Linux-Advocacy Digest #336, Volume #35 Sun, 17 Jun 01 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping)
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell" ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping)
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Windows makes good coasters ("Stephen S. Edwards II")
Re: Is Linux for me? ("Ian Pegel")
Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: The Win/userbase! (Donn Miller)
Re: The Win/userbase! (Donn Miller)
Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts getting
good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!) (Tuomo Takkula)
Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?) ("JS \\ PL")
Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows (LShaping)
Re: Windows makes good coasters (Donn Miller)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Dennis Ritchie -- He Created Unix, But Now Uses Microsoft Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:08:43 -0400
drsquare wrote:
>
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 16:21:14 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> (T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
>
> >Said drsquare in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13:37
> >>On Thu, 14 Jun 2001 22:49:44 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> >> (Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >>
> >>>drsquare wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> I've just downloaded that, and I'll install it when I can get all the
> >>>> dependencies and conflicts worked out. That's the good thing about
> >>>> Windows, you just download the installation programs and install it,
> >>>> you don't have to bother about all the dependencies and package
> >>>> conflicts etc.
> >>>
> >>>Unless the installation program replaces some key Windows DLLs
> >>>or mungs some Registry entry.
> >>
> >>Never happened with me. [...]
> >
> >Your lack of experience is uncompelling.
>
> Lack of experience? I've installed more programs than you've had hot
> dinners.
and....your point is?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:52:58 GMT
"Nik Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >"LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>
>> >> My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows settings
>> >> are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in
>> >> certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical
>> >> problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use my
>> >> computer's power switch to do so.
>>
>> >That's not Windows fault, it's to do with the ACPI BIOS I believe.
>>
>> And what entity dictated that standard?
>
>Uh, Intel.
Uh, provide a citation.
Microsoft dictates to iNtel, not the other way around.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:25:39 -0700
"LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I knew this was going to happen. When I saw the "When I press the
> power button on my computer" option in Windows Millennium "Power
> Options" I knew that it was going to malfunction. Hello Microsoft. I
May I ask exactly how it malfunctioned?
> use the power switch to shut down when Windows wont. Is there some
> logic in extending Windows dysfunctionallity to my computer's power
> switch? If I want to hasstle with Windows, isn't that what the Start
There is nothing wrong with using the power switch to initiate
a shutdown if one wishes to use it for such purposes.
It's also possible to do so on the Macintosh. Sometimes,
it can be convenient when you're in a hurry.
> >> Shut Down... path is for? Thanks to Microsoft for extending
> Windows slimey tenticles to my power supply. I can't wait to find out
> what "PCHealth" is going to do to my other hard disk partitions.
*sigh*
I find it quite amazing that we live in an age where
people actually complain about convenience. Go fig.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux inheriting "DLL Hell"
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 10:31:08 -0700
"Jon Johansan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3b2a1c7a$0$789$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, "DLL Hell" is no longer a valid concept or issue in Windows 2000 or
> XP. Looks like that legacy has been taken up by linux - taken from the
front
> page of Linux Weekly News (http://www.lwn.net/):
>
> "gnucash 1.6 and the dependency nightmare
>
> gnucash is perhaps the prime example of shared library dependency hell.
The
> executable requires no less than 60 different shared libraries, all, of
> course, with the right version."
>
> I'm sorry but... har! har! har!
>
> "Upgrading to GNOME 1.4 addresses many of those dependencies, but not all
of
> them."
>
> Sure, just upgrade
>
> "Dealing with the rest has proved tricky, even for people who are
accustomed
> to this sort of problem. "
And yet, whenever I mention to the penguinistas that
Linux's lack of a centralized development model will
be its undoing, they get all up in arms.
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:55:52 GMT
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>LShaping wrote:
>>
>> >> "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> >so disable windows drivers for ACPI.
>> >> >if it can't use them it can't control them.
>>
>> Thanks for the lead. I disabled ACPI and APM in the BIOS. I do not
>> use Windows power management since it is dysfunctional, always has
>> been. In the most advanced consumer version of Windows (Millennium),
>> it shuts off my monitor while I am watching Internet TV.
>> :o/
>> After doing the BIOS, Emmy redetected the system devices. Then I
>> reinstalled the video card drivers and disabled the VIA ACPI device in
>> Control Panel. That should do it. If not, I will take your lead
>> farther.
>> C ya,
>> LShaping
>
>Ouch! There is your problem... VIA.
You are clueless! Whether Windows unconditionally sends a shut down
signal to the mainboard has nothing to do with the chipset maker.
