Linux-Advocacy Digest #853, Volume #33 Mon, 23 Apr 01 23:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate" (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Things Linux can't do! (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Communism (theRadical)
Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Communism (theRadical)
Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead. (Terry Porter)
Re: Intel versus Sparc (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Matthew Gardiner)
Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males (Brent R)
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More Lies from a Linux "advocate"
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:00:32 +1200
Hullo wrote:
>
> I note you are all compelled to lie and falsify postings (the below comment
> attributed to me is fake).
>
> I guess it's true what I was told- you people make things up compulsively.
> You do your cause a great deal of harm when you lie as it reflects on
> everything you say. All I said was WINDOWS 2000 ROCKS.
>
> Assume nothing else.
Well, when there is an earth quake in Wellington, not only does NT rock,
but the television, computer, bookshelf and linux box.
Matthew Gardiner
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Henry_Barta wrote:
> > >
> > > Hullo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > It's great.
> > >
> > > Yes! I actually got 15 days+ of uptime on my Win2K box.
> > >
> >
> > whoop de fucking do
> >
> >
> >
> > > Before I had to reboot it to complete a S/W upgrade. IIRC, that
> > > was the multimedia thing. It *did* manage to complete the most
> > > recent security upgrade without a rebooting, but that was the
> > > first upgrade that didn't require at least one reboot. (Still,
> > > WinME has it beat. I had to reboot three times to get that
> > > upgraded:
> > >
> > > 1. install new upgrade manager - reboot required
> > > 2. install new web browser - reboot required
> > > 3. install security patch for web browser - reboot required.
> > >
> > > Sheesh!
> > >
> > > But that is far better than having it reboot itself because id
> > > didn't like the CD I just put in.
> > >
> > > Glad you like it. I thought that with all of the effort that's
> > > gone into it they could have done better.
> > >
> >
> > REAL operating system get 180 day uptimes without blinking.
> >
> >
> > > --
> > > Hank Barta White Oak Software Inc.
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Predictable Systems by Design.(tm)
> > > Beautiful Sunny Winfield, Illinois
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> > L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> > can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > K: Truth in advertising:
> > Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> > Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> > Special Interest Sierra Club,
> > Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> > Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> > The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> > Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
> >
> >
> > J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> > The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> > also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
> >
> > I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> > challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> > between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> > Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
> >
> > H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> > premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> > you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> > you are lazy, stupid people"
> >
> > G: Knackos...you're a retard.
> >
> >
> > F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> > adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
> >
> > E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> > her behavior improves.
> >
> > D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> > ...despite (C) above.
> >
> > C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
> >
> > B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> > method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> > direction that she doesn't like.
> >
> > A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
--
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:04:43 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Yeah, no crap.
>
> *** NEWS FLASH ***
>
> Writing code that works only on 64-bit platforms may crash on 32-bit
> platforms!
>
> *** NEWS FLASH ***
Almost a tautology. Anyway, 2^26 = 64 Mb, still 6 bits left.
In any case, the code works if the size of the array is reduced
to well below 16 Mb, but of course the data set that can be
computed is much smaller than it needs to be for this task.
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Things Linux can't do!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:05:50 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> I prefer "startx".
I seem to recall that Mr. C is one who
cannot get linux loaded properly <grin>.
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (theRadical)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:03:39 GMT
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:28:55 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>theRadical wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:50:03 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >theRadical wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:31:15 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:06:25 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >the Democratic Party is a bunch of Marxists, who, knowing that using
>> >> >> >the name Communists would be bad PR, engage in a campaign of deception
>> >> >> >to get the populace of the country to vote for their own enslavement.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >ANYBODY who seeks to enslave others sacrifices any claim to his own life.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Hope that helps.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> which means soooo [sic] much coming from a fucking idiot twat such as
>> >> >> yourself.
>> >> >
>> >> >Gonna come say that to my face?
>> >>
>> >> i'm still waiting for you to show up to repossess my vehicle and
>> >> explain your ridiculous theory that a ship captain is nothing more
>> >> that a paper pusher.
>> >>
>> >> when you show up, i will say that and much more, twat.
>> >
>> >Mounted bayonets at 20 paces.
>> >
>> >How about it, big boy.
>>
>> all you need is a few good bitch slaps. show up bitch.
>
>Prepare to be eviscerated.
show up.
>
>I live in Detroit.
bfd.
