www.drfloppy.co.nz for programs,
or
> www.vistasource.com for my office suite I have just purchased, hence, for
me as
> a netizen, I am quite dandy.
>
> >
> > b) play the latest games
>
> I only play Simcity 3k and Civilisation CTP, I know I could probably get
other
> games, but why purchase more games when I won't play them, hence, I am
catered
> for needs. Also, I know very few Windows users who actually use legally
bought
> software, esp. Office, considering it's nice price tag of $NZ850 for a
standard
> edition, which most New Zealand consumers don't like to waste there money
on,
> they either pir8 a copy or use an alternative such as StarOffice 5.2 or
> Vistasource's Office Suite.
>
> >
> >
> > c) use the latest hardware (do the words USB still strike fear into your
> > heart?...it should, as far as I know only mice & keyboards are
> > supported....oh dear)
>
> hmm, the only "new" usb devices that aren't supported are ones not used by
the
> populas, you may like to feel special because you use some obscure piece
of
> hardware (so you can boast at your local Windows orgy), but most people
actually
> use their computer as a tool, not a sex partner like you.
>
> >
> >
> > d) not worry that the libraries will get broken if i had to install bet
a
> > test software.
>
> Can you say DLL HELL! I have never had a problem with Linux libraries.
Need to
> update a library, download and install it in a flash. So whats you point
here?
>
> >
> > e) use a good browser rather than the beta offerings or the half
finished
> > offerings given to linux users. LOL - case in point Netscape 4.x/6 and
> > Konqueror..... NOW thats BAD.
> >
>
> I use Netscape and have no problems with it, so I don't know what you are
> getting at?
>
> >
> > f) worry about getting the latest Kernel and then buggering it all up
> > because the kernel needs to be patched to enable sound, PPP etc etc rah
rah
> > rah
> >
>
> kernel driver patch = driver (like under windows). And yet again, I never
have
> these problems. Maybe these problems are just you.
>
> >
> > g) I can use standard applications at home and then go into any office
and
> > hey, the same things...wow......
> >
>
> I use FreeBSD w/ Vistasource Office 5.0 and at University, I use Word, and
I
> have no problems when using the document on either machine. Yet again, I
don't
> know what you are getting at.
>
> >
> > h) avoid arcane command line crap....i mean, who the hell wants to go
> > through an entire user manual to get the sound card to initialise and
then
> > find it wont ?
>
> I mainly use the GUI (no hassles please) and I also use the Command line.
And
> as as I remember, to get the sound working under Redhat, drop to command
line
> and run sndconfig, the sound card is automatically detected. In the case
of
> SuSE, load up yast 2 (the GUI version) and it is automatically detected.
Yet
> again, I don't know what you are getting at.
>
> >
> >
> > i) who would want to sacrifice a Windows/Windows solution for a
> > Linux/Windows integrated solution until there is some more solid,
documented
> > applications and cases that have already tried it and detailed the pros
and
> > cons? Linux has a long way to go before stepping up to the corporate
> > plate...
>
> Thats the US. People in the US are easy to con (talk to a street market
seller
> in India, and you'll pleasently be surprise who she/he can REALLY con out
of
> $100's). Here in New Zealand, Linux is sweeping through the corporate seen
like
> wildfire, and as always, the US will the be the lasts ones to convert.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:28:33 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Oh, you mean like mine? Last night? I did your exact same test and had
> no problem getting out of it. Using the exact steps that I gave you
> before, based upon your criteria: 130MB text file, Linux editor. I gave
> you one text and one GUI, neither hanged the entire system. That's
> enough to refute your claim that Linux can't handle 130MB without
> hanging.
Which editors?
> Well, I have no idea. I created a 130MB text file, tried opening it in
> vi in text mode and kwrite in GNOME, and in both cases I could get out
> of it without having the entire OS crash. Without being able to sit down
> at your computer and see what the hell you're doing, your story cannot
> either be dealt with or verified.
KWrite is the KDE Text Editor. When I tried to load 130MBytes, it crashed.