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:01:06 -0700
"LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Street) wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 22:33:54 GMT, "Chad Myers"
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >>news:o4RW6.16849$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>> Well, do so. Press the button for 5 seconds. That's the way it's
designed.
>
> Try bottom posting, Erik. It will help with your problem trying to
> follow a conversation.
> >>
> >>I believe with ACPI 2.x compliant BIOSes, you can configure what the
power
> >>button does. I've seen several systems where you can have it act as
sleep
> >>mode, hibernate, or act like an old fashioned power button.
>
> Of course that is true.
> >>
> >>But in all cases, holding it for 3-5 seconds will shut it down, no
questions
> >>asked.
>
> Wrong. You might want to refresh the little you know about the
> subject.
How is he "wrong" if that is how it behaves on his
motherboard? I have all kinds of options that I
can set both in AMIBIOS and in Windows 2000 to alter
the behavior of the power switch.
> >Correct. On my box you can configure it either way - an instant off,
> >or momentry press to go power save - depress to go power off.
>
> Old information which is irrelevant since Windows is taking over the
> process.
Uh, how is Windows taking over a process which is
dictated specifically by the BIOS settings above
all else? Are you suggesting that Windows 2000
can do things that the hardware will not allow it
to do? That is quite amusing.
> >What people dont realise is that the button on the front isn't the
> >power button. That's typically at the back where the power cable plugs
> >in. The power "button" just sends a signal to the board, saying - "hey
> >- someones pressed the button? Whaddya want to do?"
>
> You definitely should not be giving others advice on this subject.
I would say that of you.
> The personal computer power switch, a single switch, on the front has
> always been hard wired to the power supply until recent AGP
> mainboards. How anyone would not know that much is amazing.
How anyone would not know that such motherboards
are called "ATX" motherboards, and not "AGP
mainboards" is amazing.
8<SNIP>8
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:11:00 -0700
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:09:00
> >"Marc Schlensog" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Charlie Ebert wrote:
> >> [Snipped]
> >> > Microsoft has NO SUCH CAPABILITY. Microsoft is totally
> >> > limited to the spectrum of the ALPHA and the IBM PC/INTEL
> >> > arena.
> >>
> >> IIRC, there is only x86 left, that's actively being supported
> >> by M$. AXP-support ceased to exist beginning with WNT4.0 SP5 or6.
> >
> >That's correct. I think there is an AXP SP6, but I may be wrong.
> >
> >This has nothing to do with their "CAPABILITY", but everything
> >to do with marketing and sales. If either determined tomorrow
> >that there was strong demand for a PPC version of NT or Windows 2000,
> >they could probably have one tomorrow as they've demonstrated it's
> >not that difficult to do with the portable kernel design of NT/2K.
>
> Raving bullshit, Chad. Microsoft have shown themselves quite
> incompetent at dealing with any cross-platform support. The lack of
How exactly? Just because people were not purchasing
Alpha, PPC, or MIPS boxen to run WindowsNT because
they were way overpriced, and not significantly any
more powerful than modern ix86 boxen?
> "strong demand" is simply a reflection of the recognition that even if
> there were a demand, they couldn't pull it off. Point in fact, there is
> demand, and they don't fulfill it. There used to be an even stronger
There is a "demand" for Alpha systems? From where exactly?
The only places I see Alpha boxes employed are for applications
such as 3D animation and visualization, and those are very
specialized applications. Why should Microsoft dump money
into a platform that barely anyone uses?
> demand, which is why they tried to make NT multi-platform to begin with,
> and even had an Alpha version. It bombed, because it was crap.
No, it bombed, because nobody was purchasing Alpha systems,
you twit.
In fact, architectures like MIPS never sold well at all outside
of SGI's market, simply because MIPS arches have very fscking
stupid limitations such as limiting applications to only 2GB
of RAM, and so forth.
> But to this day the sock puppets claim long and loud that Windows can
> support non-Intel platforms; a blatant lie at this point.
If it was a lie, then why does WindowsNT v4.0 run on
MIPS, PPC, and Alpha, as well as ix86? The ports were
done, but nobody was purchasing hardware for them to
run on. The fact of the matter is, Microsoft went where
there was money to be made, which is what any
self-respecting corporate body would do.
To do otherwise would be incredibly stupid.
Once again, proof that philosophers are anything
but "logical".