>
>come to Detroit, where the weak are killed and eaten.
another geeky white guy drops a name and thinks that makes him tough.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 - It is an excellent product
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:07:00 +1200
Hullo wrote:
>
> Wonderful product from Microsoft. Go get it and get used to the future
> dudes.
>
> Work on politeness as your manners reflect badly on your linux cause..maybe
> take some exercise and eat more fruit to relieve your evident stress and
> aggression. Learn to relax.
> Assume nothing.
> LT
What is you job? what are your qualifications? how old are you?
my guess to the above questions:
Hullo's Job: Works at either KFC or Whimpies (I think it is a UK fast
foods chain)
Hullo's Qualifications: Degree in deep-fry-a-chicken-and-chips-ology
How old is Hullo: He is a pimply faced 15 year old with a chip on his
shoulder.
ps. Some should give this little toe-rag a good kick up the ass and haul
him back to primary school where he belongs.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (theRadical)
Crossposted-To:
alt.society.liberalism,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:07:46 GMT
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 17:27:59 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>theRadical wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:26:20 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >theRadical wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:49:32 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:31:15 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >theRadical wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:06:25 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >the Democratic Party is a bunch of Marxists, who, knowing that using
>> >> >> >> >the name Communists would be bad PR, engage in a campaign of deception
>> >> >> >> >to get the populace of the country to vote for their own enslavement.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >ANYBODY who seeks to enslave others sacrifices any claim to his own life.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Hope that helps.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> which means soooo [sic] much coming from a fucking idiot twat such as
>> >> >> >> yourself.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Gonna come say that to my face?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> i'm still waiting for you to show up to repossess my vehicle and
>> >> >> explain your ridiculous theory that a ship captain is nothing more
>> >> >> that a paper pusher.
>> >> >
>> >> >Spot the strawman arguments.
>> >>
>> >> strawman? you threatened to confiscate my car as part of you duties
>> >> as a law enforcement officer.
>> >
>> >Wrong on two counts.
>> >
>> >I said, by your logic, I should, as a government agent, be able
>> >to confiscate your car
>>
>> wrong, you said you WERE a government agent
>
>Yes, I am.
well then, show up and confiscate my vehicle asshole.
>
>> and that you WERE going to
>> confiscate my vehicle because you WANTED to.
>
>When I feel like it, I will. Because you have not proved
>sufficient NEED for it.
please show up. you are so full of shit. just like the ship captain
thing.
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >> to confiscate my car, you must show up.
>> >
>> >Did I give you an exact date?
>> >
>> >a) yes
>> >B) NO
>>
>> C) so fucking what?
>>
>> at least you admit that you were going to show up, flip flopper.
>>
>> you are nothing more than an arrogant hateful asshole liar.
>
>
>Yes, I admit, I am arrogant and hateful when I lie to assholes.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >hope that helps
>>
>> the kulkis strategy:
>>
>> attack, dodge, attack, accuse, dodge.
>
>close
>
>Audi, Dodge, Audi, Accura, Dodge.
that goes in the dodge category.
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> when you show up, we will converse. what makes that a strawman
>> >> argument?
>> >>
>> >> you are the liar with the ridiculous arguments. your accusation of
>> >> strawman arguments is a joke.
>> >
>> >
>> >So says the scarecrow maker.
>>
>> so says the lying asshole who can't back up anything he says.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> when you show up, i will say that and much more, twat.
>
>
>That's not a very female accepting thing to say.
i guess you would know pussy.
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Winvocates confuse me - d'oh!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:11:33 +1200
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Previously the winvocate mantra was: "Windows is soooo good, why would I
> not pay for it?"
>
> ... which made kinda sense; after all, they already _had_ paid for it,
> so why not rationalise your faux pas.
>
> In the past two or three days I've come at least twice across posts
> which essentially say: "OK, so Windows is too expensive, let's pirate
> the crap out of it. It's okay, because the corporate sharks pay for us
> pirates anyway".
>
> ... which is weird. Has Windows suddenly become less than worth its
> price? Has Microsoft decided to take out some precious features so that
> suddenly Windows has become less valuable?
>
> Or is this how winvocates perceive free software?
>
> It's kinda like certain people (with initials CM) who go around the
> newsgroups for _years_, touting Windows 9x as God's Gift To the
> Community, and then suddenly changing their tune to: "Well, Windows 95
> was crap, obviously; and NT wasn't too good either. But Win2k... now
> that's the best operating system ever".
