Linux-Advocacy Digest #818, Volume #32           Thu, 15 Mar 01 10:13:03 EST

Contents:
  Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows?? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: The Linux office, a possible future..... (Roberto Alsina)
  Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows?? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Ian Davey)
  Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: NT at sea (Gerbrand van Dieijen)
  Re: There is money in Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: There is money in Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: .Net to run on Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows??
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:12:13 -0500


Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
 
> "Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Don't you think 2001 and is a little late to finally be coming out with
> > > Pre-emptive multitasking, Memory protection, and full virtual memory?
> > >
> > > Cripes, Apple worked on their Next Generation OS (Copeland) for close to
> > > 10 years before finally giving up and admitting defeat that their
> > > programmers
> > > just couldn't "fix" the MacOS.  They needed to start over from scratch.
> > >
> >
> > Well, Apple in that case had the grace to give up. MS did not, they
> > stuffed Win9X unto the world.
>
> Win9X wasn't meant to "fix" windows.  It was meant as a hack to move people
> to NT.  It wasn't supposed to stick around this long, but MS decided to
> chase after the enterprise market which severely delayed the release of a
> consumer version of NT.
>
> You act like MS *WANTED* there to be a Windows 95.  They didn't.  They would
> have much rather had you switch to NT back in 93 than maintain two OS's for
> another 8 years.

Yeah, yeah....exactly WHO twisted Gates' and Ballmer's arms to get them
to conceive, develop, ballyhoo, send payola and "leaks" to columnists,
and release LoseDOS 9x

WHO?!?!?!

Be precise.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Linux office, a possible future.....
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 11:15:09 -0300

Pete Goodwin wrote:

> In article <98ojh6$31skv$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> says...
> 
> > > Tried the pixie viewer yet?
> > 
> > I use pixie every day, what's the problem with it?
> 
> If you close the window with the 'pixie' on it, all windows close. 
Fair
> enough, I suppose, but a little annoying.

Well, that is the main window. That is by design.
All other windows make references to what is there. If it is not there, 
what is the meaning of the other windows?

> Once you get the thumbnail viewer up, it frequently reverts to its
> preferred layout, rather than the one I just set it to.

Not here.

> For a large directory, it sits there redrawing an icon for every 
file...
> sheesh...

Not here.
 
> It appears to me to be an 'early release' or 'beta' product.

I really don't see what you mean. Maybe you prefer to use kview.
Or konqueror itself. Or the gimp, or whatever.

-- 
Roberto Alsina


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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Macintosh as an alternative to Windows??
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:23:23 -0500

Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> 
> Then why did they continue to push WIndows 95? Wouldnt of it been better to
> improve NT, and force, sorry, I meant "encourage" software companies to port
> them code to the win32 api?  The one thing I could never understand was why it
> took Lotus to, after 5 years, finally make Lotus 123 32bit?  Why after 5 years,
> we still have toss pots out there wanting to run win16 and dos code and winge
> when the new version of Windows (Windows XP) will not fully support their
> applications , GET OVER IT, they are dead, get over it, make you software 32bit
> and make everyones life easier.  I think 5 years is definately long enough for
> software companies to make their code 32bit, if you haven't done so, wtf have
> you been for the last 5 years?
> 

Why should they?

Unix still runs code from the early 1970's.

Any machine with a Fortran compiler still runs code from the 1960's

The conversion from the Win16 API to the Win32 API is *NOT* trivial.


If it were simpley a matter of replacing  syscall_16(arguments) with
syscall_32(arguments) and recompiling, the Lose32 API based products
would have been available immediately, but they aren't.  Given the
profit-motive involved, there must be some SERIOUS impediments to
conversion from the Lose16 API to the Lose32 API.

So, you must ask yourself....what was making it so difficult to
upgrade from the Lose16 API to the Lose32 API?



The only reason this is an issue at all is because the M$ API's were never
properly conceived, let alone well-written, and so constant re-shuffling
is the norm, and backwards compatibility is so far out in dreamland it's
laughable to talk about it ....with M$ platforms.

We won't even talk about the supposed inability to come up with a
trivial virtual MS-DOS machine to run on Neutered Technology.

The fact is...it's a CHURNING RACKET.

In the securities field, such practices not only put you out of
business...it puts you IN JAIL.
7



For the rest of the world, backwards compatibility is considered not
merely standard, but MANDATORY.

You're problem is that you're thinking like yet another Middle Aged Fat
Ass Manager who thinks he knows everything about computing because he's
mastered the Start button.



