Linux-Advocacy Digest #867, Volume #32 Sun, 18 Mar 01 14:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: GPL not being free doesn't mean that the license is invalid. ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (Jim Richardson)
Re: What is user friendly? (Anonymous)
Re: the truth about linux ("Mike")
Re: What is user friendly? (Anonymous)
Re: Memory needed to run linux / X windows ??? (Ian Pulsford)
Re: What is user friendly? (Anonymous)
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Humbled ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GPL not being free doesn't mean that the license is invalid.
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:51:51 +0100
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
In article <maYs6.394$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Unforutnately, there have been numerous attempts to 'beat me down.' I
> don't know the best response to nonsense claims, especially when a new
> person comes in and re-asserts disproven statements.
>
> This thing will die down, but until it does, if this irritates you I
> STRONGLY suggest putting me and/or these threads into a filter. I have
> already filtered a few people, and it can be quite useful.
>
> The best solution to the problem is for the misrepresentations about the
> GPL to cease, and the docs online to be corrected.
>
> Your claim about the GPL being around or not has merit, but doesn't
> really have ANYTHING to do with these discussions... The mistake that
> YOU have made is you again make the assumption that I am anti-GPL...
> The fact is that I am ANTI-LIE.
>
> If you criticize, please criticize me based upon my position, but don't
> criticize me for a position that I don't take :-).
>
> John
>
>
Ok John,
What is your constant harping on the non-freedom of the GPL, crossposted
to a linux group no less (where you can expect people to be pro-GPL),
anything else but an attempt on your side to beat down our opinion?
Think on this before you start criticizing other people, otherwise your
argument is lacking internal consistency.
Mart
--
Write in C, write in C,
Write in C, yeah, write in C.
Only wimps use BASIC, Write in C.
http://www.orca.bc.ca/spamalbum/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 00:35:05 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 07:20:47 GMT,
Pete Goodwin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>Jim Richardson wrote:
>
>>>And lo it came to pass that I left running a Windows machine with Personal
>>>Web server on it and it has been running now for several months without
>>>rebooting or crashing.
>>
>> wanna give out the ip addr?
>
>It's behind a firewall - you can't get to it.
given the nature of most firewalls, that may be a poor assumption :)
>
>>>It's still way ahead.
>>
>> for you maybem more power to you, for me? windows is a PITA that isn't
>> worth the hassle when I can easily get better performance and reliability
>> from linux, and when I consider the apps that *I* use, linux is way ahead.
>
>That's great but that's _your_ perspective. Unfortunately, what you want,
>and what the majority wants isn't in sync.
Free clue, I use linux for what it does for _me_, not some mythical majority.
I encourage anyone to try linux and see if they like it, and if they don't, to
try something else. I could give a pigeon's left eyeball what the "majority"
wants. Nor will I pay any attention to their wants when satisfying my computer
needs. I don't use an OS based on it's popularity.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:16:57 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anonymous quoth:
>
> > no, personal experience.
>
> I think you meant "no personal experience."
are you claiming i have no personal experience using windows and
attempting to use unix?
> > a generally impassable learning curve = user hostile.
>
> There is little to no learning curve with modern gui desktop
> environments on linux. KDE should be easier than a mac for the windows
> user who decides to upgrade to linux.
that's what a friend of mine told me a couple of years ago. then i axed
him what was up with the zip drive gathering dust on the desk. he said
he had given up trying to get it to work. apparently there were no linux
drivers at the time.
imagine that...
> > i was using windows to get work done ten minutes after installation.
> > u can't touch this
>
> Anyone can. The difference is that 10 minutes after getting their
> installation done, the windows user still has hours ahead of him
> installing the hundreds of other programs he needs whereas the linux
> user already got them with their distribution.
it took another ten minutes or so to install office.
and of course internet explorer comes built in.
in the next week or so i probably installed six or seven more apps which
i use to get 95% of my work done.
you were sayink?
