Linux-Advocacy Digest #867, Volume #33 Tue, 24 Apr 01 05:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Women's rights and responsibilities. ("jet")
What to do with all those useless CDs. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Windows 2000 is Cool ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (GreyCloud)
Re: Intel versus Sparc ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Gunner ©)
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (GreyCloud)
Re: Windows 2000 Rocks! ("Edward Rosten")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Edward Rosten")
Re: bank switches from using NT 4 ("Tom Wilson")
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From: "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men
Subject: Re: Women's rights and responsibilities.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:55:23 -0700
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Stephen Morgan wrote:
> >
> > In soc.men, Brent R wrote:
> > > Stephen Morgan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In soc.men, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, 21 Apr 2001 01:01:19 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > > > > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:17:32 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > Never been in Saudi Arabia, have you, so please keep your
ignorant
> > > > > > >> > stereotypes to yourself.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I'm not invoking "ignorant stereotypes", I am quoting what I
believe is
> > > > > > >> a fairly good source.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well, considering that I ***LIVED*** In Saudi Arabia for a
year, I say
> > > > > > > that your source is full of shit.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You've found very little in the way of flaws in my source.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't need to "find" the flaws...they are self-evident from my
own
> > > > > PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF LIVING IN SAUDI ARABIA FOR A YEAR
> > > > >
> > > > > > All
you've done
> > > > > > is dispute the assertions I've made about clothing. Note that
the document
> > > > > > I cited acknowledges that westerners are not as restricted in
terms of
> > > > > > clothing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But many of the points still stand. Are women allowed to drive,
or leave
> > > > > > the house without a male relative ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What about it?
> > > > >
> > > > > They get many privileges, and many restrictions
> > > > >
> > > > > In contrast, in the United States, we have stripped all of men's
> > > > > privileges, and all of womens' restrictions, giving us a society
> > > > > where men have all the responsibilities and restrictions, and
women
> > > > > have all of the privileges.
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words...FEUDALISM.
> > > >
> > > > You obviously have very little idea of how the feudal system worked.
> > > > --
> > > > Working Class
> > > > The proletariat so beloved of Marx and Engels are still alive and
well and
> > > > living in vast areas of terraced housing in the major industrial
cities. Alf
> > > > Garnett was their hero and he was adopted by US TV and renamed
Archie Bunker.
> > > > They dislike foreigners, toffs and anything new. They watch the
telly, go
> > > > down the pub, watch the match on Saturday and go to spain to get
drunk. They
> > > > fight our wars and fight at football matches. Not a pretty sight.
> > >
> > > Oh yeah I remember Alf! From Melmac right? Remember that time he tried
> > > to kill that cockroach but the spray just kept making it bigger and
> > > bigger! Haha... Gawd the hilarity that insued!
> >
> > I must admit, I really have no idea who Alf Garnett is.
> >
>
> He was referring to an American TV show called A.L.F.
>
> The title character was an aardvark-like hand-puppet (usually
> sitting on the couch in the basement, visable ONLY to the
> father of the house) from another planet (ALF="Alien Life Form").
> ALF wasn't just a space alien, he was an obnoxious, beer-drinking
> space alien.
Kind of like you.
>
> And incredibly funny.
Wow, are you ever easily amused.
J
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What to do with all those useless CDs.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:46:03 +0100
Hello, now you've installed Linux and are happy with it, you may well now
have loads of useless CDs lying around that you no longer need. They make
reasonable coasters, but there are better uses.
Put a large pyrex bowl in an oven and heat to gas mark 5.
When it is all hot, open the oven and put a CD, shiny side down in the
centre of the bowl.
Leave for about 10-15 minutes.
The main body of the CD should have dropped by about 1/3" with the very
centre dropping by about 1/2"
Remove and allow to cool. When it has cooled enough for the CD to be
rigid, remove it.
Now you can play Ultimate Frisbee with all those old 'doze CDs. And who
said there were no games for Linux?
Points to note:
You need a wierd throwing action with a lot of wrist flick to give it a
lot of spin for the forward motion. They fly really well like this
Don't put the CD betwen 2 bowls. they just don't fly that well after.
Don't try to catch one at 52X :-)
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 is Cool
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:46:47 +0100
>
> +------------------------+
> | PLEASE |
> | |
> | Do not feed the troll. |
> | Thank you. |
> | |
> | The Management |
> +----------+ +----------+
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> * () ( * )(| @( )( * %@ )
> ( )( ))( || (|)| )( )((
> --------------------------
Is this sign GPL'd?