> Matthew Gardiner
> 
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> > Uhh.. no.  NT Workstation was released at the same time as NT Server.
> >
> > I still have my RC1 of NT 3.1 Workstation dated July 1993.
> >
> > WIndows 95 was barely even a concept when NT was released, much less a
> > "rollout plan".
> >
> > "Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > I actually followed the roll out of Windows 95 and NT, and the concept was
> > > going to be, have NT as the server OS, and have Windows 95 as the desktop
> > OS,
> > > reason why they wanted to push Windows 95 onto the desktop market was to
> > allow
> > > companies to continue to use their old, DOS/Win16 based apps whilst have
> > the
> > > potential to use 32bit applications once they were ready and selling.
> > However,
> > > what happened, corperatins chose to install a cut down version of NT
> > server so
> > > that they had the multi-user, security capabilities to stop employees from
> > > fucking up computer settings.  Microsoft bowed to corperate pressure and
> > > released a NT Workstation version with those capabilities, hence, the
> > split was
> > > made.
> > >
> > > Matthew Gardiner
> > >
> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Don't you think 2001 and is a little late to finally be coming out
> > with
> > > > > > Pre-emptive multitasking, Memory protection, and full virtual
> > memory?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cripes, Apple worked on their Next Generation OS (Copeland) for
> > close to
> > > > > > 10 years before finally giving up and admitting defeat that their
> > > > > > programmers
> > > > > > just couldn't "fix" the MacOS.  They needed to start over from
> > scratch.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, Apple in that case had the grace to give up. MS did not, they
> > > > > stuffed Win9X unto the world.
> > > >
> > > > Win9X wasn't meant to "fix" windows.  It was meant as a hack to move
> > people
> > > > to NT.  It wasn't supposed to stick around this long, but MS decided to
> > > > chase after the enterprise market which severely delayed the release of
> > a
> > > > consumer version of NT.
> > > >
> > > > You act like MS *WANTED* there to be a Windows 95.  They didn't.  They
> > would
> > > > have much rather had you switch to NT back in 93 than maintain two OS's
> > for
> > > > another 8 years.
> > >


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Davey)
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 14:24:19 GMT

In article <BxWr6.293$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thank You for being honest when you were:  The GPL has restrictions by default
>on redistribution.  Therefore, it isn't free.
>
>If you admit that the GPL isn't free, then you are honest.  If you claim that
> it is
>free, then you are obviously not honest.  (It is really clear, especially
> understanding
>that the GPL doesn't allow redistribution UNLESS you follow certain
> procedures.)

So a newspaper isn't free speech because it has restrictions on how it can be 
reproduced? I can't tear a few stories out of a newspaper and use them to 
create my own newspaper. But according to you, restrictions on how something 
can be reused makes it no longer free. So are newspapers, books and magazines 
suddenly not examples of free speech?

ian.

 \ /
(@_@)  http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
/(&)\  http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
 | |

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What Linux MUST DO! - Comments anyone?
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:29:59 -0500

Renate Meijer wrote:
> 
> > > Postscript for word processing.
> >
> > Nonsense. PostScript is just a way to store prepress data.
> 
> Eeehhmmmm...  'xcuse me. I don't like to butt in, but this is absurd. I've been
> working with PostScript for 4 years or so.  It's a full fledged programming language
> specialized in anything graphic. I should know, i've written programs in it. They
> ran (amongs others) on a LaserWriter, Adobe, Harlequin and GNU RIP's, which are
> valid computer platforms you can log in to. Strange, isn't it? You can play
> wonderfull pranks with it, too if you manage to exit the serverloop.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Sounds interesting...wanna elaborate?

> 
> Look at adobe's redbook if you don't believe me. Nothing is as easy as it seems.
> 
> Eowine.


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerbrand van Dieijen)
Subject: Re: NT at sea
Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:40:09 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 05 Mar 2001 20:33:59 -0900, Homer Simpson wrote:
>I see that they just launched a new aircraft carrier and named
>it after Ronald reagan:
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/03/04/bush.reagan.carrier.ap/index.html
>
>I wonder if that's because it's one of those newfangled NT powered 
>warships that forgets where it is?

Are those things still ran by Windows NT?

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is money in Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:44:58 -0500

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Yet I get to hear about the odd Linux company whose stock is slipping
> and
> > > sliding downwards.
> >
> > So is Microsofts stocks.... they around $56 / share now... back when they
> > started it was about $45 / share.
> > That was in 1982.
> 
> That would be quite a trick, since they didn't IPO until 1994, and they were
> founded in 1975.