>
> You gotta laugh, eh?
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
> ==============================================================
> "You're the weakest link. Goodb-No, wait! Stop! Noaaarrghh!!!"
> ==============================================================
And of course, as soon as Windows XP is released you will have all the
winadvocates claim that Win2k, win 9x and win ME are crap, and XP is the
way of the future. Solaris, from day one, it has just been getting
better after each release. Linux, same situation. Windows, stuck in the
same rut for, well, at least 15 years. I see no progress what so ever,
the only people who are ammused are the end luser, who, like most
simpletons are ammused by the simplist of items, a bit like how flies
are attracked to light.
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:13:09 GMT
Kelsey Bjarnason wrote:
>
> [snips]
>
> "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > Figured it couldn't be compiler bugs! After some
> > more dicking around with cleaning up some of
> > the myriad of warnings, I noticed that the
> > bad function was pushing an array of structures
> > onto the stack. Looking at the size of the array,
> > found it was 64 Mb!
> >
> > At that point, we realized that the Intel platform
> > was the cause of the trouble
>
> Really? The Intel platform, eh? Not, say, the programmer who created this
> monstrosity in the first place without a shred of consideration for the
> possible impact of doing it, no, not his fault, must be the platform.
Point well taken. My point is that the PC platform, although powerful,
is still on the low end of ability (and cost, of course). The
engineer who tried to port this code was ignorant of either that
64 Mb structure, or the limitation of the PC. As was I; I had
to come in later and find the problem.
In any case, it wasn't my code! And even though the code was
not good, the engineer could still justifiably sneer at
the PC platform. (You should have heard him gripe about
Windoze.... poor guy had never had to deal with it before.)
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: another example of why Linux is brain dead.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 24 Apr 2001 02:13:40 GMT
On Mon, 23 Apr 2001 23:35:50 GMT, webgiant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 09 Apr 2001 17:31:47 +1200, Matthew Gardiner
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Why didn't you ask for help? too worried that your fragile ego will be crushed?
>>You are probably like the thousand who have tried Linux, then suddenly find out
>>that just by clicking the start button doesn't make you a computer expert.
>>Instead of eating humble pie and asking for help, they then have the nerve to
>>post on COLA to bitch about the fact that they were to incompetent to get
>>something to work.
>>
>>I read the documentation, and actually follow the instructions, and voila, I have
>>a working CD-Writer. So get over it, and grow up.
>
> And if recompiling the kernel is something which you would utterly
> detest, get Mandrake 7.2. It has IDE CD burner support precompiled
> into the kernel.
Yeah thats right, it made burning cd's very easy in my case.
Whats more the Mandrake7.2 cd was from a Magazine costing $16.
>
>>Matthew Gardiner
>>
>>
>>"kirk@do_not_spam" wrote:
>>
>>> I spend the last 3 hours trying to mount a CD on linux and finally
>>> gave up. I wasted too much time.
When I spend a technology I don't understand, I alwayslearn something useful,
and find that I get the time back later, doing something harder, something
that I now understand, due to the former experience.
>>> Booted windows NT, stuck the CD in,
>>> and on I went to work.
Sure that is easier, but your still locked into NT, and still don't have any
real understanding of what happens or why.
>>>
>>> If anyone thinks this junk will compete with windows they must be
It not only competes, it blows Windows away. Btw, we normally refer to Win3.1,
Win95, Win98 and Win2k as 'Windows'. NT is NT.
>>> out of their minds.
I understand your experience was frustrating, but as with many things, mine was
different to yours.
For me, burning a CD under Linux was a 1/2 hour afair, including fitting the
CD drive (Ricoh RW7083A).
I learnt the 2 simple steps required for burning a data cd, and now I know
how EASY it is. In fact a cli is so much easier than a gui full of confusing
menues etc.
Plus its easy to automate the process with a simple shell script, for backups
etc.
>>>
>>> And before anyone tells me I am a newbie, I am not.
As a non newbie, did you consult the doc for cdrecord ?
The process is explained simply, and is very instructive.
>>>
>>> I had a IDE r/w CDROM. with SUSE 7.1, kernel 2.4, and KDE latest and greatest.
>>>
>>> Wanted to burn some files into the CD (which on windows is a breeze).
Really ??