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From: "Stephen S. Edwards II" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 11:16:39 -0700
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Nik Simpson wrote:
> > >
> > Of course not, the graphics card is the thing that's going to display
the
> > console and there is no concept of a serial port login, so no graphics
card,
> > no boot.
>
> How did it work in the days before there were graphics cards?
On the PC, there never were any days where there were
no graphics cards. PCs were designed for people who
needed to "see" everything, whereas the geeks in the
white coats were knowledgable enough to understand
what the little blinking lights on mainframe systems
actually meant.
<nostalgia>
I can remember when Hercules came out with one of their
first graphics display adapters for PCs... ANSI graphics
were no longer the limit. Whoohoo!
</nostalgia>
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From: "Ian Pegel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Linux for me?
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 19:11:49 +0100
> > Windows IE is a much better browser.
> Crap, its a matterof personal prefference.
Spelling apart, you ask anyone who has spent any time developing web pages
which is the best web browser! Netscape has to be one of the most useless
pieces of software ever made. It's buggy and horrible. I loathe and detest
it!
You can take a couple of hours to get your pages working in IE and then have
to spend a day altering everything to fit in with Navigator's warped view.
Having to consider the needs of the Neanderthals who cling to such an
outdated program as a petty means of getting back at Bill is like constantly
having one hand tied behind ones back.
err... that's it really
Ian
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why homosexuals are no threat to heterosexuals
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:15:12 -0400
jet wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > jet wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > jet wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > "You've got MALE.. sex organs!" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Translation:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > AARON is a closet homosexual, which is why he makes such a big
> deal
> > > > > > > about trying to distance himself from it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh yes, the old fag "anyone who opposes us is secretly one of us"
> > > routine.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There's a reason nobody ever believes that, fag..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Perhaps this is why he never gets any sex.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do...with WOMEN.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does your mail order bride think about you having sex with
> WOMEN?
> > > >
> > > > False premise.
> > >
> > > YOU are the one who says you get sex with WOMEN. (See above.) Were you
> > > lying?
> >
> > The false premise is in the OTHER half of your sentance, shit-for-brains
>
> You're mail order bride doesn't think?
False premise.
There is no such thing as a mail-order anything, as NOBODY is allowed to
come into the United States via parcel post......restaurant whore.
> Well, she did end up with you.
>
> J
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
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K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:16:53 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Where's Tim McVeigh when you need him?
LOL. "Hey Tim, there's this big building in Redmond I want blown up."
Of course, I only mean this in a comic sense; it wouldn't be funny at
all in reality.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:19:00 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Win/userbase!
Charlie Ebert wrote:
> Yes Aaron. But we NEVER understimate the stupidity of
> the Erik Fuckenbusch.
Hmmm -- what nickname would you give PG?
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From: Tuomo Takkula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: European arrogance and ignorance... (was Re: Just when Linux starts
getting good, Microsoft buries it in the dust!)
Date: 17 Jun 2001 20:21:10 +0200
"Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Nick Condon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Stephen Edwards wrote:
> >
> > >No, I'm a proud Yank. And the very notion that
> > >a person should not be proud of his or her nation
> > >is absurd. Everyone should be proud of their
> > >heritage, and their home.
> >
> > Why? It's just where you born. It's not like you achieved anything. Your
> > parents fucked, and out you popped. It could have been anywhere. So just
> > keep that image in mind, next time you feel patriotic, just visualise your
> > father hunched over your mother. Which is all it comes down to, really.
>
> Well, I'm proud to be American.
>
> Strongest nation on earth. Others will surely balk at me, but who cares.
>
> We have the strongest economy, the strongest military, the best movies
> (hehe), we invented the light bulb, transistor, microprocessor, we started
> the Internet, and a whole bunch more.
>
> You can say what you want, but America rockz. That isn't to say that other
> nations don't rock also, but for different reasons.
>
> There is good in every nation... hey... my best friend is Australian, and my
> favorite beer is from Singapore.
>
> So just relax on this patriotic shit because there is good stuff everywhere
> and bad stuff everywhere.
>
> W2k rockz and linux suxors. Need I say more? :)
>
Sorry, but from this side of the Atlantic, the USA resemble more a
third world country in many respects, than the 'top of the world'...
Cheers
Tuomo
___
"Microsoft OS's are good because they encourage Intel to produce
faster CPUs for the rest of us to run Unix on."
George Dau
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From: "JS \\ PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The usual Linux spiel... (was Re: Is Open Source for You?)
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:24:37 -0400
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Ayende Rahien in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 15 Jun 2001
> >"Christopher L. Estep" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> [...]