> >> Unix has had fully functional GUI's since the mid 1980's.
> >
> > xwindows?
> > nerdo please...
>
> A couple of days ago I upgraded from kde 2.0 to 2.1. I installed some
> rpm's using the graphical package manager front end. Every library
> that came with the kde system plus a ton of applications were upgraded.
> Once I completed the installation, I ended the x session and then
> typed startx. No reboot necessary. Bam! totally upgraded desktop
> environment. You can't just upgrade your desktop on windows like that
> without a complete recompile of the kernel. had i not liked the
> upgrade, i could've simply switched back to no. No hassles whatsoever
> involved.
why would i want to muck around with a standard interface that works
just fine?
if it ain't broke don't fix it.
> X windows is simply one part of the superior paradigm that is unix.
did your relays click while you were writing that?
> >> Not only that, but Unix is very very very consistant; in contrast,
> >> DOS and Windows both have lots of arbitrary rules with even more
> >> exceptions.
> >
> > why, if that is the case, are they so much easier to use?
>
> Simple. They aren't. If you think they are, it's because you haven't
> tried linux lately.
you might be able to fool someone who hasn't tried to use it lately.
but i have.
so you can't.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: the truth about linux
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 18:17:49 GMT
"Brett Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, a reply taking into account the obnoxiousness of the original
> author...
>
> >>>>> "Public" == Public <Anonymous Account> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Who needs who? Both Sun and IBM can run Internet routers; we do not
> > need Linux for that. And all the applications we want are coming
> > from non-open source people. So what do need the open source people
> > for? What will they give us that we do not already have? Does the
> > world really need Linux? Do we need the open source people? Should
> > we support or encourage them? The sad fact is that the world does
> > not need the open source people, nor their lousy applications.
>
> OK, so StarOffice is not Open Source (last time I checked). But
> XFree86 is. Apache, WUFTPD, KDE, Gnome, TWM. Try sitting down at a
> Unix machine and using some software which ISN'T Open Source. Go on!
Oh good! I hope there's a big prize in this for me!
Lessee, I use a Sun, running Solaris (not the open source version). I use
CAD tools from Cadence and Synopsys (far from open source), and other
vendors (again, not even close to open source). I use the Sun compiler (not
open source). I use FrameMaker (not open source). I use lots of other
applications that were developed in-house (none of them are open source).
In short, with the exception of Perl (which we don't use much, don't use for
any mission-critical software, and which I normally run on my PC anyway), I
can't think of any open-source applications on my Sun.
Mail my prize to the Gnome folks. Or even better: use it to buy Aaron and
Charlie each a copy of Dale Carnegie's "How to Win Friends and Influence
People."
-- Mike --
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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:20:15 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Michael Wieserner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >no, personal experience.
> >a generally impassable learning curve = user hostile.
> >i was using windows to get work done ten minutes after installation.
> >u can't touch this
>
> Liar!
how wude!
but i'll grant that in terms of real work it did take another ten minutes
or so to get office installed.
of course i bought the fastest machine i could so that probably has
an impact on the install speed. ymmv
> The last Linux distribution i installed was RedHat 7.0. I installed
> it in 45 minutes and after that i had only few things to configure and 15
> minutes took me for a kernel recompile and configuration.
how many hours of study did it take you to get to the point where you
understood this stuff well enough to manage that?
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Memory needed to run linux / X windows ???
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 04:30:53 +1000
jtnews wrote:
>
> I was running redhat 6.2 on a Pentium 90 Mhz
> machine with 32MB for a while.
>
> It was bearable just using linux as a dumb
> X terminal, but beyond that it's intolerably
> slow.
>
> I finally retired my old 90Mhz machine
> and replaced it with a Dell L700cx
> with 192MB of RAM, whew! What a difference!
