Linux-Advocacy Digest #633, Volume #33 Sun, 15 Apr 01 20:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Blame it all on Microsoft (Charles Lyttle)
Re: there's always a bigger fool (Charles Lyttle)
Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (Charles
Lyttle)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ? (Franek)
RE: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Tiffany)
Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism, Communist
propagandists in the US...still..to this day.) ("Mysterion")
Re: Communism (Fulcanelli)
Re: Impact of Internet (Webmaster)
Re: Linux = CHOICE! ("George Davenport")
Re: Communism (Fulcanelli)
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.theory,comp.arch,comp.object
Subject: Re: Blame it all on Microsoft
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 22:57:19 GMT
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> AMD
> :> Cyrix.
> :>
> :> Hope that helps.
> :>
>
> : They do. They have enough of the market in PC chips to qualify as a
> : monopoly. Intel just hasn't been caught using illegal methods to
> : maintain that monopoly. Having a monopoly isn't illegal. Using some
> : monopoly powers to maintain the monopoly is illegal.
>
> Intel has a concentration of power that would be unacceptable had it
> not been arrived at and maintained by mostly lawful and ethical means.
>
> However, it is possible to produce a clone of any Pentium-class CPU,
> and at least one company, AMD, does exactly that. This is not true of
> Windows, since its API is not sufficiently documented.* Therefore,
> Intel does not, and cannot, as long as this is the case, have the same
> kind of monopoly power enjoyed by Mafia$oft.
>
> Joe
>
> * Wintrolls: yes, I'm aware that *some* of the API is documented
> in the MSDN Library. But much of the documentation is incorrect,
> and some of it isn't there, and, therefore, it isn't and never
> has been possible to make another OS compatible with 'Bloze. **
>
> ** Wine advocates: yes, I know that the Wine folks have done a
> commendable job of trying. But it is largely their work which
> proves that the Win32 API is horribly mis-documented, and that M$
> software and third-party software built using M$ tools simply
> wouldn't work if the API were implemented as published - it has
> many bugs which all this software relies on for proper operation.
I agree with the lawful part, I'm not too sure about the ethical part.
Intel has pulled some pretty dirty, but legal, tricks. They did pull
away from MS when MS got too far out.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: there's always a bigger fool
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:00:42 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Charles Lyttle"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Can you cite any widely used programs that prompt for a reboot that do
> > not actually need a reboot?
>
> Almost any application being installed under Win2K. If it prompts for a
> reboot, it's almost certain not to actually need it. (One notable
> exception is when it does, actually, provide an OS services update, such
> as a new MSI runtime, a new version of MDAC, or the like.)
Give me a name. How about one for NT, W2k, ME, 98, XP, etc.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:12:12 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Charles Lyttle wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Mathew wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 14 Apr 2001, Jim Richardson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:51:42 GMT,
> > > > > silverback, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > > > brought forth the following words...:
> > > > >
> > > > > >On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:24:34 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > > > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>Goldhammer wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 13:33:15 -0400,
> > > > > >>> Rob Robertson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> > Right. Fascism is characterized by the *state-directed* control of
> > > > > >>> >the economy,
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Hmm. Sounds like communism.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Precisely.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>Communism and Fascism are merely different sides of the same coin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >bullshit you lying sack of shit. Fascism is the polar opposite of
> > > > > >communism. They have nothing in common.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fascicsm=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > > > Communism=control by a ruling oligarchy that murders it's population.
> > > >
> > > > What about Capitalist Fascist dictatorships like the
> > > > Philippines,particulary under Marcos.
> > >
> > > Capitalism and Fascism are MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TERMS, you goddmned fucking moron.
> > >
> >
> > BZZZZT. Wrong. Both the Italian and Spanish Fascist governments were
> > very capitalistic. Capital is just one of the Bunds that make up a
> > Fascist government. Labor, Church, Military are three others.
>
> Wrong. Free Markets are fundamental to the definition of Capitalism.
> Fascism's oppressive state involvement in the economy PREVENTS any
> true Free Market...thus, Capitalism and Fascism are mutually exclusive.
>
BZZT. WRONG again. Capitalism has nothing to do with free markets. In
fact, once the GOVERNMENT starts creating artifical persons in the form
of corporations, free markets go out the window. No capitalist country
has free markets. In Fascist countries, it often happens that Capital
controls the government. The US and Japan are two of the most
capitalistic countries around. Just try to take a boat load of
California oranges to Japan and sell them. Or get a load of Japaneese
eletronics/games/CDs and bring them here to sell. Both countries would
be out to hang you for interfearing with the the local capitalist.