> >> Microsoft has to write a completely different OS for Itanium because
> >*Intel*
> >> made a relevant and rational decision to leave IA-32 backward
> >compatibility
> >> out of Itanium altogether.
> >
> >No, they don't have to write a completely different OS.
> >NT is portable. So they don't need to write the whole thing from scratch.
> >*Yes*, they probably wouldn't be able to just re-compile it to IA-64.
> >But the amount of modifications that they need to do is minimal.
> >
> >I can assure you that the difference between x86 & ia-64 are smaller than
> >those between x86 & Alpha, PPC & MIPS.
>
> So why is IA-64 support for Windows taking so much longer than IA-64
> support in Linux?
>
> [unsnipped]
> >>Linux had to do the same thing (Itanium vs. IA-32).
> >>
> >>Not exactly news.
>
> Linux already did it. Windows is months or years behind. That sounds
> like news to me. You think people considering whether to use Microsoft
> software over the next few years will think it is news?
The only thing *months or years behind* seems to be YOU and your Win95
system.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/news/64bit.asp
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition and the Intel Itanium Processor, the Platform for
Technical Workstation Users
Windows XP 64-Bit Edition meets the demands of specialized, technical
workstation users who require large amounts of memory and floating point
performance. Get an overview of how it provides the speed technical
professionals need.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/news/64bit.asp
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From: LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: PC power switch wont shut down Windows
Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 18:10:01 GMT
GreyCloud <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>LShaping wrote:
>>
>> "green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Chris Street" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> On Sun, 17 Jun 2001 01:28:22 GMT, LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >LShaping <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>"Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>>"LShaping" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >
>> >> >>>> My computer's Basic Input/Output Service settings and Windows
>> >settings
>> >> >>>> are correct, as always. Microsoft has disabled the power switch in
>> >> >>>> certain circumstances in an effort to cope with Windows technical
>> >> >>>> problems. When I want to turn off my computer, I would like to use
>> >my
>> >> >>>> computer's power switch to do so.
>> >> >
>> >> >>>That's not Windows fault, it's to do with the ACPI BIOS I believe.
>> >> >
>> >> >>And what entity dictated that standard?
>> >> >
>> >> >Nevermind. Highly likely that was Microsoft's doing, but it does not
>> >> >matter. Windows could unconditionally send a shut down signal to the
>> >> >mainboard. Instead, Windows polls itself to see if shutting down is
>> >> >OK. I have a macroer running which has something to do with it. The
>> >> >same thing happens when I do Start - Shut Down. Probably has
>> >> >something to do with the macroer's hooks. But the system is
>> >> >controlled by the operating system. Therefore, it is Microsoft's
>> >> >fault. My computer is supposed to shut down when I tell it to. What
>> >> >would you think if you hit the power switch on your TV and for some
>> >> >internal reason, it failed to turn itself off? This is another fine
>> >> >example of blunderware from a monopoly OS maker whose only concern is
>> >> >increasing profits and keeping appearances.
>> >> >LShaping
>> >>
>> >> So employ the power switch. It's the rocker on the back next to the
>> >> power inlet. With an ATX board and a "power" switch that goes to the
>> >> motherboard, you are at the mercy of the BIOS, and the OS.
>>
>> Must have an IBM PC-XT, from over ten years ago. Modern personal
>> computers have only one power switch and typically do not have a
>> rocker switch on the back next to the power inlet. Not in the United
>> States.
>>
>
>
>My IBM has a nice red rocker switch on the back.
Provide a citation, a link to specifications of the power supply,
since your opinion is meaningless.
Microsoft slapped IBM so hard for wanting to include Smart Suite with
IBM desktop PCs, IBM has stopped making PCs. Enlight and Antec power
supplies have no such switch because, of course, before ATX mainboards
came along the power switch on the front was wired directly to the
power supply. Now, think for a minute. You cannot put two hardware
switches together without extra circuitry. Besides costing the maker
more, having two hardware switches wired to the same power supply
makes no sense.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 14:29:13 -0400
From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows makes good coasters
"Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> <nostalgia>
> I can remember when Hercules came out with one of their
> first graphics display adapters for PCs... ANSI graphics
> were no longer the limit. Whoohoo!
> </nostalgia>
Ah!!! Now I remember... I remember back in '93 and prior seeing a lot
of software that mentioned the Hercules video card. I had a trusty ATI
VGA-Wonder myself back then (aka the ATI 28000). Had 256k video ram.
Couldn't do squat with it.
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