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:45:53 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Matthew Gardiner wrote:
> >
> > > >Do I need to drag the old Europe argument out into the open as a
> > > >demonstration of a region that is liberal and tolerant, yet has not got
> > > >the issues the US are trying to address, such as teenage pregnancy as
> > > >example.
> > > >
> > > >It has been 14 years since sexual orientation was put into the
> > > >anti-descrimination laws in New Zealand, and the whole of New Zealand
> > > >hasn't split in half, so please, where is the problem?
> > > >
> > > >Instead of some of these "high and mighty" moralists should get over
> > > >their insecurities. Why should they be concerned something that has
> > > >nothing to do with them.
> > > >
> > >
> > > There you go again. You have stated that it has nothing to do with
> > > me. It has everything to do with me when my constitutional rights
> > > to free speech and freedom of religion are being challenged. The
> > > homosexual lobby in the US is not some group that just wants to be
> > > left alone as you have falsely claimed. They have a political
> > > agenda that they want to bring to everyone in America. Including
> > > my children and they want to prevent me from saying anything in
> > > protest about it. What part of this do you not understand.
> > >
> > > >btw, if you are christian, it is also a sin to use a condom /
> > > >contraception and to have sex for pleasure, as by the bible, it should
> > > >only be used for pro-creation. So before you stand the moral high
> > > >ground, look at what YOU do in YOUR OWN LIFE before throwing mud at a
> > > >particular group.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Everyone of the statements you made in the previous paragraph is false.
> > > Having to lie in order to make your argument is a sign that your argument
> > > is extremely weak.
> > >
> > > I never stated what my religion is, precisely because I knew people would
> > > use it to change the argument and make ridiculous claims as you have
> > > done. You have no idea if I am christian, jewish, islam, mormon, etc. etc.
> >
> > How come there is this problem in the US, yet in NZ, we don't have the
> > same problems. Yes, in New Zealand there is the "Rainbow Organisation"
> > (setup my youth) which visits schools, and talks about who you can talk
> > to if you are curious about your sexual orientation, these include
> > counselors, teachers, parents, Youth Organisations.
>
> The power of suggestion creates "questions" where none previously existed.
>
> "Bi-curious" means "I hadn't ever even IMAGINED a homosexual act until
> some school official mentioned that some people are into this sort of
> behavior"
>
> >
> > Matthew Gardiner
> > --
> > Disclaimer:
> >
> > I am the resident BOFH (Bastard Operator From Hell)
> >
> > If you don't like it, you can go [# rm -rf /home/luser] yourself
> >
> > Running SuSE Linux 7.1
> >
> > The best of German engineering, now in software form
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
Kinda like goin' to church and learnin' a new sin.
--
V
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:46:46 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "Kelsey Bjarnason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9q%E6.1338$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [snips]
> > >
> > > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > Figured it couldn't be compiler bugs! After some
> > > > more dicking around with cleaning up some of
> > > > the myriad of warnings, I noticed that the
> > > > bad function was pushing an array of structures
> > > > onto the stack. Looking at the size of the array,
> > > > found it was 64 Mb!
> > > >
> > > > At that point, we realized that the Intel platform
> > > > was the cause of the trouble
> > >
> > > Really? The Intel platform, eh? Not, say, the programmer who created
> > this
> > > monstrosity in the first place without a shred of consideration for
the
> > > possible impact of doing it, no, not his fault, must be the platform.
> >
> > That was my thinking, too. Why on God's green earth would the programmer
not
> > anticipate such a thing and simply pass a pointer to the array?
>
>
> Just the overhead of passing a 64MB structure is unbelievable.
>
> what a fucking idiot.
>
> Must of been a recent departee from Mafia$oft.
I've seen a lot of engineers write code like that. The maxim about never
giving engineers a compiler and never giving programmers a soldering iron is
pretty accurate. <g>
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From: Gunner © <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:48:14 -0700
On Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:45:01 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Are the teachers unions pushing marxist agendas?
>> a) no
>> B) YES
>
>What a bag of bull shit. When I was at college, my economics teacher
>was a freemarketer, he wanted trade liberalisation, and like he, he
>believed in Rogernomics (grab the book, "Fortress to Freemarket: The
>Revolution" to understand the term). My history teacher wasn't into
>economics, however, we had a talk about communism and he replied,
>"History has already proven its (communism's) failure". University,
>another so-called "communist recruiting agency" (In the words of Aaron),
>none of my lectures are communist, one of them is a tree hugger, but
>besides that, most of them agree with the underlying phylosophy of the
>free market. So I don't understand where this commist threat is comming
>from.
