Linux-Advocacy Digest #941, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 17:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Shades")
Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!> ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Craig Oshima")
Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it (Steve Chaney)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Mart van de Wege")
Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (mlw)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Craig Oshima")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Shades")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:43:06 -0500
Quantum Leaper wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Anonymous wrote:
> > >
> > > aaron wrote:
> > > > Quantum Leaper wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Shades wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You obviously haven't worked on any HP, Sun, or SGI machines
> with
> > > > > > > > version 1990 or later versions of Unix.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The learning curve for these systems is SHALLOWER than
> windows.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Well then I suppose Sun/HP and SGI are going to be winning the
> desktop
> > > > > > > anyday? Hmm?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the same way that the gasoline engine ripped the guts out of
> > > > > > steam-powered automobile manufacturers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > The reason is gasoline engines are alot better than a steam power
> auto.
> > > >
> > > > And likewise, Linux is a FAR better desktop OS than anything sold
> > > > by Microsoft
> > >
> > > yet as far as the vast majority of desktop users are concerned they
> can't
> > > give it away.
> >
> > Because Microsoft had shills writing for YEARS about the supposed
> > "problem" of the Unix command line being more difficult than the
> > DOS command line. [In reality, the Unix command line is easier because
> > it is more consistant....example: all wildcard characters are handled
> > the same way....not only that, but you can do specificiations like
> > *sept* to specify all files with the string "sept" anywhere within
> > the name. DOS's pattern matching never did get sophisticated enough
> > to handle even this still relatively SIMPLE method of wildcard matching.
> >
> Amazing I just tried your list test, not *sept* but with 'dir *in*' in the
> Window directory, and had a long list of files. Which if I read your
> complant correctly, Windows should NOT have done correctly. Sorry can't
> test it with Dos6.22, since I don't have access to it.
So, what's you're saying, is that it only took them 18 years to fix it.
Fascinating.
>
> > Since few people at that time had any experience with Unix, the
> > LIES stuck.
> >
> Unix people seem to the same about Windows, see example above....
>
> > And then there are people like you, who go on with your silly comparisons
> > between the learning curve between late 1990's windows vs mid 1980's Unix.
>
> Learning curve all depends on the person's experence.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Shades" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:45:56 -0500
> Professionalism is about telling the truth....and when people try
> to counter the truth by dispensing lies, then the professional
> is duty-bound to make it clear, in absolutely no uncertain terms,
> EXACTLY what kind of low-life cretin the liar is.
>
> Is any of this getting through your thick, shit-filled head?
I did tell the truth. The 386 was better suited for multitasking than the
8086/88. I never said you could not do it, I just said before that time no
secretary would be able to use it well without a GUI and that at that time
the only vendors I can remember were Sun and HP workstations and they were
too expensive.
Also I do think it does take quite a bit of an effort to create a REAL OS.
But I didn't make that statement because I was "dispensing lies". Now
maybe you can whip one up at home just fine. I don't do that for a living
and thus maybe I was wrong, but not lying.
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: German armed forces ban MS software <gloat!>
Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:44:37 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy The Ghost In The Machine
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'd be interested if anyone has successfully downloaded, say, the
: Debian source packages and recompiled a Debian system from scratch.
: (RedHat also has this capability.)
: That would probably be a fairer comparison. :-)
Some distributions, including Rock Linux and Slackware, actively
encourage you to compile from source. I'm seriously thinking of
trying Rock Linux for that very reason. It's for people who want to
truly know and understand their systems.
Joe
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:45:39 -0500
WesTralia wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > "." wrote:
> > >
> > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > 8<SNIP>8
> > >
> > > > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> > > > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> > > > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> > > > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> > > > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> > > > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> > >
> > > Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person. Substitute
> > > "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> > > apart.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I have the university
> > education AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> > I'm talking about.
>
> You are wrong about YOUR university education. You never finished. You
> are a high school graduate, nothing more, nothing less.
Care to discuss the quantum dynamic behavior of charge carriers
in semiconductors (not only silicon, but other more esoteric materials
such as gallium arsenide) ???
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Reply-To: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:42:23 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shades wrote:
> > "Aaron Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<deletia>
> >
> > Well this is all true but creating a multitasking OS and having hardware
to
> > support it on was way too expensive for companies to put on someones
desktop
>
> You are truly and idiot.
>
> I wrote a multi-user, multi-tasking OS in FOUR WEEKS...BY MYSELF
> on a lowly mid 1970's Motorola 6809 system.
<deletia>
>
> You really are fucking clueless about how little effort it takes to
> create a multi-tasking operating system.
>
> I suggest you shut your pie-hole until you have taken the relevant
> systems programming course at a university.
So, because you're smart (extremely rude, but smart), and can write a
multi-user, multi-tasking OS all by yourself, your opinion is that the rest
of the world should also major in engineering? Unless they're "fucking
clueless"? "User friendly" does not mean "usable if you can write your OS."
