Linux-Advocacy Digest #818, Volume #25 Sun, 26 Mar 00 12:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux (Daniel O'Nolan)
Re: NT vs Linux vs Whatever.... ("Robert Moir")
Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?) ("ax")
Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (Jeff Glatt)
Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again) (Jeff Glatt)
Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?) ("Chad Myers")
Re: Bsd and Linux (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (Len Philpot)
Re: VMWare vs. Bootmanagers (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: Daniel O'Nolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Top 10 reasons why Linux sux
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 09:18:54 +0200
Jim Ross wrote:
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 10 Mar 2000 04:06:46 GMT,
> > The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> > >I'll admit, the browser situation on Linux is somewhat less than
> > >satisfactory
> >
> >
> > No it isn't. Lynx is a perfectly satsifying browser. Many of us
> > couldn't give two shits if Navigator, IE, Mozilla, Mnemonic, HotJava,
> > etc, vanished tomorrow.
>
> Most people don't consider a web browser that doesn't support images and
> tables, etc.
> That really isn't that useful to most people.
> I don't feel you speak for most users.
>
> >
> >
> > (snip)
> >
> >
> > --
> > GUIs make you stupid.
>
> GUIs are an excellent way of steamlining a decision.
> There are in fact just one more interface, not at all a threat of any kind
> to other interfaces.
>
> Jim
AFAIK, Star Office's web browser supports almost as much stuff as
netscape, including Java if you have it installed.
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From: "Robert Moir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT vs Linux vs Whatever....
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:22:25 +0100
"Robert Heininger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >: It seems lik a bit of a waste of time.
>
> D'OH! Then why do you bother doing it? Is someone (ie. Bill Gates)
holding
> a weapon to your head or something? ;-)
Isn't it amazing the amount of people who read advocacy groups just to post
about what a waste of time it all is. I personally have seen some
interesting nuggets in here and COLA, though; there might be a high signal
to noise ratio at times but there is the odd seam of valuable knowledge
worth mining too.
> >: Linux has some challenges it has to overcome, as do NT and other MS
> >: products.
>
> I feel that Linux is all about freedom of choice because I can do with it
> *anything* that my limited unix skills to date are capable of doing, which
is
> impossible to do with the proprietary, dictatorship driven OS's that I've
been
> using for years.
>
> * Hello New Millennium ::: Sayonara Microsoft! * :-)
*g* well i could claim (and do) that I can do whatever I like with
NT/windows 2000. Isn't choice wonderful, we both got what we wanted?
[...]
> >: If it's as antiquated and outdated as you claim, then you have
> >: nothing to worry about and can laugh off the Linux community as a bunch
> >: of oddballs.
>
> All I can say here is that I've never been accused of being "normal". To
put
> it another way:
>
> You can Lead :: You can follow :: or You can get the `F' out of my way!
>
> Does that make me an odd-ball? I hope so. I prefer to be unique and not
follow
> in anyones footsteps / have them do my thinking for me.
Well some might argue (and I'm not suggesting you are guilty of this) that
some Linux advocates are hopping on a bandwagon merely trying to be trendy.
Of course, you can also argue that some Windows users are just sheep who
don't know better. I suspect there is some people on both sides who you can
say this is true about however. But if you do what you want, who cares about
other people right?
I personally prefer Windows 2000/ NT 4.0 to *nix. I've spent quite a
reasonable chunk of my 10 years in computing supporting various unix
dialects and never really got "into" *nix. I don't like it. However, I don't
think that "unix = bad for me" is "unix = just plain bad" and there are some
cases where *nix based solutions are better than NT based solutions; and the
reverse is true too sometimes.
> >: At least Linux gives users a choice, rather than being forced into
doing
> >: things however MS decided to do them.
>
> See above. IMHO: "Freedom" is what Linux and the OSS movement is all
about.
Well unless you can cook your own code then you are being forced into doing
things however debian or red hat or corel or whoever decided to do them,
surely?
> Well, I finally posted here. I better go hose down the fire suite to get
it
> ready for the aftermath from the _Win_Trolls_. ;-)
I can do the Win for you, but I try not to Troll.... You are halfway there!
Rob Moir
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From: "ax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 14:42:26 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ereD4.411$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "ax" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > But in Linux, all penguins are lazy sitting with round belly.
> > They cannot walk or fly. They cannot even stand up
> > with fat belly. Linux penguins must have been eating
> > too much "free" stuff.
> >
> > Totally amazing to see sitting penguins everywhere!
> >
> > Can Linxu penguins fly someday?
> >
> > It must be scary if those sitting penguins all suddenly
> > stand up and walk. They'd better be sitting!