Did you try the Advanced Text Editor - that's the one that made my system
go into a paging fit?
> As far as I'm concerned, at this point it's just your word we have to go
> on, and since you already have an obvious bias against Linux, I'd say
> whatever problems you claim to have are less a fault with Linux, and
> more a question of you WANTING to find fault with Linux. Hence, your
> word is questionable.
And with your obvious bias in favour of Linux, your word is about as
questionable.
> > Any system that freezes the mouse, keyboard etc. is hung. That's what
> > I call a hang, what do you call yours?
>
> See above. I didn't call it a hang because my system didn't hang.
Then your comments are pointless.
> > And if the mouse has stopped responding, what then?
>
> See above.
Pointless.
> > The original text file is 10MBytes. I pushed it up to 130MBytes to
> > demonstrate a point - that PFE a GUI text file editor does not die on
> > Windows.
>
> I see. A fabricated test. Just like what your average desktop user might
> want to do. See above about your obvious bias. In the real world, your
> average desktop user has better things to do with their time, and Linux
> has plenty of tools to offer to help them do this.
I didn't fabricate the test. A linux advocate did. Talk about bias!
> The basis of your advocacy is a silly test, performed by a person who
> doesn't know how to get out of a little bit of trouble. For that, yeah,
> you may piss off, because the body of people that you represent isn't
> worthy to be in an advocacy discussion. You do not represent the average
> Linux newbie, you do not represent the average Linux user, and you do
> not represent the average desktop user. All you represent is one of the
> small group of trolls who manufacture retarded comparison tests in the
> hope of getting a little bit of attention based on results of said
> retarded comparison tests. At this point, if anybody else wants to pay
> attention to you, they can feel free.
I did not create the test, a linux advocate did. So, your referring to one
of your own people when you use the term 'retarded'.
In any case, piss off yourself.
I'm amazed at how quickly you guys sink to gutter language when faced with
something you don't like. There are some here who are quite happy to
discuss this without falling down like this. To them I give a reasonable
discussion and will give the time of day. To you I use your own words:
"Piss off, Retard!"
> But you hear that sucking sound? It's the gaping void between your ears
> desperately searching for IQ points surrounding it. And I for one am
> through dealing with it on this discussion.
Good! Then we won't have to put up with your nonsense anymore!
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2001 10:28:21 +0000
> I shall expand the list for you.....
>
> Sinclair Microdrives (UK tape alternatives to floppies in the 80's)
>
> Sinclair C5
>
> TV-AM
>
> Peter Mandleson MP
LOL! Only one of those relly DESERVED to go.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:28:27 -0000
I have that as well, man does that bite....
Nustcrape crashed the machine, and despite attempts it wouldnt reboot,
instead kept giving error messages....
Stable?
not in my experience.....nasty muck...
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> again.
> Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> Can't login to another terminal.
> Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> BRS time.
>
> Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> churning still has not produced a working system.
>
> I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
> expect much.
>
> Great system this Linux.
> Great system indeed.
> Great system NOT!!!!
>
> And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> because that is the distribution that I bought.
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:31:47 +0000
Mig wrote:
> Thats an illogical argument. If Linux had a swapfile problem you can be
> sure it had showed before and taken care of. Its simply X that hangs and
> since X has full control of input devices (i presume that) you cannot get
> out of it. X has a bug - my guess is that keyboard and mouse input should
> have higher priority than other processes controlled by XFree86. I have
> read posts by others in this forum where they experienced a similar
> problem and killed the proces by telneting to their box. This fits very
> well with logic and simple theory.
I ran the test again with the advanced text editor. It repeated the system
hang.
I'm basing my argument on my experience with other operating systems. Once
they start to heavily page, generally everything suffers, or runs
unimaginably slowly.
I tried PING, FTP and TELNET, and PING was the only one working. FTP hung,
TELNET hung (strange, since there's no daemon running).
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:30:08 -0000
Thats quite funny......