--
Craig Oshima
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Chaney)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,soc.singles,alt.os.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.redhat,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: uh oh, redhat is gonna do it
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:47:38 GMT
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:35:09 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Steve Chaney wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:57:05 GMT, T. Max Devlin
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Said Steve Chaney in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 20 Mar 2001 08:14:31
>> >>I didn't know whether or not RedHat would try and boff the linux
>> >>community up the back door, but it looks like they will try after all.
>> >>
>> >>Is RedHat making like a dog taking off at high speed and forgetting it
>> >>is chained by the neck, or will it stop here? My bet is they are
>> >>taking the first leaps in a quest to turn their version of Linux into
>> >>a paid subscription product.
>> >
>> >An old and rather appropriate idea.
>> >
>> >>What am I talking about?
>> >>http://www.redhat.com/products/network/service_changes.html
>> >>(Credits: first seen on slashdot.org:
>> >>http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/19/156208&mode=thread)
>> >>
>> >>A few excerpts from the FAQ page:
>> >>"On February 26, 2001 Red Hat will be releasing Software Manager, our
>> >>new software update management tool. Software Manager will replace the
>> >>introductory Red Hat Network trial program, which will be ending that
>> >>day."
>> >>
>> >>"Software Manager is a subscription offering priced at $19.95 per
>> >>month for each system."
>> > [...]
>> >>Can we say manual updates? Well, at least for now, perhaps. But very
>> >>soon they are likely to try and find a way to do away with this as
>> >>well.
>> >
>> >You apparently lack the technical ability to understand why this is a
>> >stupid statement. Not only is it unlikely, its an incomprehensible
>> >idea.
>>
>> I call your bluff - why do you think it's a stupid idea?
>> RedHat can't go far with this because of the GPL their product is
>> licensed under.
>
>RedHat is merely charging for centralized, reliable CHANGE MANAGEMENT
>of software upgrades.
I hedged my bets on tis in my post. RedHat is free and clear to charge
for support. My question was, will they try and charge for access to
the software, period.
>This relieves customers of much of the cost of maintaining test
>machines and software migration testers....no time spent testing
>software versions that aren't yet ready for prime-time....thus
>lowering their in-house costs for such testing.
>
>For home users, who often can't afford to have a "test machine",
>this is a very cheap thing. Also, if I were a RedHat home user,
>I would just purchase the server for one month every 6 months.
With over 300 gigs of HD space I can afford to create a second linux
boot filesystem and launch it via LOADLIN.EXE. Boom! Test machine, 10
seconds flat.
In fact I did that when I ugpraded to Glibc 2.1.
Of course, most people can't do that, and this method is senseless for
a machine that requires close to 100% uptime.
In any case, charging for SUPPORT is not a bad thing. I was asking how
likely it is that they're trying to one day charge for the software
(OS) itself.
-- Steve
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:50:01 -0500
WesTralia wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > WesTralia wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "." wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> > > > > > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 8<SNIP>8
> > > > >
> > > > > > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> > > > > > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> > > > > > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> > > > > > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> > > > > > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> > > > > > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person.
>Substitute
> > > > > "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> > > > > apart.
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > I know what the fuck I'm talking about. I have the university
> > > > education AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> > > > I'm talking about.
> > >
> > > You are wrong about YOUR university education. You never finished. You
> >
> > Are you implying that 100 credit hours of Mathematics, Chemistry,
> > Physics, Electrical Engineering, Computer Science, and Computer
> > Systems Engineering course work is not an education?
> >
> > I completed the core curriculum with excellant grades.
> >
> > The only thing between me and a degree are some trivial elective
> > courses....which, because I'm classified as a senior, I *MUST*
> > take on campus (Purdue doesn't allow credit transfers for anybody
> > classified as a senior).
> >
> > Now...why would i give up a couple THOUSAND dollars/week in income
> > to go back to Indiana to sit around in a history lecture, in pursuit
>
> History class? I thought you stated you needed to finish some
> *electives*?
>
Yes. if I take a history class, it will be an elective.
There is no *specific* class which I am required to take at this
point. I have fulfilled ALL requirements for a degree *except*
for the number of credit hours. Every subject which I am required
to study for the degree, has been met or surpassed.
> > > are a high school graduate, nothing more, nothing less.
> >
> > Fine...I'm a high school graduate who is hired by Fortune 500
> > companies into some of the most demanding technical slots...and
> > leave because I get even MORE lucrative offers.
> >
>
> Demanding technical roles?
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U)
>
> Since when did Wintendo98 become demanding?
>
Look, Martha, we caught another one.
Clue for the clueless: I replace the real ID string with the Windows
one, so as to disguise what kind of platform I'm actually using.
> > Remember
> >
> > Diplomo != Education and Education != Diploma.
> >
> > I know many people who have a Diploma, but are still uneducated.
> > I also know many people who have an education, despite the lack of
> > a Diploma.
> >
> > None of which implies that a Diploma and an Education are mutually exclusive....
> > it depends on the school.
> >
>
> Yeah, yeah... tell it to your dentist.
Clue for the clueless: you do NOT need a degree to be a physician or
a dentist. All you have to do is pass the state medical boards.