> :-)
>
I think you have your terms confused, a Pentium 90 with 32M RAM would
scream as an X-terminal. I have a diskless AMD5x86(486) X-terminal with
24M RAM that runs like I'm sitting at the PII 300 that the X clients are
actually running on.
Drag out your old machine, install a minimal system with X, run XDM on
your new PC, and then run 'X -query newmachinesname' and find out how
wrong you are about X.
IanP
--
"Dear someone you've never heard of,
how is so-and-so. Blah blah.
Yours truly, some bozo." - Homer Simpson
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Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 11:31:34 -0700
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Anonymous wrote:
> >> > unix: user hostile
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> Microsoft propaganda.
> >
>
> It's absolutely true that Microsoft is spreading propaganda
> about Linux being user unfreindly and incapable of doing
> business functions.
i don't know about being incapable of business functions, but if you
think linux is user friendly you have absolutely no understanding of
users.
> It's also equally clear that Linux is running 50% of the WWW
> as well as being the core engine on every BW Supercomputer cluster
> in the world. Every new record being broken these days is being
> established with a Linux super cluster.
and this is relevant to someone not involved in running the www or
supercomputer clusters... how exactly?
> >no, personal experience.
> >a generally impassable learning curve = user hostile.
> >i was using windows to get work done ten minutes after installation.
> >u can't touch this
> >
>
> Linux not only IS doing it, it's actually beating Windows
> on the desktop.
what percentage of desktop machines are running linux?
what percentage of desktop machines are running windows?
if the former is smaller than the latter you may have to... revise and
clarify... your remarks.
> W2k professional or ME appears like a pancake
> peice of low performance shit when you compare it to a modern
> Gnome or KDE2.
'i like x better than y therefore y sucks'
brilliant. absolutely brilliant.
> And installation is just a brainless. Suse, Mandrake and Redhat
> all have clueless boob installations for the Windows user.
got sneer?
> >xwindows?
> >nerdo please...
> >
>
> Xwindows has had such a powerful affect on Microsoft they
> are trying to emulate it with their BRAND NEW XBOX product.
so what yer sayin is microsoft will bring me whatever is most marketable
in this linux thing eventually so i may as well just stick with what i
know.
ok. fine. that's what i was planning on doing anyway.
> Now what the fuck are you going to say?
you seem upset.
why is that?
> >> Not only that, but Unix is very very very consistant; in contrast, DOS and Windows
> >> both have lots of arbitrary rules with even more exceptions.
> >
> >why, if that is the case, are they so much easier to use?
> > jackie 'anakin' tokeman
> >
> >men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> >more even than death
> >- bertrand russell
> >
>
> They aren't Jones. This is a figment of your imagination.
my knowledge of the windows interface allows me to walk up to any windows
machine with office installed and get useful work done. learning the
basics of the windows interface was trivial. i am trying to remember if
i've ever had to use the command line for anything and i'm drawing a
blank.
tell me, is it possible to set up and run your own linux machine and
never once have to deal with the command line?
> I predict in another 5 years, Microsoft will finally come up to
> the standards of today's Gnome or KDE2. It's going to take them
> that damn long now that they are copying us.
name one feature that those desktops have that will make things better
for the end user.
> This is an undeniable fact now that they've posted this was their
> intention on THEIR web site.
>
> If THEY AGREE they are copying Gnome and KDE2 functionality, then
> surely you agree.
so?
> Why don't you run a real operating system and run Linux.
because windows does everything i need it to do.
jackie 'anakin' tokeman
men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
more even than death
- bertrand russell
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:35:41 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Well, they are claiming ther are backdoors without any real evidence.
That
> > means they're believing what they hear, rather than what they know to be
> > fact.
>
> How can one be sure with closed source software? One has to depend on
various
> news reports, because one can not inspect the source.
