Linux-Misc Digest #511, Volume #18 Fri, 8 Jan 99 04:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can't have fetchmail working ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 2038 and Linux (Glen Turner)
Re: Printcap settings? (Michael Powe)
Personal SQL Database (Guy Delamarter)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: Encyclopaedia for Linux. (Tom Fawcett)
Re: Minicom Problem (William Burrow)
Re: newest devel kernel 2.3.0? (David Fox)
RPM for Tgif? (Norberto Eiji Nawa)
Re: glibc (Nicolas Trebst)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? (Jeremy Crabtree)
Re: Connection refused from remote X-Windows (David Efflandt)
need help istalling new ncurses ("Sergei Gerasenko")
Re: error with debian and ssi (David Efflandt)
Re: Book recommendation *please* ("Patrick Wray")
Re: Why I choose HP-UX over Linux (Mark Grosberg)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 7 Jan 1999 21:12:59 -0800
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>>
>>first, the cost is the last thing a home user will look at.
>
> bwahahaha...
>
> No, the first thing the 'home user' is gonna look
> at is is 'everyone else' using it.
>
> Then will come price.
Ok, this then does not contrdict what I said, which implies that price
is not what end user first looks at. You said what I said but in diffent way.
>
> Nope. Home users don't want MS bundleware because it's
> good, they want it because 'everyone else' is using it.
and everyone is using Window application becuase? aha! Marketing, right?
we have such a great office applications on Unix/Linux, but those
dam M$ Marketing people just wont let any one else on the streets know
about it!
Bob (call me Bill too).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Can't have fetchmail working
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 06:33:39 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Set up a user account for your self so you aren't running as route all
> the time. You can always su if you need to do something as route.
>
> Is sendmail or some other MTA running? Fetchmail needs an MTA to
> deliver your mail to you on the local host.
>
> Could you post a transcript of the fetchmail session?
>
> Your .fetchmailrc file looks ok as far as I can tell.
I know that now. About one hour after I posted the message I ran fetchmail in
verbose mode an found what was wrong. After that I just started sendmail an
everithing went fine.
Since I was using Netscape to read/send msgs I didn't care about seting up
sendmail in instalation. But it's runing now.
The only problem is sending mail, But this is my ISP's fault (the same ISP I
work for). Theyre system simply refuses to route mail from a host whitout a
valid domain name, and since I don't have a registered one, there's no way
for me to send a msg using sendmail, only an SMTP client such as Netscape or
KMail.
Thanks anyway.
Best regards,
Bento
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 17:26:11 +1030
From: Glen Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2038 and Linux
Andy Key wrote:
> What is the objection to declaring size_t as unsigned long?
It breaks existing code, as ANSI C says time_t is of an
integer type (that is, int or long) -- an "integer type"
does not include the "unsigned integer" types.
The ANSI C committee chose this to not break the then existing
object code libraries (as long and unsigned long can have
differing binary representations on some computer architectures).
Remember that the goal of the ANSI C committee was firstly
to codify existing practice. At the time there was a
lot of concern that introducing new features would "break"
C -- especially since introducing untested new features had
broken language standardisation efforts in the past --
notably ISO BASIC, but also PL/1 and ALGOL in previous eras.
The new standard's "long long" type will allow time_t to
be of type long long -- it's then a problem of introducing
this into i386 Linux without breaking applications, as we
will once again have incompatible libraries (a la libc/glibc).
But we also have thirty-odd years to do this, so we can let
this happen naturally -- that is, wait for ISO C90 compilers to
be developed, wait for them to become stable, wait for a
major library migration, and then change time_t's type.
People suggesting that the 2038 problem needs to be fixed now,
because it is somehow easier to fix as part of some sort of Y2K
effort are kidding themselves.
I fully expect the 2038 problem to be fixed on i386 Linux
with five years, and that no effort greater than the libc/glibc
migration will be needed for this to happen.
Thus in the year 2038 we will only have to worry about
Linux machines greater than 25 years old. Even embedded
computing systems tend not to be in service this long.