>
>Matthew Gardiner
You are one of the lucky ones... I take it you didnt go to Berkley or
most of the other colleges which have 60's rejects on tenure.
Gunner
""The greatest evil is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried and minuted)
in clean, carpeted, warmed and well-lighted offices...like the
bureaucracy of a police state or a thoroughly nasty business concern."
C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 08:51:14 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9c1ni0$h1t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > No, you are completely wrong. You do NOT have DLL "hell" under W2K -
> > period. AND with XP there is now the ability to have multiple different
> > versions of a DLL in different directories that particular apps can call
> > and load simultaneously and NOT affect other versions. In this way MS
> > has leapfrogged Unix (again).
>
>
> Uh...
>
> $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>
Please don't tred upon his illusions, eh? They make for fun reading.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:00:18 +0100
> X is slow when you run it on a 33Mhz 486. It worked but was very slow.
It is slow but useable, unlike Windows.
take this example:
Use windows telnet to go to a UNIX host. Dump 1MB of text to the terminal
and then try to do anything else.
Try the same with Linux+X+xterm and see what happens.
-Ed
> Your perceptions must not be very tolerant.
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 01:59:20 -0700
Chronos Tachyon wrote:
>
> On Mon 23 Apr 2001 08:21, Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> [Snip]
> >> If not, then what purpose does it serve to tell 2nd-grade children about
> >> it, other than trolling for NAMBLA-fodder.
> >
> > Telling people about homosexuality will not make them homosexual. Telling
> > homosexual people about hetrosexuality will not make them hetrosexual.
> > Some people are, some aren't. Educating them from a young age will
> > prevent poblems such as intolerance and isolation later in life.
> >
> > Remember the old sayng: an ounce of prevention is worth more than a pound
> > of cure.
> >
> >
> > -Ed
>
> Y'know, it never ceases to amaze me the degree to which some people seem to
> believe that gay people are trying to recruit others. Do they think, given
> the choice, I would PREFER to be a part of one of the most widely disliked
> minorities in today's society, much less drag more people into it? Nature
> or nurture, whichever you may believe, I'm the way I am and it's not for
> lack of discouragement.
>
> --
> Chronos Tachyon
> Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
> Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
> [Reply instructions: My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]
Most gays don't go out of their way to recruit. My objection has to do
with NAMBLA.
Grown men wanting sex with 6 year olds on up. Hell, when I was six I
saw dogs screwing but I didn't know what it was about. The NAMBLA bunch
are out trying to make it legal.
Some of my best neighbors are gay and I have no problem with them and
treat them with respect.
--
V
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 Rocks!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:01:58 +0100
>> Which GUI app was that? Most Windows apps don't have regex capability.
>>
>
> There are more GUI's than only Windows. BBedit supports regexp (also
> over multiple files, so the Ford -> Chevy replace example, although I
> prefer Alfa Romeo, would be quite doable).
I thought this was a windows/linux debate.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:04:21 +0100
>> > No, you are completely wrong. You do NOT have DLL "hell" under W2K -
>> > period. AND with XP there is now the ability to have multiple
>> > different versions of a DLL in different directories that particular
>> > apps can call and load simultaneously and NOT affect other versions.
>> > In this way MS has leapfrogged Unix (again).
>>
>> Uh...
>>
>> $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
>>
>> -Ed
>>
>
> I think that one flew over his head.
It probably did. he seems to know very little of UNIX's capabilities.
He probably doesn't even realise that you can have different versions of
the same library coexisting happily in the same directory as well.
-Ed
--
You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.
u 9 8 e j r (at) e c s . o x . a c . u k
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: bank switches from using NT 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 09:05:20 GMT
"Matthew Gardiner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> True, true, however, comspiracy theorist Aaron will come up with a story
> about how the data will be used in a communist plot again America.
> Personally, I couldn't care two hoots whether Microsoft requires
> activation because,
I do, simply because of the nuscience factor. Also, when you consider that
it has taken them nearly 15 years to get Windows even remotely stable, their
adding an extra level of complexity concerns me a bit.
> 1. no one forces you to buy either Windows XP of
> Office XP, there are alternatives, such as Wordperfect Office 2002 and
> Lotus Smart Suite that do a pretty good job. 2. The only people who are
> worried are pirates and conspiracy theorists who have nothing better to
> do than come up with a grand story.
I guarantee that the "live in Mommy's basement" pirate crowd are drooling
over the prospect of cracking it and will do so very quickly. As for the
"grassy-knoll gang", USENET wouldn't exist without them <g>
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