You've never heard of a disassembler? It's not uncommon for people to
disassemble huge parts of OS's to prove such things. The license agreement
isn't valid if it's used to cover up illegal behavior, so the no-disassembly
clause would not be an issue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Humbled
Date: 19 Mar 2001 01:29:37 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>It is all smoke and mirrors. Truth be told, we are all jr high school
>students, smoking pot in a basement.
That's pot? You shoulda told me! I would have visited the basement more
often :)
Bernie
--
Friends applaud, the Comedy is over
Ludwig von Beethoven
German composer, 1770-1827
Last words, 26 March 1827
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 19 Mar 2001 01:47:30 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dave Martel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I'm sure they _have_ examined the source already. SuSE Linux is a
>German distro and very popular throughout Europe. Europeans have long
>suspected that Windows contains NSA backdoors. I wouldn't be at all
>surprised if the German and possibly other European goverments had a
>strong hand in SuSE Linux from the beginning, with the every intention
>of dumping Windows as soon as they had a workable replacement and the
>necessary applications to go with it.
It might be worth mentioning, too, that there has recently been a bit of
an uproar over the EU's data security/encryption office's handling of things.
One of the head honchos gave a speech in which he proudly explained that
the encryption used by the EU was very good, as his office provided complete
details of everything to the NSA and they said so....
Needless to say, that argument earned a lot of disbelieving laughter, and
(once it became clear that he was deadly serious) some rather critical
comments about the very purpose of encrypting communications being to *not*
let the rest of the world read them.
I suspect that prompted a general rethinking of IT security policies, with
a certain emphasis on not only keeping stuff secret from the Evil Russians
and the Troublesome Tyrant in Iraq, but also from foreign agencies that
supposedly would only exploit information gathered for commercial benefit;
Namely the NSA.
Personally, I think in a time when a simple mail worm titled ILOVEYOU can
shut down a significant percentage of the world's computer systems, and when
even MS themselves do not have sufficient security to keep crackers off
their machines, there are more immediate things to fear than merely industrial
espionage by intelligence agencies.
Bernie
--
Peace is much more precious than a piece of land
Anwar al-Sadat
Egyptian President 1970-81
In a speech in Cairo, 8 March 1978
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 19 Mar 2001 01:59:23 +1100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Well, they are claiming ther are backdoors without any real evidence. That
>means they're believing what they hear, rather than what they know to be
>fact.
No. They are claiming there *may* be backdoors, and that this *possibility*
is a risk not worth taking in certain situations.
Simple question --- when you leave your house, do you lock the door? If so,
why do you do it? Do you have any evidence that between the time you leave and
the time you come back, someone will come by and try to get in and steal
your stuff?
Bernie
--
The only thing we have to fear is fear itself
Franklin D. Roosevelt
US president 1933-45
Inaugural address, 4 March 1953
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:44:05 -0600
"Ralph Miguel Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:992p7j$85r$04$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > That makes someone a liar then, since the article states they won't use
> > *ANY* american software.
> >
> Linux is not american, german or british, it's international, open source
Thanks, but I know this and specifically stated so in my original message
when I said "Large parts of Linux are developed in America by Americans"
(Using the terminology used in the article).
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:45:37 -0500
Anonymous wrote:
>
> Salvador Peralta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Anonymous quoth:
> >
> > > no, personal experience.
> >
> > I think you meant "no personal experience."
>
> are you claiming i have no personal experience using windows and
> attempting to use unix?
your personal experience on a system that was running a version of
Unix that was state-of-the-art at the same time as DOS 2.0 was just
released is of ZERO relevance today.
>
> > > a generally impassable learning curve = user hostile.
> >
> > There is little to no learning curve with modern gui desktop
> > environments on linux. KDE should be easier than a mac for the windows
> > user who decides to upgrade to linux.
>
> that's what a friend of mine told me a couple of years ago. then i axed
> him what was up with the zip drive gathering dust on the desk. he said
> he had given up trying to get it to work. apparently there were no linux
> drivers at the time.
^^^^^^^^^^^
> imagine that...