I was just talking to a friend on line, hes a Windows user and out of the last
17 CD's hes burnt, 9 failed!
Windows may be 'easy' to burn cd's with, its the BSOD's and buffer underuns
that let you down. Windows ...easy but unreliable.
>>>
>>> so I started KonCD (or whatver that thing is called that comes with KDE).
>>> of course , it did not see it and no reason is given. searching and
>>> reading I found I need to build a new kernel with scsi ide emulation mode
>>> (imagin if someone on windows has to rebuild windows to write a CD).
>>>
>>> OK, I went through that, rebuild a new kernel, ran lilo and rebooted.
>>>
>>> now KonCD sees the device. I select the directory to write to the CD
>>> (why the hell it wont let one select a file, but a directory is another
>>> brain dead feature). So, it wrote the directory to the CD OK.
Sounds like a painfull process.
>>>
>>> Now another fun part starts. I wanted to read the CD. no chance. unable
>>> to mount the CD.
>>>
>>> tried every possible combination and device (trying to figure name of devices
>>> on linux is another stupid thing, why does not linux have at least something
>>> like 'volcheck' on Solaris?).
>>>
>>> Then I started searching the net for clues, I found that I need to tell
>>> the kernel at boot up some more hint. so added the line
>>>
>>> append "hdb=scsi"
>>>
>>> where hdb is my CD drive on my PC.
>>>
>>> re-run lilo and reboot.
>>>
>>> try again
>>>
>>> mount -r -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /some_directory
>>>
>>> no luck. same erros.
>>>
>>> Yes, I have iso file system build in.
>>>
>>> try a dozen more mount commands, all the same errors. dmesg simply tells
>>> me I have an IO error or some other cryptic kernel messages which gives
>>> no clue as what to do.
>>>
>>> shutdown the PC, reboot to window, stick the same CD and it is there.
>>> the directory I wrote on the CD is actually there.
>>>
>>> No rebuilding kernels, no telling windows any boot parameters, no
>>> mounting, no trying to remember the device cryptic names. It is just there
>>> to use. as an OS should be.
Now get someone on your home net to burn the CD, still easy ?
Write a simple shell script to check directories of your choice,find the files
that have changed, and save them tomorrow morning at 3am when your asleep, on
to a rewritable cd, then erase it the next day before the process is repeated.
Ms Windows still simple ?
>>>
>>> I can't believe this. why, I ask why, can't linux be as simple as windows?
Because Linux does far more than windows ?
>>>
>>> anyone who think this stuff will challenge windows must be on drugs, and
>>> I really mean that.
You just were unfortunate not to be running Mandrake7.2, if you had been
(and if your CD unit liked Linux) then your experience would have been as
easy as mine.
Now that you have been thru the process, you have gained the fundamentals of
Cd burning, why waste it by going back to Windows ?
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Intel versus Sparc
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:19:18 GMT
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> Bad conclusion. It sounds like you might have bad code and all platforms
> except Sparc detected it. I'm not all that familiar with Sparc and Solaris,
> but I know that on AIX, if you are using threads, you can overflow the
> stack and the program just keeps on going until the thread whose data got
> zapped gets control again. I noticed that on Linux, you are much more
> likely to get a core dump right away. That makes debugging a whole lot
> easier.
I actually looked at the assembly code, and didn't quite understand it.
After making room for the local variables, the code jumped back to the
beginning of the function, plus 9 bytes. The next instruction (I forget
the sequence) would yield the exception. It sure looked buggy to me,
definitely not like your normal 80x86 C stack frame. Maybe both
gcc and Borland can't generate good code when asked to push 64 Mb
onto the stack. Since gcc had the same problem on Linux (apparently)...
I have to learn more.
Chris
--
"Where do you want to hang today?"
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From: Matthew Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:26:15 +1200
JS PL wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
> > > And your a College Educated Unix Engineer.....who only uses
> Windows..Pffft..
> >
> > Even after I explain the deception, he still doesn't get it.
>
> Explaining something which is possible isn't proof that your doing it. Your
> using Windows98 and lying about it. Your worse than Devlin who uses it and
> claims he's forced to do it.
>
> > > After you deal with your own lies, you can begin throwing accusations
> > > around.
> >
> > So, what college campus did you trespass upon?
>
> SDSU - dropped out after a year, and have never looked back.
LOL. me, a 4 year degree vs. JS PL, a college drop out!