IPO = initial PUBLIC offering.

It doesn't mean that the stock wasn't in existance before then.  In fact,
to incorporate, you MUST issue stock.  Are you claiming that Microsoft didn't
incorporate until 1994?


> 
> Additionally, their stock price was over $100 on IPO, and has since split 8
> times, giving them an adjusted price (relevant to their IPO price/shares) of
> over $800 if they had never had any splits.

Split 8 times, or have had 3 separate 2 for 1 splits which compound into
what is effectively an 8:1 split.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: There is money in Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:53:00 -0500

Tim Hanson wrote:
> 
> Klaus-Georg Adams wrote:
> >
> > "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > That would be quite a trick, since they didn't IPO until 1994, and
> > > they were founded in 1975.
> > >
> > > Additionally, their stock price was over $100 on IPO, and has since
> > > split 8 times, giving them an adjusted price (relevant to their IPO
> > > price/shares) of over $800 if they had never had any splits.
> >
> > Assuming your figures $100 initially and 8 splits) are correct (which
> > I don't have a reason to doubt) I reach quite a different adjusted
> > price: 25600$.
> >
> > Note: 100 * 8 != 100 * (2^8)
> >
> > --
> > kga
> I thought I read somewhere that Gates' shares had a basis of (split
> adjusted) $5.46, but that could be an average figure, or it could be
> totally wrong.  Does anyone know the original IPO price?

His basis would PRECEDE the IPO price.

IPO merely means Initial PUBLIC offering.  Gates and Ballmer and others
have held shares since M$ was incorporated in the 1970's.


> --
> We must remember the First Amendment which protects any shrill jackass
> no matter how self-seeking.
>                 -- F. G. Withington


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: .Net to run on Linux
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2001 09:57:14 -0500

Tim Hanson wrote:
> 
> J Sloan wrote:
> >
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > > "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > Given microsoft's track record, one would have to be
> > > > quite gullible to expect solid support from microsoft for
> > > > a non microsoft platform. If .net were actually to become
> > > > popular, ms would use it as a weapon against non ms
> > > > operating systems, just as they use ms office now.
> > > >
> > > > They might well release some partial support for non
> > > > ms operating systems, but they will counsel users to
> > > >  "migrate to windows" for best results, and they will of
> > > > course also be poised to pull the rug out from under
> > > > your platform of choice the moment it will benefit them
> > > > to do so.
> >
> > > What does the word open standard says to you?
> >
> > > You don't like MS implentation
> > > on Linux, *make your own*.
> >
> > The whole point is, do we even want to start down that road,
> > i.e. following ms and letting them call the shots? Better to
> > ignore .net and let nature take it's course, rather than lending
> > the energy and momentum of the Linux to the microsoft cause.
> 
> There's no choice to this.  Microsoft's strategy is as it has always
> been, a strategy of monopoly maintenence.  That is what they do; that is
> what they've always done.  They will use areas where they have a
> monopoly, which is now the desktop client, internet client, and office
> productivity, to gain a monopoly at the server.
> 
> Windows XP and Office XP are about that.  The "loads of cool new
> features" consist for the most part of  cosmetic changes and cursory
> acknowledgement to consumer howling about stability, plus a host of
> mechanisms to hamstring the hardware manufacturers, make people pay more
> money and to do it more often, and most importantly to get them
> accustomed to using the .net services.  As much as Windows 98 was a tool
> to force Internet Explorer on people, so is XP a tool to force .net down
> our throats.
> 
> ISPs will be force fed .net.  New agreements and joint marketing
> ventures will require a minimum .net content, like they were forced to
> use, for example, a minimum number of IE exclusive features during the
> browser wars.  In time ISPs controlled by Microsoft will begin accepting
> logins only from .net enabled users, or forced to go through an
> extensive work around, ala Kerberos.
> 
> This is what is in store.  Microsoft wouldn't have put it out there if
> they didn't have a plan and the means to make people use it, and to make
> ISPs and content providers (and the servers they use) support it.  Once
> they have the client wrapped up they can begin to dump Unix on their own
> schedule.

All of this can be stopped if the Magalomaniac in Charge is put down
with a well-directed 155 grain piece of lead in a copper jacket.


> 
> > Yes, the Linux community will no doubt create something that
> > will talk to .net, but to make it anything more than just another
> > peripheral capability would be a grave mistake. It will never
> > be the main focus.
> >
> > jjs
> 
> --
> Banectomy, n.:
>         The removal of bruises on a banana.
>                 -- Rich Hall, "Sniglets"


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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