Manufacturers are MUCH more cooperative now than they were in 1994.
Get with the times, Jackie.
>
> > > i was using windows to get work done ten minutes after installation.
> > > u can't touch this
> >
> > Anyone can. The difference is that 10 minutes after getting their
> > installation done, the windows user still has hours ahead of him
> > installing the hundreds of other programs he needs whereas the linux
> > user already got them with their distribution.
>
> it took another ten minutes or so to install office.
Get SuSE 7.1, and you can install the OS AND about 1,500 APPS (including
THREE different office suites) in less time than it takes to install
windows.
Hope that helps.
Oh...and you will NEVER have to re-install, because, Unlike LoseDOS,
Linux doesn't corrupt its own configuration.
> and of course internet explorer comes built in.
Intelligent people recognize that as a BAD thing.
> in the next week or so i probably installed six or seven more apps which
> i use to get 95% of my work done.
All of which have functional equivalents in Linux...functional equivalents
that perform BETTER than the Mafiasoft counterparts.
> you were sayink?
You're admitting that Steve Chaney is smarter than you.
>
> > >> Unix has had fully functional GUI's since the mid 1980's.
> > >
> > > xwindows?
> > > nerdo please...
> >
> > A couple of days ago I upgraded from kde 2.0 to 2.1. I installed some
> > rpm's using the graphical package manager front end. Every library
> > that came with the kde system plus a ton of applications were upgraded.
> > Once I completed the installation, I ended the x session and then
> > typed startx. No reboot necessary. Bam! totally upgraded desktop
> > environment. You can't just upgrade your desktop on windows like that
> > without a complete recompile of the kernel. had i not liked the
> > upgrade, i could've simply switched back to no. No hassles whatsoever
> > involved.
>
> why would i want to muck around with a standard interface that works
> just fine?
Because, truth be told, it DOESN'T work just fine.
Ever notice how every time a websight has a 50+ page document,
it is NEVER available in MS-WORD format?
Do you know why?
> if it ain't broke don't fix it.
In Microsoft's case, even if it IS broke, they refuse to admit it,
let alone fix it.
>
> > X windows is simply one part of the superior paradigm that is unix.
>
> did your relays click while you were writing that?
>
Quit dodging, Jackie.
Your opinions about Unix and Linux are based upon obsolete data.
> > >> Not only that, but Unix is very very very consistant; in contrast,
> > >> DOS and Windows both have lots of arbitrary rules with even more
> > >> exceptions.
> > >
> > > why, if that is the case, are they so much easier to use?
> >
> > Simple. They aren't. If you think they are, it's because you haven't
> > tried linux lately.
>
> you might be able to fool someone who hasn't tried to use it lately.
> but i have.
Oh, really.
What distribution was it?
> so you can't.
Don't be silly, Jackie. Unless you're trying to tell us that you are
flumoxed by GUI's which behave consistantly, but at the same time, can
get extreme productivity out of a system that has a million "special
exceptions", and likes to crash (the entire system)...with all your
work going down the tubes....on a regular basis.
> jackie 'anakin' tokeman
>
> men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth - more than ruin,
> more even than death
> - bertrand russell
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 12:47:15 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:992igb$c30$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >Well, they are claiming ther are backdoors without any real evidence.
That
> >means they're believing what they hear, rather than what they know to be
> >fact.
>
> No. They are claiming there *may* be backdoors, and that this
*possibility*
> is a risk not worth taking in certain situations.
And your own programmes might be putting back doors in themselves. Unless
you do everything yourself, or have checked everything yourself thoroughly,
there *may* be backdoors in almost anything, open source or not.
> Simple question --- when you leave your house, do you lock the door? If
so,
> why do you do it? Do you have any evidence that between the time you leave
and
> the time you come back, someone will come by and try to get in and steal
> your stuff?
The difference is that I lock my door with commercial grade locks. I don't
use a custom designed vault door.
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