Again, you are putting it as if you are completely blocked and you cannot send mails at all. Can you please tell me how many of your mails were blocked due to this listing, and to how many unique destinations?
Only one person (Arik) complained about actual problem, and when I asked for information he disappeared. It seems you don't really want to solve anything, or suggest any feasible solutions. I ask again - do you think blocking port 25 completely is a good idea? Can you live with that? How many people in this list thinks it's a good idea? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Noam Rathaus Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:33 PM To: linux-il Subject: Re: Israeli ISP and Blacklisting [summary and stop] Hi, My last email on the subject :) As it appears that some people are pro-ISP, some are con-ISP, and I don't care which is which All I wanted to see, whether this is a global issue, apparently it is, more than one is willing to talk about it, I believe others simply don't know they are blacklisted, others have yet to be affected by it, and others more don't know they are affected. And me as the person wanting to send emails in a non-spam and legal way is left with the only alternative to move out his servers from Israel - specifically the mail server - as Israeli ISPs are RBLed - YES YES just one RBL and he is a bad bad RBL - which asks too many things - but apparently some ISPs agree to doing it. On Thursday 24 July 2008 15:58:42 you wrote: > On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Noam Rathaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > I am taking my "stuff" elsewhere, the ISP's responsibility is to provide > > > service, and it should be good service - meaning stopping others from > > abusing > > the network, which in turn is used against me - as I am blocked in an > > RBL. > > Let me suggest a radical idea. > > I think that it is a good thing that Israel will be blocked in as many RBLs > as possible. > > And here's why. For the people on this list, it's a big deal but not > critical. I put it to you that most companies will deal with it one way or > another, by tunneling their ways somehow. I can think of 10 ways right now. > > The people who will suffer are the "regular users", those who use the ISP > mailbox (gaaa!) and have zero technical knowhow. There are a lot of them, > which means that they will make a lot of noise. > > The ISPs will then become a relatively unregulated industry that apparently > doesn't work properly without regulation. It also has a status of a > quasi-essential infrastructure. I sincerely hope that the regulator will > step up to the plate and regulate the ISPs and what they need to do to > spammers, in an effort to make the infrastructure usable again. Maybe our > star will shine and we'll see some heavy-handed anti-spam law, especially > if the ISPs respond to regulation by saying the burden is too high because > spammers don't have an incentive to stop. > > So before you start flaming, consider this: Change only happen out of > necessity. The stronger the necessity - the swifter the change. Lithium-ion > batteries did not come to be before laptops and cellphones became a > commodity. Hybrid cars didn't become a reality before gas prices went so > high that people actually started buying them. And conversly, think of > Israel's desalination plants - how they come to be whenever there's a year > or two of draft, and then fall apart at the first sign of a rainy year. > > And since one of the participants in this discussion at least seems to work > for an ISP, the same ISP from which I get most of my Hebrew spam, the same > ISP from which spam contains the header of the ISP's own relay, and passes > SPF checks, the same ISP which gets messages to the abuse alias from me > every month and never responds (robots excluded) - I view your behaviour as > aiding and abetting the spammers. I have proof that the addresses the > spammers use could never have been gotten from me (heck my domain was > dictionary-attacked by them), and I hope that you get blacklisted as much > as possible. I also hope that your users leave you for this very reason and > that you fail financially, so the spammers have to find a less hospitable > environ. I wish this ruin on you because you are acting, in my personal > opinion, in bad faith and in cohorts with the sort of people who I would > like to see their activity as felonious. I hope that once the regulation > comes you will continue with your bad behaviour as to become the first test > case of disobeying the regulation and that you shall lose and become the > precedent for any other such case. You know who you are. > > -- Arik -- Noam Rathaus CTO [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.beyondsecurity.com "Know that you are safe." Beyond Security Finalist for the "Red Herring 100 Global" Awards 2007 ================================================================= To unsubscribe, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the word "unsubscribe" in the message body, e.g., run the command echo unsubscribe | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
