Linux-Advocacy Digest #950, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 22:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software (Austin Ziegler)
Re: Yet more XBox bogification... ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Craig Oshima")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux (mlw)
Re: Linux @ $19.95 per month (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: NT vs *nix performance (".")
Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software ("Les Mikesell")
Re: User Friendly?? ("Paolo Ciambotti")
CLI vs GUI (mlw)
Re: so can Windows do this ? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: so can Windows do this ? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: 21 Mar 2001 02:15:09 GMT
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > In article <3ab61681$0$44575$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johanson"
: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: > <snip some some stuff>
: > >
: > > At least they can hit something - unlike the rest of the world's
: > > military.
: > >
: > >
: > Hmm,
: >
: > One example: the Dutch Royal Marine Corps. One of the toughest bunch of
: > bastards you've ever seen. Served with distinction in Cambodia, Beirut
: > and Bosnia (after our braindead politicians realized that that is no
: > place for lightly armed, unsupported troops).
: > And this is only a small example, I think a lot of Europeans can think 2
: > or 3 more for their own homelands.
: > Please refrain from making unsupported and unsupportable claims, you'll
: > only make yourself look foolish.
: But, when it comes down to it, when something needs to get done in the
: world, only the Americans can seem to get it done.
Right. But only when the screaming liberals don't
have much say, do we _REALLY_ get things done.
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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
From: Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:20:50 -0500
On 21 Mar 2001, Rob S. Wolfram wrote:
> Austin Ziegler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 3) If you want to place the restrictions of the GPL on your code, that's
>> great and it is your choice -- but don't call it free. It ain't.
> Then neither is BSDLed software. It has license restrictions too.
Find me saying that BSDLed software is "free" and you might have a
point. (If software has a copyright and a licence, no matter how
liberal it is -- and the GPL isn't all that liberal -- it's not free.)
-f
--
austin ziegler * Ni bhionn an rath ach mar a mbionn an smacht
Toronto.ON.ca * (There is no Luck without Discipline)
=================* I speak for myself alone
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yet more XBox bogification...
Date: 21 Mar 2001 02:25:17 GMT
Paul 'Z' Ewande® <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit dans le message
: news: 997p2g$k65$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: <SNIP> Some stuff </SNIP>
: > I don't mean to sound like a whiner. It's
: What you mean is irrelevant. :)
Oh, right. I forgot, this is *.advocacy. :-)
: > just that I tend to take mistruths personally
: > for some odd reason. :-)
: It happens to the best of us, at one point or another.
: > * Stephen checks himself in the mirror, to
: > make sure he hasn't turned into a hippie.
: Admit it, you now use a flower power Mac and are ICQ user. :)
*snicker* Actually, it's funny you mention that. I
seriously must be the complete antithesis to Apple's
sort of themes. For instance, my main workstation
is a dual-processor Tyan board inside of a very large
and tall steel black case (2ft x 2ft x 1ft to be exact).
I call it "The Monolith".
My whole office seems rather "Orwellian looking",
really.
PH43R! :-]
--
.-----. "I'm going to get a new job. I'm going to mow lawns. And when
|[ ] | somebody asks me what I do for a living, I will tell them,
| = :| 'I mow lawns.' And whatever question might follow, the answer
| BSD | will most likely be `Yes,' `No,' or `I mow lawns.' And nobody
|_..._| will ever call me at 3:30am with a lawnmowing emergency."
-- hymie in ASR
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Reply-To: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Craig Oshima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:23:03 -0800
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Craig Oshima wrote:
> >
> > So, because you're smart (extremely rude, but smart), and can write a
> > multi-user, multi-tasking OS all by yourself, your opinion is that the
rest
> > of the world should also major in engineering? Unless they're "fucking
> > clueless"? "User friendly" does not mean "usable if you can write your
OS."
> >
>
> Did Shades write the LIE by writing a multi-tasking operating system is a
> difficult for a software company?
>
> a) no
> B) YES.
My bad. It's hard to keep every thread of this topic separate (that's your
cue to jump in and point out what an idiot I am). But my point stands
nonetheless.
--
Craig Oshima
coshima@nngroup
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: 21 Mar 2001 02:31:14 GMT
spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: In article <997r3b$p1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shades" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
: wrote:
: > I agree there are NT wackos out there too but at least from working with
: > people from both camps, I have found that the NT wackos "generally" are
: > a lot less wacko, or at least a lot less vocal about it.