If you can do that before completing yourdegree...MORE POWER TO YOU.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:45:35 +0100
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In article <3ab61681$0$44575$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johanson"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip some some stuff>
>
> At least they can hit something - unlike the rest of the world's
> military.
>
>
Hmm,
One example: the Dutch Royal Marine Corps. One of the toughest bunch of
bastards you've ever seen. Served with distinction in Cambodia, Beirut
and Bosnia (after our braindead politicians realized that that is no
place for lightly armed, unsupported troops).
And this is only a small example, I think a lot of Europeans can think 2
or 3 more for their own homelands.
Please refrain from making unsupported and unsupportable claims, you'll
only make yourself look foolish.
Mart
--
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Write in C, yeah, write in C.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:55:33 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
>
> >> I did what I said, and I got no errors.
> >>
> >> Maybe you're the one who's lying.
> >>
> >> If I'm lying, how come I using KDE 2.1 _right now_?
> >
> > Unless you explicitly removed the previous version of KDE you should not
> > have been able to install the new version without a -U.
> >
> > How do you explain that?
>
> OK, I must have used rpm -U. My mistake.
really now, just "rpm -U *.rpm"
Again, that will not work without any warning messages either. You will get a
few "xxx conflicts with...." warning messages. At least try what you claim to
have done, before you post. Jeez.
>
> > My only problem is that what you say could not have happened as you say it
> > has. You may be running 2.1, I don't care, but the events, as related, are
> > impossible in the context in which you say they happened. Thus I do not
> > trust, either by intent or by inaccuracies, what you said happened.
>
> Are you a lawyer or something?
No, I am not a practicing attorney, but why should I believe something that is
verifiably false? More over, why should you have any credibility, at all, when
you claim that something is defective, and as evidence, you present details
which we know can not be true? Why should we care what you say, when you don't
even relay accurate information as evidence?
I am not calling you a liar, that would require that I knew that you had
intended to deceive. I think, however, there is sufficient information
presented in this thread to conclude that what you post is not reliable
information.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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Reply-To: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 13:45:43 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Of course, given the huge installed base of Windows users, it might make
> > sense to think about how to smooth this transition. If, that is, Linux
is
> > interested in converting these users. If there is a hurdle for a
majority
> > of potential users, and the Linux community collectively thinks "Well,
screw
> > them. They should take the time to learn how to do it our way", I think
we
> > have an example of collective user-UNfriendliness. I'm not saying Linux
> > should be more like Windows, but if those are the users you want to
appeal
> > to, helping them with the transition is the decent thing to do.
>
>
> Liar.
Huh? I think making things easy for people is a decent thing to do, so I'm
a liar?
> The Unix COMMAND LINE is far friendlier than the DOS command line ever
was.
I never said anything about the command line, because what's to say? DOS
had a bare bones, crappy command line. No doubt about it. And FWIW, I
think Apple's MPW development environment beats the Unix command line. But
*normal people* don't really use command lines anyway, so it doesn't matter.
> The most popular Unix GUI's are also EASIER to use than the Windows GUI's.
Pphhh. When you've seen users struggle to get through the things you think
are easy, your attitude will be informed by more than your arrogant
opinions.
--
Craig Oshima
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Shades" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:54:30 -0500
> You know, I can't comment on the relative merits of Linux vs. NT in the
> server department, as I use both only for workstation use (NT at work,
> Linux at home), but when I take on that condescending tone you're using
> towards one of our customers (I work for a bank), my supervisor will be
> all over me, because it is *just as bad* as outright insulting someone.
> Given your tone, and your continuous posting to stoke the flames, I can
> only conlude that you are a troll. A very skilled one, but a troll
> nonetheless.
My apologies, I did not mean to be condecending nor insulting. I really was
asking a question regarding perception but I realize now it was probably a
mistake to do so.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:53:02 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> > 8<SNIP>8
> >>
> >> > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> >> > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> >> > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> >> > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> >> > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> >> > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> >>
> >> Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person. Substitute
> >> "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> >> apart.
>
> > Wrong.
>
> You appear to be the only one who thinks so, again, just like chad.
>
> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
>
> With a few things yes, just like chad. But but your paranoid political philosophies
> are IDENTICAL to chads.
>
> > I have the university
> > education
>
> So does chad, and so do I.
>
> > AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> > I'm talking about.
>
> Chad says he does too.
>
> > Chad, on the other hand, spews Microsoft propaganda.
>
> You spout the same paranoid conspiracy theorist crap.
>
> > I wonder how much they pay him each month to post his propaganda.
>
> Ah, theres that paranoia again.
>
> > And yes, Microsoft DOES pay people to post on this and other newsgroups.
>
> Alright kulkis, ive asked you before and youve patently refused, but how bout
> some absolute evidence of this statement?
>
You forget the discovery of the "astroturfing" campaign so quickly?
For those who don't get it...that was Microsoft's decision to start
financing a campaign of paid correspondance to *LOOK LIKE* "grassroots"
support.
fake grass => astroturf.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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