--
Glen Turner Network Specialist
Tel: (08) 8303 3936 Information Technology Services
Fax: (08) 8303 4400 The University of Adelaide 5005
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] South Australia
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From: Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Printcap settings?
Date: 07 Jan 1999 22:49:15 -0800
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>>>>> "GC" == GC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
GC> Hi, How do I set up a Canon BJC-210 printer under Linux. I've
GC> read that you have to configure the /etc/printcap file, but I
GC> don't know how. What driver do I need? How can I print from
GC> WordPerfect 8 for Linux? Do I just select the lp device? Right
GC> now when I select the lp device under WP8, all that the
GC> printer prints is a few lines of garbled text. I have to turn
GC> off the printer to stop the printing. But as soon as I turn it
GC> back on, it just continues printing garbled text non-stop.
Read the Printing-HOWTO.
The typical way to set up your printer is to install a filter. Check
out magicfilter, apsfilter, a2ps. They all work basically the same
way. lprm removes items from the queue. `man' lpq, lprm, lpr.
mp
8<---------------how-easy-is-it-to-demunge-an-address?------------------->8
#! /usr/bin/perl # if you are [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Another Luser):
while ($line = <>){ if ($line =~ m/^\s*$/ ){ last; }
if ($line =~ m/^From: (\S+) \(([^()]*)\)/){ $from_address = $1; } }
if ($from_address =~ m/\S+NOSPAM\S+/){ $x = index($from_address, NOSPAM);
substr($from_address, $x, 6+1) = ""; printf("The real address is %s\n",
$from_address);}else { printf("No munge, just plain %s\n",$from_address);}
printf("\nBrought to you by the Truth In Mail Headers Foundation\n");
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- --
Michael Powe
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
Portland, Oregon USA
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From: Guy Delamarter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux
Subject: Personal SQL Database
Date: 7 Jan 1999 17:57:14 GMT
Database help requested:
Most of the databases I have looked at with SQL and Java connectivity
appear to be built for being large scale database servers, usually for
web applications and are usually meant to be dedicated to a single
database or small set of databases in a single protected system
directory.
I would like to write some small applications for storing data in
database files in each user's directory for their own personal use.
I'd like to apply the power of SQL type queries, and use canned user
interfaces. Such an SQL engine may be used for several different
applications, so it will have to be pointed to application specific
database files on a user by user basis, but the SQL server program
could be the same.
Really what I want is a program like GDBM, but which has SQL
capability and can easily be used with Java.
Is there a free solution out there for this?
Thanks,
Guy Delamarter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:25:57 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
[SNIP]
>
>>
>> Nope. Home users don't want MS bundleware because it's
>> good, they want it because 'everyone else' is using it.
>
>and everyone is using Window application becuase? aha! Marketing, right?
Wrong, bundling. It was installed on their computer when they bought it. They
didn't ask for it, Microsoft "gave" it to them. Remember, PC users choose MS,
MS chose them. (and IBM chose MS, because of the very laws that MS is now
whining about.)
(Also, since MS doesn't let OEMs show the price of their software as a
separate item on the bill, nobody really knows what they are paying for this)
[SNIP]
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself the
difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts that are
not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Encyclopaedia for Linux.
Date: 07 Jan 1999 12:59:03 -0500
M Emmerson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm very pleased with my version of Encyclopaedia Brittanica (EB) '98 for
> MS Windows, but am rather less pleased with MS Windows itself. I spend
> 98% of my computer time running Linux on my laptop and would really love
> to have access to an encyclopaedia on it.
>
> So...
>
> 1) Does anyone know of any encyclopaedia versions that run under Linux?
The only thing I know of is a text-only interace to Grolier's Encyclopedia
(LSM entry below). Good encyclopedia and dictionary interfaces are
definitely lacking for Linux.
As for the Encyclopaedia Brittanica, I recall a few years ago hearing an
interview in which a spokesperson argued that the EB couldn't be (or
*shouldn't* be) put on a CD-ROM. I don't think they're on the forefront of
technology. I wouldn't expect them to include Linux support until most of
their competitors did.