: My experience is completely different from yours. I have been in 2
: companies with 2 different NT machines....The machines both lock up
: whenever the network is interrupted. In both places there have been a lot
: of 'NT' experts telling me that NT doesn't lock up, although there it is
: locking up in front of their own eyes. But they're adamant that it is a
: machine problem...not an NT problem.
Whenever machines lock up, whether they're running
WindowsNT, Linux, BSD/OS, Solaris, or what have you,
the first thing that should be checked is hardware,
because 90% of the time, that is the very thing
that causes BSODs and/or panics.
--
.-----. "I'm going to get a new job. I'm going to mow lawns. And when
|[ ] | somebody asks me what I do for a living, I will tell them,
| = :| 'I mow lawns.' And whatever question might follow, the answer
| BSD | will most likely be `Yes,' `No,' or `I mow lawns.' And nobody
|_..._| will ever call me at 3:30am with a lawnmowing emergency."
-- hymie in ASR
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Seeking Comparison of Solaris & Linux
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:36:10 -0500
Glenn Catlin wrote:
>
> Where I work we use Solaris in production, but we recently bought a Dell
> host with Red Hat Linux. One of our seasoned Solaris folk quickly
> turned her nose up after a couple of her first command-lines at the
> Linux host failed. I want Linux is succeed in my office, but I need a
> book or something to demonstrate the differences/similarities between
> the two flavors. Any suggestions? Thanks.
You know, I think this is a great topic. Unfortunately I can't point you into
source of information to help.
>From a users perspective, they are similar when similar shells and programs are
used.
Under Solaris, the default shell is either "sh" or "csh." Under Linux, "bash"
is pretty much the default, even though the others are available. On the
solaris boxes I use, I generally put bash on them.
The other big difference is GNU vs SYSV utilities. They are mainly the same,
but have greatly annoying differences in options and output.
>From an OS point of view, Solaris is head and shoulders better than Linux, but
Linux makes it up by running on cheap hardware. Linux is improving as time goes
on, and while it is pretty good right now, make no mistake Solaris is a better
kernel.
I don't know if this helps, and it may read as though I am, but I am not
knocking Linux. I love Linux because it is IMHO the *best* OS for the x86
platform. As a balance of applications, performance, hardware support, price,
stability, and capability I can't think of a better over all winner.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux @ $19.95 per month
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:36:26 GMT
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Windows Update is very free and clear. It's obvious what must be done.
> > > OTOH, Red Hat forces you into a pay scheme and offers a service that
> > > doesn't really count for all that much.
> >
> > The only difference is that Windows doesn't provide "daily patches".
>
> True - they like to perform regression testing before releasing their
> patches - no sleepless nights of untested beta code for me, thank you.
No, instead you have sleepless nights due to tested beta code
(courtesy of Microsoft) and sleepless nights wondering if you've
even been told about the latest security patches for IIS.
And you're welcome.
Chris
--
[ Do Not Make Illegal Copies of This Message ]
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From: "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT vs *nix performance
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 14:52:05 +1200
> Oh my god, you are such a liar! Why a DHCP server would puke based on
> how many nodes is so pathetically lame I can't believe you are making
> such shit up. A single DHCP server for 10K nodes? God, someone teach
> you something about networking - what an idiot.
<SARC>
Shit, it's a good thing you're here to point out .'s lies for us. I mean,
most of us weren't present at his job when the stated events occurred, so
it's damn lucky we have you here to contradict his story.
</SARC>
He never said what the cause of the crashes was, he never said the DHCP
server (as in the software) couldn't handle the load, he just said it
couldn't be used in their network, because it crashed too much. From the
text posted, it could have been because the machine had a piece of faulty
hardware for all you know. Perhaps the guy you get to teach . about
networks can also teach you about comprehension.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,misc.int-property
Subject: Re: Richard Stallman what a tosser, and lies about free software
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 02:52:18 GMT
"Graham Murray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In gnu.misc.discuss, "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > It prevents many potentially useful things from being possible at
> > all with GPL'd code. If by 'user' you mean a person who
> > cannot assemble his own set of components where some
> > parts are GPL'd and some not, there will be no legal way
> > to obtain these things.
