On Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:21:54 GMT, "Alessio Sangalli"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Emil Naepflein writes:
>  
> 
> > I fully agree with you here. The use of such a software is certainly not
> > legal and is unethical.
> 
> certainly not? even if you put your *original* smartcard there? 

If you use a softcam there is no need for an *original* smartcard. 
What do you think, how many of the softcam users have an *original*
smartcard?

> 
> > It is nothing more than plain theft. If no one
> > pays for the program today than there will be no program in the future.
> 
> ??? we are not speaking about decode encrypted channels, BUT the need to buy 
> hardware cams: 200+ euros each one!!! 

We speak about the decoding of encrypted channels. You may be so ethical
and have an official subscriptions, but most are not. They just want to
view for free.

> 
> 
> > Arguments like saving money, more comfort, ... are just cheap excuses.
> 
> do you find money on the road to buy a cam for each one of your DVB-boards, 

Even if you have an official subscription you are not allowed to view or
record multiple channels at the same time. Read the contracts with the
subscription provider. 

> and for each one of your preferred bouquets? you can easily need 1000 euros 
> only for cams, to have a perfect system. with that money I could pay 
> satellite my providers for many years.
 
Such is life. You have to live with the restrictions given by law and
your income. This all is no excuse. Reread my example with the mercedes.

BTW, what subscription services do provide official subscriptions to you
beside the one in your home country?
Even if you have Cams you either break the terms of use in the contracts
or you are using hacked cards. Both is illegal.

> 
> why don't you buy a nokia satellite decoder with integrated hdd then, 
> instead of using VDR? 

I have a cam and an official PW subscription. And everything works fine.
As I don't want to pay for a second subscription there is no reason to
have a second CI.

> is in your opinion using VDR is a theft to traditional 
> decoders manufacturers? 

No. VDR is a legal use of DVB cards. It uses no illegal software.

> and moreover, do you think watching a DVD is ILLEGAL 
> and UNETHICAL using linux related software? 

Yes, because it breaks the copyright laws. I don't play DVDs under
Linux. For this I have a DVD player.

Whatever you come up with arguments, the fact is that the use of
software that is written by breaking civil or prosecution laws is
criminal. Decoding PayTV on one or more DVB cards with SoftCI is
illegal, even if you have a subscription.

You can do that. But you also should think about the consequences.

Just my 2 cents.

And keep the DVB and VDR list clean, please.

Emil 


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