-Tom
==================================================================
Begin3
Title: text only viewer of the date of the GROLIER Encyclopedia
(source )
Version: 0.3
Entered-date: 22 Augustus 1997
Description: simple textonly viewer of the data of the 96 GROLIER
Encyclopedia. Is faster, works under linux and dos, has
source code available, and hides the distracting and often
disturbing images. When you don't want to generate the
indexfiles yourself you can take ency-0.3b.common.tgz
Keywords: encyclopedia, grolier, text, viewer, ency, source
Author: Jaap Korthals Altes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
(Previously known as Leon Meryon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>)
Maintained-by: Jaap Korthals Altes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Primary-site: http://village.cyberbrain.com/anpe/jkaltes/ency
670kB ency-0.3.src.tar.gz
750B ency-0.3.src.lsm
Platforms: linux or go32 (dos) gme96.src of 96 GROLIER Encyclopedia
Copying-policy: MIT
End
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Minicom Problem
Date: 7 Jan 1999 17:59:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 16:45:15 -0500,
james w. beauchamp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have just installed RH 5.2 on a spare P100 w/32 meg RAM and two hard
>drives. I am playing with Linux to try and get it working as a mail server.
>My problem is with Minicom and my old Intel 14.4 external modem. When I go
>into Minicom and try to dial, initialize, etc. nothing appears to happen.
>And here is where it gets weird, when I exit Minicom the screen hangs for a
>minute and then the modem begins to try and dial. i.e. goes OH, HS, and you
>hear the modem take the line.
It is possible you have an IRQ conflict. Check /proc/interrupts.
--
William Burrow, VE9WIL -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Subject: Re: newest devel kernel 2.3.0?
Date: 07 Jan 1999 10:05:27 -0800
Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) writes:
>
> > Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > where is the newest devel kernel 2.3.0? i see 2.2.0pre4 is out but
> > > where do i go for the bleeding edge?
> >
> > 2.2.0pre4 is the bleeding edge. If you were really on the bleeding
> > edge you'd know that. :-)
>
> i knew that. i just forgot my smiley.
Now I get it!
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Norberto Eiji Nawa)
Subject: RPM for Tgif?
Date: 08 Jan 1999 06:12:12 GMT
Hello,
Does anyone know if there is a RPM for the graphic app Tgif?
I would be very grateful if you could point me to the URL, or to any
other information. (I could not find it at the obvious place, the ftp
site of RedHat.)
Thanks a lot in advance!
Eiji (I would be even more grateful if you could also email me
directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED], as I do not usually
follow this NG.)
--
Norberto EIJI Nawa - M.Eng. student - Uchikawa Laboratory
Dept. of Information Engineering - Graduate School of Engineering
Nagoya University - Furo-cho, Chikusa-ku, Nagoya 464-8603, JAPAN
phone: +81-52-789-2793 - fax: +81-52-789-3166
http://www.bioele.nuee.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~eiji
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From: Nicolas Trebst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glibc
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 1999 19:05:06 +0100
Bamrung Somswasdi wrote:
>
> Hi there!
>
> I want to try StarOffice 5.0, but
> I'm afraid of installing glibc2, am I
> reasonable?
>
> :)
No. I installed the glibc-files under the SO5-tree (they suggest that)
and left everything else untouched. Works fine. I don't use it
extensively, though :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
* Nicolas Trebst
* e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
*
* *** In a world without fences, who needs Gates? ***
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Crabtree)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:49:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeremy Crabtree allegedly wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly wrote:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>
>[SNIP]
>
>>
>>>
>>> Nope. Home users don't want MS bundleware because it's
>>> good, they want it because 'everyone else' is using it.
>>
>>and everyone is using Window application becuase? aha! Marketing, right?
>
>Wrong, bundling. It was installed on their computer when they bought it. They
>didn't ask for it, Microsoft "gave" it to them. Remember, PC users choose MS,
^
didn't
(OOPS!)
>MS chose them. (and IBM chose MS, because of the very laws that MS is now
>whining about.)