> Hope that helps, uneducated fool.
>
> >
> > Japan and several other Asian/Pacific countries also adopted variants of
> > Fascism. In Japan the primary Bunds today are Merchant, Farmer,
> > Industry, the Military haveing fallen in disgrace after WWII.
>
> Scott Erb (Professional blackboard washer), are you listening????
>
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > wow! no similarity there!
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jim Richardson
> > > > > Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
> > > > > WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> > > > > Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > > Unix Systems Engineer
> > > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > > ICQ # 3056642
> > >
> > > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > > K: Truth in advertising:
> > > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> > > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> > > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> > >
> > > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> > >
> > > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> > >
> > > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > > you are lazy, stupid people"
> > >
> > > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> > >
> > > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> > >
> > > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > > her behavior improves.
> > >
> > > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > > ...despite (C) above.
> > >
> > > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> > >
> > > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > > direction that she doesn't like.
> > >
> > > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
> >
> > --
> > Russ Lyttle
> > "World Domination through Penguin Power"
> > The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
> > <http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
Russ Lyttle
"World Domination through Penguin Power"
The Universal Automotive Testset Project at
<http://home.earthlink.net/~lyttlec>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:24:06 +0200
"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Chad Myers wrote:
>
> > "webgiant " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >
> > > Wasn't that USA-China gaffe over a NAVY spyplane?
> > >
> > > Forboding of worse things to come?
> > >
> > > "Falcon to Base! Our screens just went blue and we were being buzzed
> > > by a Chinese plane right before they went offline! <CRASH!> Oops..."
> >
> > Well, it could've been worse:
> >
> > "Bravo 6 to eagle, we are being buzzed by a Chinese MiG. We will be
> > taking evasive maneuvers as soon as our kernel is done recompiling to
> > add in the "steering" support we downloaded from site in... china!"
>
> That's all nonsense of course - the steering support
> would have been in the original distro - no need for
> kernel compiles, but maybe Chad hasn't caught on....
Both Linux & Windows are written mainly in C or C++, not a good language for
fail-safe mechanisms.
Plane controls, and most military software, are usually written in Ada.
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From: Franek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Could Linux be used in this factory environment ?
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:49:04 GMT
Brent R wrote:
> No way man, you're wrong ... everything that's computer-related must
> look like a web-page... if it doesn't then you're just behind the times.
> The factory worker's will be soooo much more productive if they feel
> like they're searching the web,
Oh yea, yeah, now I see I was wrong, of course, yeas, just think of it, the factory
workers will be able to shop on-line while operating their favorite lathe! Kewl, dude.
To
check how their stocks are doing, transact their banking online, make a reservation at
a
favorite restaurant in Seattle, stare at some nekkid broads while them forklifts are
running wild around. Read some unimaginative crap on Salon-dot-com. Productivity will
soar
that's for sure. That's the end of the shop floor as we know it.
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From: Tiffany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:55:21 -0400
>===== Original Message From "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =====
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>However, it would've been a reference implementation or a buggy one
>with several exploits which the Chinese could've taken advantage of.
Ah, Chad would you like me to put you over me knee and spank some sense into
you?
Tiffany
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From: "Mysterion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Why left-wing communist assholes hate Reagan. (was Re: Communism,
Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.)
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 20:03:30 -0400
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bloody Viking wrote:
> >
> > Organization: Ripco Internet Services- Chicago
> > Distribution:
> > X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL2]
> >
> > Joseph T. Adams ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > : According to left-wing communist assholes, anyone who tries to
> > : dismantle or reform any important part of the welfare state is not
> > : only eeeevil, bur racist, because left-wing communist assholes want us
> > : to believe they're the only ones who can "help" poor Black and
> > : Hispanic people, and that without this "help," they could not possibly
> > : survive.
> >
> > Fun problem: Our monetary policy ensures that we can never have full
> > employment. Since we have a policy of intentional unemployment, it is
morally
> > unacceptable to not have some kind of welfare system. We can quibble
about how
> > a welfare system should be implimented, but one is needed in a regime of
> > intentional unemployment to cut inflation.
>
> Idiotic Keynesian policies are not only fully discredited, but but
> have been ignored by both the Republican Congress AND Alan Greenspan.