Matthew Gardiner
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From: Brent R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Feminism ==> subjugation of males
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 02:22:26 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> Brent R wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > Brent R wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > jet wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > MH wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "jet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:9c06um$1o3m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:vEFE6.1319$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any man who supports Feminism is a self-flagellating idiot.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Any man who thinks a woman should be paid the same for equal work
> > > > > > is a
> > > > > > > > > > self
> > > > > > > > > > > flagellating idiot?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No, just any man who marries one.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any man who marries a woman who thinks she should get paid the same
>as
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > man
> > > > > > > > > for the same work is a self flagellating idiot?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > LOL.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > J
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Pay is not the issue. I've no problem with women getting equal pay.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But try to find a woman who TRULY does equal work...like coming in early,
> > > > > > > or staying late, as needed. Or going out of town on a business trip
> > > > > > > on short notice....or transferring half way across the country (or
> > > > > > > even to an office 20 miles farther from her house).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Quite frankly...there are reasons why the STATISTICAL AVERAGE for
> > > > > > > women's pay is so much lower than men...they refuse to go to the
> > > > > > > same lengths that men will to *EARN* it'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Unlike you, most women have *lives* outside of work, and don't want to
>spend
> > > > > > every waking hour chasing the all mighty dollar.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, you admit that women do NOT provide equal work.
> > > > >
> > > > > GAME
> > > > > SET
> > > > > MATCH
> > > > >
> > > > > > J
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have to agree with Aaron here (did I just say that?)... yeah I don't
> > >
> > > Be carefeul, Brent.
> > >
> > > If you pay attention, you'll discover that I'm MUCH more in tune
> > > with what's really going on than what you suspected.
> > >
> > > > want to spend 12 hours a day at work. But I'm not going to go around
> > > > whining if I get passed up for a raise/promotion. If I really want it,
> > > > I'll do what's necessary... or maybe I'll decide that I'd rather spend
> > > > my life enjoying the moment.
> > > >
> > > > Still, *modern* feminism is about whining and not really accepting
> > > > responsibility for your actions. In the capitalist system you're worth
> > > > what you negotiate... and we're at a point in time where women do not
> > > > face widespread discrimination. There may be exceptions to the rule but
> > > > by and large that's the truth.
> > > >
> > > > The men and women I see for the most part deserve what they are getting.
> > > > Actually there was a case at my company where a guy was fired because he
> > > > did what his female supervisor wanted. He did what she told him to do,
> > > > she was an incompetent (who among other things wanted us to flush the
> > > > operating system from the mainframe I work on... idiot) and what he did
> > > > caused damage on the client's computer. She blamed him because he was a
> > > > Puerta Rican, and she knew she could get away with it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > - Brent
> > > >
> > > > http://rotten168.home.att.net
> >
> > I never doubted it for a second and if you cleaned up your act you'd be
> > a force to be reckoned with.
> >
> > Well, if you want to live for the moment (like I do) and not work 12
> > hours a day than you'll have to live with the fact that other people
> > will make more than you. I don't make as much as a dude I work with
> > does, I am still a full-time student. Actually he makes about 5$ an hour
> > more than me. Difference is... he gives a shit. I don't. It's just a
> > place where I can go and be arrogant and obnoxious and get away with
> > it... as well as pick up a check. As soon as I graduate I'll be out of
> > there... while he won't. I don't complain... he makes more than me, but
> > more is expected out of him.
> >
> > *Modern* feminism is in the business of whining and complaining and
> > making up crisis. Part of the romance of "living for the moment" is that
> > you have to accept the consequences of it as well. Otherwise it'd be so
> > easy that it wouldn't take any courage doing it... and everyone would do
> > it.
>
> Modern feminism decries "the patriarchy", and then whines for
> it to come back and clean up her diapers, because she still hasn't
> learned to shit in the toilet.
Jesus man, do you really have to be that crude?
Be careful Aaron, not all women are like that, I wouldn't even say the
majority. There is a tiny minority of shrill man-haters who make the
rest look bad.
Have you ever seen numbers on how many contemporary women give a shit
about feminism? The overwhelming majority couldn't care less about
Steinhem, because the ones that have the talent and heart to go get what
they want and the rest are just whiners who somehow end up in academia
or on the news.
Don't make blanket statements about all women. Don't make that mistake.
> > --
> > - Brent
> >
> > http://rotten168.home.att.net
>
> --
--
- Brent
http://rotten168.home.att.net
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