>
>(Also, since MS doesn't let OEMs show the price of their software as a
> separate item on the bill, nobody really knows what they are paying for this)
>
>[SNIP]
--
"Being myself a remarkably stupid fellow, I have had to unteach myself the
difficulties, and now beg to present to my fellow fools the parts that are
not hard" --Silvanus P. Thompson, from "Calculus Made Easy."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Connection refused from remote X-Windows
Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:01:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 6 Jan 1999 20:35:56 -0500, Jim Orfanakos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I am using X-Win32 on a Win95 PC trying to connect to a RedHat 5.1 system.
>Whenever I try to start an X application I get connection refused after I
>enter my userid and password. I tried rsh as well as rexec.
>
>If I telnet in, then start the application sending it back to the remote pc
>via "-display" it works. If log in directly to the RedHat 5.1 server and
>send the application back to the remote pc via "-display" it works.
>
>I have open the system up in /etc/securetty and /etc/security/access.conf
>but no luck.
>
>Any Ideas?
You don't mention if you used xhost. See 'man xhost'. Some people
recommend a more secure method, but this should do for a home or office
LAN.
>Thanks.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
> Jim Orfanakos
> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/djo3
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
>
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: "Sergei Gerasenko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: need help istalling new ncurses
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 1999 11:00:17 -0500
Thanks to everybody replied to my previous message. But I have another
problem now. Once again, I have Redhat Lunix 5.0 (kernel 2.0.32). I'm trying
to upgrade my old ncurses (1.9) to a new version of that library, namely
ncurses-4_1-12_i386. Is there a painless way to do it? Seems like some
programs like mc or telnet are dependant on the old library and when I
removed it all of them stopped working, which resulted in reinstalling
Linux. How do I upgrade the library correctly?
Thanks,
Sergei
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: error with debian and ssi
Date: 8 Jan 1999 07:11:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:38:47 +1030, Kingsley Foreman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>im trying to use ssi in debian and i keep getting the message
>my htaccess file is this
>Options ExecCGI Includes MultiViews
>AddType application/x-httpd-cgi cgi
>AddHandler server-parsed .shtml
>AddType text/html .shtml
>
>
>[warn] handler "server-parsed" not found
In srm.conf example the AddType comes before the AddHandler. Maybe those
two lines need to be swapped, so it knows what mime type .shtml is first.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.xnet.com/~efflandt/
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From: "Patrick Wray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Book recommendation *please*
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 18:56:36 +1100
Philip Denny wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I bought Slakware Linux Unleased a few months ago and it's allright, but
>it's indexing leaves a lot to be desired and there are yawning holes
>elsewhere. I spend a lot of time in HOWTOs, FAQs and mans but still want
>a decent reference/tutor that _isn't_ based on any one distribution.
>(And yes, I have read the booklist HOWTO, ta).
Try "Hands-On Linux" by Mark Sobell. It's well written, thorough in its
coverage, doesn't assume you know anything, but doesn't insult your
intelligence. Best I've seen so far.
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From: Mark Grosberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why I choose HP-UX over Linux
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 08:36:26 GMT
hamid misnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Gee, I thought HP-UX should come free with any HP machine? ie you dunnot
> need to pay for HP-UX license. (Well, that what I was told when I bought
> HP9000 years ago).
Well, I have an HP 710/50 at home along with a 486-66 linux box. My HP
came with HP-UX installed. Other than having to install some patches it
has worked quite well as an X server and compile machine. The Linux box is
the router and a general workhorse (and file server since SCSI disks are
still too damn expensive).
HP-UX makes a great X server for me (my Linux box has no monitor). It is
also a nice workstation and runs Netscape well. The Linux box gets the
compile jobs and my friends log into that. In actuality, they complement
each other very nicely -- much nicer than Microsoft operating systems.
L8r,
Mark G.
- At home: HP-UX, Linux, NeXTStep/68K, Solaris/Sparc, Amiga, Mac.
Love em all.
- At work: Windows NT.
I would rather shoot myself than use this OS.
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