Charlie EGGbert
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Craig Kelley wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >> So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> >> properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> >> just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> >> and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> >> times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> >> again.
> >> Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> >> Can't login to another terminal.
> >> Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> >> BRS time.
> >
> >Just give up on Linux already. You're cursed.
> >
> >I've been using it for 6 years now, and that's never happend to me.
> >
> >--
> >The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
> >Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
>
>
> He is the funniest fucking asshole we have.
>
> He can't manage to use his real name because his own
> comments would embarrase him.
>
> He could make up a name for himself, but I guess
> he will always be flatfish.
>
> Well, he's always asking why flatfish.
>
> I'll tell you why flatfish.
>
> Flatfish to me means tuna. He's caught in a net
> somewhere and got canned.
>
> That's what I think.
>
> Charlie
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:33:24 +0000
J Sloan wrote:
> What happened was he claimed to have tried to install
> Linux on the machine, but suffered no end of comical and
> unbelievable woes, and posed as if he were seeking help.
> When the folks here tried to help him solve his self inflicted
> pain, he gleefully revealed that he'd actually installed windows
> on the machine in question.
And I've been accused of lying. Sheesh!
I did not "gleefully reveal" I'd actually installed Windows on the system.
I SAID SO IN MY FIRST POST, you liar! Likewise, I never posed as if I were
seeking help!
> There was some discussion about whether he had ever
> actually installed Linux, or whether it was just another tactic
> to chew up bandwidth, waste time, and lower the already low
> signal to noise ratio in the group.
Still in denial I see.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The 130MByte text file
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:36:08 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I guess my point is that this test says nothing important about the
> applications or operating systems in question. You're using tools in
> ways they were never intended to be used -- if you use a wrench to
> drive nails, you can't complain that the wrench is defective. You can
> crash *any* OS with rigged tests -- I know of a simple five-line C
> program that will bring even a mainframe to its knees (if the
> mainframe is improperly configured, which many of them are).
Simply writing a program that forks endlessly will take any unrestricted
system out. Incidentally, I tried it on Linux Mandrake 7.2. Woops!
> Using your test as a yardstick to judge Linux is just silly. I will
> grant that many apps in Linux have bugs, but then so do many Windows
> programs. Software in general is buggy (a point on which I've ranted
> at length). The world's an imperfect place.
I just thought it was interesting that one application can handle it on
Windows and one hangs Linux. It flied in the face of all the statements
here about how reliable Linux is.
--
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
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From: "--==<\( Jeepster \)>==--" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Mandrake Fun :(
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 10:33:42 -0000
Listen, living all the way down at the bottom of the world as you do, where
dark and terrible things happen to chicken heads and the sheep tremble when
wellies are worn, you cannot in all of the heavens honestly dare to comment
on our north western 'magic' can you?
Also, are you some sort of Borg collective?
"Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> use SuSE Linux with reiserfs, then life will be easier. Also, until you
> actually use other distro's and stop bitching like an old hen, NOW ONE
> will take you seriously as a Linux critic, instead most will view you as
> a 15 year old punk with a chip on his shoulder.
>
> Matt
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > So today I go to shut down Mandrake 7.2 and it won't shut down
> > properly. It goes through the menues of turning things off but then
> > just goes back to the KDM login screen which blinks for a second or 2
> > and then it tries to start the X-Server, which blinks a couple of
> > times and it goes through the same routine, over and over and over
> > again.
> > Can't kill the X-server via key presses.
> > Can't login to another terminal.
> > Ctrl-Alt-Del does not work.
> > BRS time.
> >
> > Next boot up entire file system is scrambled and after 5 hours of
> > churning still has not produced a working system.
> >
> > I'm going to let it churn over night and see what happens but I don't
> > expect much.
> >
> > Great system this Linux.
> > Great system indeed.
> > Great system NOT!!!!
> >
> > And before you tell me that Mandrake is NOT Linux, to me it IS Linux
> > because that is the distribution that I bought.
> >
> > Flatfish
> > Why do they call it a flatfish?
> > Remove the ++++ to reply.
>
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