Linux-Misc Digest #527, Volume #18 Sat, 9 Jan 99 02:13:10 EST
Contents:
Where is urw-fonts-1.1 (ghostscript 5.10)? (David Guertin)
Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march? ("T.J. Rowe")
.bz2 ? (Sankara Gara)
glibc vs. libc5 ("Hugh")
Backup strategies (Ken)
Re: Should /sbin:/usr/sbin be in a user's path stupid argument (Leslie Mikesell)
Point of Sale (POS) Solutions? ("Jason P. Stanford")
Re: How do I partition a large HD under Redhat 5.2? (Darrin Hodges)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeremy Mathers)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jeremy Mathers)
Which version of Xfree86 3.3.3 should I download? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux drivers for Canopus TOTAL 3D (Johan Kullstam)
Blender for Linux Alpha (Ton Roosendaal)
Re: man pages and Texinfo (Mark Brown)
Scanner on parallel port (HOW) (Gene Markozen)
Re: RPM seg faults... any ideas? (Kevin Currie)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
PPP and BellAtlantic.net (Frank Hale)
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From: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Where is urw-fonts-1.1 (ghostscript 5.10)?
Date: 08 Jan 1999 12:55:16 -0500
Reply-To: David Guertin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hello,
I've recently downloaded and installed the Ghostscript 5.10 RPM.
It says that it requires the package urw-fonts >= 1.1. But the
most recent RPM I can find at ftp.redhat.com or with rpmfind is
urw-fonts-1.0. Searches on the Web turned up nothing.
Where else might I find the urw-fonts-1.1 RPM or tar.gz file?
Thanks,
--
Dave Guertin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "T.J. Rowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux: Fight for survival or on victory march?
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:05:31 -0700
I agree completely that Linux is strong in networking (LANs, webservers,
whatever), and it will remain strong for a long time. However, when it
comes to any kind of mass market for the common desktop user and workstation
user, it just doesn't cut it. I believe the main reason for this is not
actually how difficult it is to use (for there are a lot of people out there
who do understand that Linux really does make sense to semi-computer
literate people), but rather it's hardware support, or more precisely, lack
thereof. The case is simple, right now my install of RH Linux 5.0 won't
support simple commonly used hardware that I have, such as chaining my Zip
drive and printer together, I have to reboot and use them individually.
Also, my USR 56K faxmodem is jumperless Pnp, so without going to great
lengths of trouble, I can't really use it. Furthermore, (now I know this is
a little more controversial, as I'm sure many have made it work), X windows
has all sorts of problems with my Diamond Viper 330 video card. The common
user is not going to want to hear the popular Unix phrase "To make it work
you have to recompile the kernel." That will scare many, many away. Now,
that isn't even to start with the latest technologies such as USB and
Firewire. The key problem here is simple lack of support for these, as most
companies don't even consider Linux/Unix drivers. For example, on the
Diamond Viper drivers page, is lists all the drivers for the Windows OSes,
but when it gets to Unix/Linux, it says something like "does anyone know of
any drivers available?" Diamond themselves don't even have the driver for
Unix and Linux. The point: unless manufacturers of the latest technologies
jump onboard the Linux fad (and make no mistake, the sudden burst of
popularity can certainly be defined as a fad), the common user will not
choose to sacrifice the latest greatest hardware, no matter how great Linux
is.
Verbal Kent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>Linux rules, Linux Sucks,
>
> Before everyone goes yelping on the Linux Band wagon, and downs
>MS Windows, Linux has about as much shot as taking out MS (whatever), as
>hell freezing over! I use both win98 and Linux, and I tell you now,
>these 2 oses serve 2 distinct purposes, for power users, "hackers",
>Linux, is on par with Windows NT, but if you give Linux to My mom she
>wouldn't know what the hell to do, cause half of the time I don't know
>what the hell to do in Linux!!! Windows 98 is not a bad product it
>covers the ins and outs of its market base, very well, I plug in a modem
>it works, I plug in a sound card it works, on most occasions! You try
>the same thing in Linux, and yeah right, worx my ass! You've got to go
>reconfigure this, and that, compile this and that, and worst case
>scenario there isn't a driver for your product, in which case you'll
>have to go pick a Linux Device Driver book, which I have done, and if
>you can write a driver that works, the gods have blessed you!!!!! or
>even worse yet pay someone to write it for you, or you might get lucky
>and someone has already done so!!! Now I'll take an IRQ conflict in
>windows, any day over this, well not really cause I enjoy stuff like
>that! On the otherhand, if your writing perl programs, or running a web
>server, and such Linux kicks ass! For those of you who need a finally
>tuned machine, of course, Linux is the move, but if you want to Play
>Games and AOL is your bag, I'd pick Win98 hands down! All, and all, I
>see Linux as being a definite threat to NT's server/work station market,
>but it has a long way to go to threatening, if ever, MS's consumer
>market!