>
> By "user" I mean someone who just wishes to run the software to
> perform some task, as opposed to a developer who may wish to change it
> (either to add new functionality, improve it, fix bug or incorporate
> the software (or part thereof) within a new product). Most "non-free"
> software only offers the opportunity to be user, only the "supplier"
> can make changes. Therefore, to the user, GPL'd software suffers no
> disadvantages[1][2] over "commercial" software.
Yes, and for such a user many otherwise useful choices simply won't
exist because of the GPL prevents distributing the code to users.
> [1] Im terms of the licensing.
Yes, for things that don't exist, the license doesn't matter much.
> [2] With the possible exception of "there is no-one to sue if the
> (use of the) software causes loss".
The GPL is irrelevant in this respect. It neither prevents
nor encourages support.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Paolo Ciambotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: User Friendly??
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 19:57:01 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wrong.
>
> All that's needed is for shit-head middle managers to boot Microsoft and
> their maggot-infested pile of dung out the door.
So what you're saying is we need shit-head middle managers with a clue?
That would be what you call an oxymoron, right? My current CIO does not
know the difference between an operating system and an application
program. All he knows is that MSFT marketing can get him his choice of
tee time and buy him lunch afterward, and Redhat doesn't.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CLI vs GUI
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:02:02 -0500
I don't want this to be a bashing (no pun intended) session on either, but want
to point out there are pros and cons to both, and a CLI and a GUI can both be
pretty good.
I guess it is the difference between procedural thought and an appliance.
The "procedural thought" approach to computing views the computer as an aid to
your thought process, similar to a calculator. One can use the computer to
perform the labor of tedious operations. "How are these similar," "How are
these different," "add these things," "Matrix multiply these two tables," etc.
The GUI mentality assigns no aid to your thought process, it relegates the
computer to a just-in-time configurable appliance. It can be a typewriter,
newspaper, magazine, radio, cdplayer, or other similar device.
The language is even similar to these analogies. The GUI camp says that the
computer should be as easy as a VCR. The CLI camp says that you reduce the
capabilities of the system, i.e. dumb it down.
Both camps are right, neither one should win. I really do like a system which
will help me think about complex things, I also want the system to be an
appliance, and play a damn CD with no fuss sometimes.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: so can Windows do this ?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:59:08 -0600
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Now that you mention it, (Amiga) I had five different independent
> > > windows running graphics animations. I've never seen MS windows do
> > > that.
> >
> > Never used a non-linear editing system, have you?
> >
> > I've seen an NLE doing 2 320x240 30fps video monitors with a third
> > "combined" feed that combines both sources in a transation, while doing
> > motion graphics from a 4th animation source. Granted, that's not 5, but
> > it's 4.
>
> Of course, the backend was a Unix machine.
No, it was Windows NT box, runing Purple (yes, that's it's name).
http://www.fastmultimedia.com/com_prods_purple_desk.html
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: so can Windows do this ?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 21:02:22 -0600
"Andy Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> If I remember correctly, when the Amiga OS was written it was done by a
> programmer whose previous job was programming UNIX systems and
consequently
> built it around many similar concepts.
The AmigaOS wasn't written by a single developer, but rather a number of
them. Some parts were even contracted out, such as AmigaDOS (the disk
portion). Much of the OS is based on Theos, while the DOS portions are
based on BCPL (which technically is a language, but it's rather like UCSD
Pascal which is an entire OS within an OS).
> As the designers had never used IBM PC's, their minds were never polluted
> with rubbish like MS-DOS and ISA cards hence the fully multi-tasking OS,
> true auto-config expansion slots and fully integrated WIMP system.
Actually, it was designed to be a video game console, but was converted to a
PC when the market fell out of the game console market in the early 80's.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:02:32 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> Many of these responses are similar to the ones I got years ago from a
> number of Macintosh people when Apple was king. I don't see any difference
> between this scenario and the ones of the past except that Apple/Novell
> actually generated revenue and had something higher than 0.0 for an EPS.
> Maybe you guys are right... maybe this time it will be different and Linux
> will win the day.
>
> However , MS is pretty relentless on stopping Linux now and they don't sit
> around focusing on how Linux TCP implementation stinks. They take their
> case to the customers and show how MS is better in very different ways.
> They show where they do integrate with many products and how some of their
> new products coming out will help them do business. You can all laugh at
> me... but I have sat in both server rooms and boardrooms and have seen them
> in action. Sometimes they fail but generally their sales reps are
> relentless and MS doesn't like to lose. You can say they cheat, lie and
> steal but in the end they can offer a CTO some damned compelling reasons to
> go with them. I have seen Unix people throw things at director level
> people because they discussing bringing in NT. Instead of giving them a
Becaue said director is OBVIOUSLY an incompetant shit-head who is
better suited for mopping floors than making important data-processing
decisions.