>
> That's why unemployment has been so low lately. Hell, in Detroit,
> they fast food places will pay a high school kid, with zero experience,
> $9.00 + benefits JUST TO START
But who the hell WANTS to live and work in Detroit?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fulcanelli)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,us.military.army
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:57:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Walter Daniels) wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 23:51:38 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Fulcanelli wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Scott Erb
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Scott Erb wrote:
> >> > > > Too simplistic. Here is a bit about fascism:
>
> >If a doctor professes to be "interested in the health of his patients",
> >but his procedures cause every one of his patients...even those with
> >mild colds, to die within days...because his methods call for ingesting
> >large doses of strychnine and cyanide....would you say that this doctor's
> >work has redeeming qualities?
> >
> >Translation: The road to hell is paved with "good intentions"
> >
> >Intentions are worthless (and besides, they are sooooooo easy to
> >lie about). The ONLY thing that matters is results.
> >
> >ALL forms of Socialism (Fascism, Communism, and middle-of-the-road
> >socialism) all cause GREAT amounts of harm and very very little good.
> >
> >In the year 1900, one could be excused for not knowing.
> >
> >In the year 2000, claiming to not understand that socialism is
> >evil is inexcusable for anybody who claims to be educated.
>
> Sad, but true.
Silly, and untrue. Socialism is defined as public ownership of the means
of production. Some have suggested this would involve state ownership of
the means of production, but this state would be controlled by the
proletariat and the rest of the public, and since the public or working
class would control the entire means, it would naturally translate to
public ownership or worker ownership of the means of production since they
own the apparatus through which such means are controlled, and thus in
effect own the means of production.
I know about the only definitions and mis-definitions of Socialism, but
for the most part they seem to be inventions of the ignorant, based on the
idea that systems like the USSR are Socialist, and tend to thus become
silliness. If someone has a mature rebuttal that shows that these other
systems are indeed Socialism, I will be interested, but children looking
for an excuse to insult will not be dignified.
P.S. Doesn't it show that the right-wing is losing when they must cut off
entire viewpoints as being "silly" when they haven't even given rational
proof that they are silly?
It is fun to watch them fail again and again, though.
--
To email me, remove "NOSPAM" from my address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Webmaster)
Crossposted-To:
comp.arch,comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.theory,misc.invest.stocks
Subject: Re: Impact of Internet
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 02:27:41 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 15 Apr 2001 01:10:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alwyn Goodloe)
wrote:
> Now there are some real apps that could use some future net to
>transform society. Say creating a virtual office where everyone works from
>whereever they are located but meet and work in a virtual office space everyday.I
>mean attend meetings, talk face to face, talk about tiger's latest victory
>all in virtual space yet never leave Iowa or Alabama or whereever.
>Now that would be useful.
>
Hey! That's *exactly* what my site is for! And I got slammed for mentioning it
over here! Please, check it out.
SMF,
Webmaster.
--
http://www.webmeeters.net
- For forming international Virtual Companies from all talented professionals
from around the Net.
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From: "George Davenport" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.singles
Subject: Re: Linux = CHOICE!
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 16:53:26 -0700
The Ghost In The Machine wrote
>
> George Davenport wrote
> >Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> >> True, and isn't it great when a distro makes a really fucking
> >> awful distro you have the opportunity to goto another vendor,
> >> and you can keep changing until you find one that suites your
> >> needs.
> >
> >linux slut
>
> http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html
>
> :-)
>
> (Not for anyone under 18 or lacking a sense of humor.)
Ha!
I have a linux-using academic friend who's going to get a
surprise pic (the woman in the linux underwear) in his
e-mailbox.
George
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fulcanelli)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 00:05:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Walter Daniels wrote:
>
> >
> > The Japanese Government(?) and Japanese business, are so intertwined
> > taht there isd effectively no difference. This due in large part, to
> > their decision after WWII, to "co-ordinate" business policies. There
> > is a ministry, whose name escapes me, that literally controls research
> > and development. No R&D is done, without their permission. IIRC, it
> > also determines what can be imprted/exported.
>
> Which, of course, means you have a state capitalist system, similar in
> ways to authoritarian state capitalist systems in other Asian states, like
> Korea and Taiwan, though each have moved towards democracy, and Japan is
> democratic.
>
> None of that suggests Japan is fascist. Anyone who makes that claim is
> ignorant about what fascism is, and engaged in hyperbolic rhetoric that
> creates more heat than light.
Good point. Fascism has always, by it's nature, been anti-democratic and
to equate a democratic nation with Fascism is silly. Now some people
might argue that the democracy is an illusion, like some Socialists, but
they'd never do something like claim that a democratic nation is Fascist.
Another thing Daniels doesn't know is that, in Fascism, the state
*assists* big business in maintaining and increasing production, as
opposed to acting as a burden. This would make the Bush administration
more like Fascism than Japan easily.
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