hi,

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 11:15:29AM -0500, Alberto Alonso wrote:
> On Thu, 2013-03-14 at 16:26 +0100, Lars Marowsky-Bree wrote:
> > On 2013-03-14T09:44:11, "GGS (linux ha)" <support-linu...@ggsys.net> wrote:
> > 
> > That's fine. But the cluster software really assumes that only one
> > instance of it is running per server - said instance can then manage
> > multiple software stacks, though.
> 
> Got it. That's what I was asking.
> > 
> > No. Pacemaker allows resources and groups (probably the equivalent of
> > your "stacks") to be individually managed.
> > 
> > If you want to bring down pacemaker itself for maintenance, you'd detach
> > via maintenance mode, stop, update, restart, reattach.
> 
> I'll have to dig in deeper, it may be a possibility. We really
> would like to move away from the in-house built solution.
> > 
> > But there is a point where this matters, namely IO fencing/STONITH. In
> > case of a real server failure, you don't want 200+ independent fencing
> > processes to trigger.
> 
> Believe it or not, I would actually rather have the 200+
> fencing processes to trigger. But that is not a
> requirement. I just need to ensure failover completes
> within the allowed time.
> 
> > 
> > Yes. That's called multitasking/virtualization/cloud. We get that. ;-)
> 
> Multitasking yes, virtualization no, that's another discussion :-)
> > 
> > But just like you only have "one kernel" per physical server, you also
> > only have one cluster stack that then manages multiple stacks. We even
> > got ACLs so that you can grant people access to only the bits they're
> > allowed to manage, etc.
> > 
> > What you plan - running multiple heartbeat v1 setups on one node - will
> > not work reliably. Running multiple pacemaker instances per node/OS
> > image will not work either.
> 
> That's what I thought. The emails from 2009 seemed to indicate
> that it was possible to run multiple instances. 
> 
> I asked because I suspected that it really wasn't the case. Thanks
> for confirming it. I'll dig deeper into pacemaker and see how I
> can make it work for our use case.
> 
> One quick question on pacemaker. If I add a new stack, do I need
> to bring the old ones down (or fail them) to add it to pacemaker? 

No.

Thanks,

Dejan

> >From your comment above it seems that I wouldn't, but I just want 
> to make sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alberto
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> >     Lars
> > 
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