>
> Nothing could be further from the truth. Linux is moving so fast,
> in so many different areas (desktop, servers, embedded devices),
> that it is taking the s/w indusrty by storm. Those not myopic
> from the M$ affect on this industry are adopting Linux in their
> droves. In the sea of s/w the Linux penguin is supreme. :-)
Linux penguins are cloned UFO with programmed mission
of destroying the "Software Industry" on our planet. For the
protection of our mankind, should we re-program them or
take them to the zoo?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Glatt)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:29:27 GMT
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Jeff Glatt writes:
>
>>>>> George Marengo writes:
>
>>>>>>> What I think is irrelevant; the facts are relevant. Do you have any?
>
>>>>>> What you think is irrelevant?
>
>>>>> Because the facts are relevant.
>
>>>> And what he thinks is always contrary to the facts,
>>> Liar.
>> Incorrect.
>Yet another example of your pontification.
Yet another example of your lies.
>>>Witness the article to which I referred George.
>>Irrelevant. The article doesn't indicate what you "think".
>Hence one cannot conclude that what I think is contrary to those
>facts.
Nonsense. Your failure to get your facts right has no bearing upon the
contents of that article.
>>>> which is why what he thinks is therefore irrelevant.
>>> Incorrect.
>> Liar.
>Yet another example of your pontification.
Yet another example of your lies.
>>> I already explained why what I think is irrelevant.
>> It is irrelevant what you think is the explanation for why you think
>> that what you think is irrelevant.
>On what basis do you make that ridiculous claim, Glatt?
On the basis that it is irrelevant what you think.
>>>Having more reading comprehension problems, Glatt?
>>Telling more lies,
>I see that you didn't answer my question.
I see that you didn't deny my assertion that you're telling more lies.
That's not surprising being that you are indeed telling more lies.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Glatt)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Giving up on NT (Bob shows his lack of knowledge yet again)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:30:28 GMT
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Jeff Glatt writes:
>> He is here for the express purpose of attempting to harass people
>> whose opinions he doesn't happen to like.
>Yet another lie.
Yet another pontification.
>> It is precisely this which got him in trouble with the University
>> of Hawaii for abusing their facilities
>What alleged trouble, Glatt? What alleged abuse, Glatt?
The abuse that caused the university to reprimand you not to post your
nonsense to COOA from the university's facilities, which is why you
now have to use RoadRunner.
>Yet another example of your pontification.
Yet another example of your lies.
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Penquins Forever! Was (Re: A pox on the penguin?)
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 15:27:16 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <ereD4.411$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Nothing could be further from the truth. Linux is moving so fast,
> in so many different areas (desktop, servers, embedded devices),
> that it is taking the s/w indusrty by storm. Those not myopic
> from the M$ affect on this industry are adopting Linux in their
> droves. In the sea of s/w the Linux penguin is supreme. :-)
Is that how you rationalize it to yourself?
You know, just because it's being ported to multiple platforms does
not make it "good".
It's taking the **UNIX*** s/w indusrty [sic] by storm, but not
many others. Sales of Windows are higher than ever.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Bsd and Linux
Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:12:20 GMT
On 26 Mar 2000 04:44:07 GMT, Chris Lee wrote:
>In article <8bgnni$sb3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>> 1) you don't have to know the root password, only yours
>
>Dumb reason. If I want to operate as the root user, I should *know* the root
>password.
THis is only true if you have only one systems administrator.
If there's only one admin, I really don't see anything wrong with them
opening up a root shell at the console the whole time.
But what if you
have more than one person who needs to do sys admin tasks ? Do you give
10 different people the root password, or have them all use sudo ?
> Besides how am I encouraged to stay as root?
It doesn't automatically exit from root after completion of command unless
you use 'su -c'
>> 2) you don't have to retype your blinking password every time
>> (it's good for 5 mins of repeat uses, at least)
>
>I think retyping the blinking password is a good idea, since it reminds you
>that you are operating as root, so you had better be fucking careful about
>what you are doing.
I think typing "sudo" also should remind the user that they are operating
as root.
>> 3) every command is logged, so you can check up
This is a very good reason, because you know exactly what is being done
as root.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Len Philpot)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:13:44 GMT
>>Almost sounds like he is on the M$ payroll or their band wagon one.
>>After win95 who needs M$?
And the scary part is that Win98 is even worse...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: VMWare vs. Bootmanagers
Date: 26 Mar 2000 16:14:27 GMT
On Sat, 25 Mar 2000 18:08:16 -0800, gcaldwel wrote:
>
>My reasoning behind partition magic was that I would need to resize the
>partition to make room for the new one to install Linux on. At this point
(*) What's wrong with just deleting the partition and re-installing ?
I don't see why so many users have hangups about this.
(*) You can resize Win95 and Win98 partitions using a free tool called
FIPS that comes on any Linux CD. Make sure you defrag before you
run FIPS.
--
Donovan
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