> good story about why Unix/Linux and services that come with it are better
> they do nothing but bitch. That becomes the most self defeating action
> they can do.
>
> I have read numerous posts all over from this group and that and I have
> heard everyone compalin about MS and their evil tactics and how they aren't
> going to get away with it this time and how Linux is so much better...
> However I think you guys really should drop the anger and focusing on how
> bad MS is and focus on solving the client's business problems. Is producing
> a great OS one way. Yes. Is it all you have to do, No.
>
> I am a little tired of watching year after year great technologies go down
> the shitter because the company making them doesn't have a much of a clue
> about anything else and because so many people are so damned self righteous
> that they MUST win by shear will. Steve Jobs proved that to be wrong as did
> so many others that MS went after. MS may be a bunch of assholes but they
> don't seem to be as big an asshole as their competition can be.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:04:53 -0500
Shades wrote:
>
> Many of these responses are similar to the ones I got years ago from a
> number of Macintosh people when Apple was king. I don't see any difference
> between this scenario and the ones of the past except that Apple/Novell
> actually generated revenue and had something higher than 0.0 for an EPS.
> Maybe you guys are right... maybe this time it will be different and Linux
> will win the day.
>
> However , MS is pretty relentless on stopping Linux now and they don't sit
> around focusing on how Linux TCP implementation stinks. They take their
> case to the customers and show how MS is better in very different ways.
> They show where they do integrate with many products and how some of their
> new products coming out will help them do business. You can all laugh at
> me... but I have sat in both server rooms and boardrooms and have seen them
> in action. Sometimes they fail but generally their sales reps are
> relentless and MS doesn't like to lose. You can say they cheat, lie and
> steal but in the end they can offer a CTO some damned compelling reasons to
> go with them. I have seen Unix people throw things at director level
> people because they discussing bringing in NT. Instead of giving them a
Becaue said director is OBVIOUSLY an incompetant shit-head who is
better suited for mopping floors than making important data-processing
decisions.
He is spendinding INCREDIBLE sums of money on systems that will
take incredible amounts of time and effort to get to a point of
delivering even 50% of what Microsoft promises....
Time and effort that they could better spend giving quality
customer support....MONEY that could be better spent on salaries.
> good story about why Unix/Linux and services that come with it are better
> they do nothing but bitch. That becomes the most self defeating action
> they can do.
No...the most self-defeating action anybody can do is to order
order a Mafia$oft pollution from Redmond, Washington.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:08:46 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
> > Craig Oshima wrote:
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Most users (including hackers) do not use hundreds of other
> programs. A
> > > > > dozen is probably more than most people ever use. However, the fact
> > > that
> > > > > the average cost of any given commercial application is 100 USD or
> more
> > > is a
> > > > > good reason to cheer on Linux.
> > > >
> > > > Regardless...
> > > >
> > > > A Linux user has a FULLY FUNCTIONAL system within 1 hour of booting
> > > > the installation disk.
> > > >
> > > > For a Windows user, getting even basic functionality takes close
> > > > to a DAY.
> > >
> > > I sure don't know where you get your information...it doesn't take more
> than
> > > an hour for me to do a clean install of W2K and Office.
> >
> > And all of your other software is .... where.....exactly?
> >
> > DOH!
>
> For normal users, that's probably more than they need.
Oh, really. All workers need is M$-Office, and nothing more?
So...they access the various databases through what, exactly?
Do they go in with word-pad and edit the raw binary files?
> It certainly at
> least meets what I would call "basic functionality." I grant that it's
> another hour or so for me to continue adding development tools, MSDN,
> various Adobe applications and some miscellaneous utilities. I don't
> imagine you're happy with just the basic Linux install?
You are obviously a complete brain-dead idiot who has not spent
a SINGLE day working in a corporate IT department.
Now, you donkey-raping shit-eater, go cash your cheesy little check
from Bill for Shilling for his MANY-TIMES CONVICTED criminal enterprise,
and SHUT THE FUCK UP until you are willing to discuss truth and facts.
IS ANY OF THIS GETTING THROUGH YOUR THICK, MAGGOT-INFESTED HEAD?!?!?!!?
>
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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