>
>
>
>
>
>aldev wrote:
>>
>> Linux Marketing?? Ofcourse here is the web page for it.
>>
>> Main site is at -
>> http://members.spree.com/technology/aldev/
>> Mirror sites are at -
>> http://aldev.webjump.com
>> http://homepages.infoseek.com/~aldev1/index.html
>> http://aldev. 8m. com (remove spaces in-between)
>>
>> Corporations need to read the 'Salient Features of Linux' which tells
why
>> Linux is better than Windows and other operating systems.
>>
>> Please visit, bookmark & suggest this site to one and ALL
>> Also please webhost it on your intranet, internet and promote/propagate
>> everywhere!
>>
>> al dev
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I wonder if there is scope for, say, students studying marketing to do
with
>> > marketing Linux what the Linux community has done with developing
Linux. I
>> > have in mind a project on the WEB that would help develop the sort of
>> > marketing material and expertise needed by companies to sell the system
into
>> > corporates. A rather vague notion, but I think that the OSS model can
>> > actually extend a lot furhter than OSS itself: Collaboration is a very
useful
>> > learning and development tool. There are many disciplines covering
everything
>> > from advertising to project management that could perhaps benefit from
an
>> > online collaboration and it seems to me that Linux is the perfect
product to
>> > collaborate around.
>> >
>> > Just a thought.
>> >
>> > Brad
>> >
>> > -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
>> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: Sankara Gara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: .bz2 ?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 00:11:04 -0600
How to uncompress .bz2 files. Thanks!
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From: "Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: glibc vs. libc5
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:06:03 -0600
I'm new. What is the difference between the two?
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Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:54:00 -0800
From: Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backup strategies
How do I back up a Linux system?
I'm coming back to Unix after a long stretch on OS/2. I administered
SunOS4 a few years ago and I'm now adding a Linux (RH 5.2) server to my
LAN. It will have an HP SureStore DDS3 (12/24gb) DAT drive and the disks
will be RAID 1 mirrored.
Is there a "safe" way to back up Linux with the system running? As I
recall, when backing up my Sun systems it was recommended that I take
them down to single-user.
The system isn't normally used between midnight and 6 am.
--
Ken
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.well.com/user/shiva/
http://sewnsurf.home.ml.org/
http://www.e-scrub.com/cgi-bin/wpoison/wpoison.cgi (Death to Spam!)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Should /sbin:/usr/sbin be in a user's path stupid argument
Date: 9 Jan 1999 00:06:24 -0600
In article <774vim$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 1) Take the sbin directories out of your "normal user" login's PATH.
> 2) Put traceroute, or a symlink to it, where it belongs in /usr/bin.
> 3) Make an alias in your profile: "alias ifconfig='/sbin/ifconfig'"
>
>You might consider using an alias for number 2 also if correcting errors
>in the distribution bothers you, though that is not a good answer if
>you have multiple users.
Changing your own PATH isn't difficult. People who can't manage
to do that by themselves probably shouldn't be encouraged to
run very many of the things in /sbin.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Jason P. Stanford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Point of Sale (POS) Solutions?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:21:27 -0500
I have been asked to look into whether there is a Linux + Win (or
possibly just Linux) solution for a small retail business. This store
currently has one location and will be opening a second one by the end
of the first quarter. Their current setup includes several Wintel PC's
running a DOS-based POS system in a DOS window. This has been working
ok, but it is limited to five stations, does not have an integrated
general accounting, payroll, etc program. It is only the inventory and
register functions.
Because of the second store opening, they are wondering what their
options are. I am not an expert in these types of integrated systems,
but I am pretty familiar with both Linux and WinNT. Is there such a
software system that would allow the second location to connect to a
server at the first (say via a 56k modem or two, using PPP or SLIP) to
access it's database, while running the POS/accounting software? Where
should I begin to look?
I felt that a Linux solution would serve them best because of its
reliability, networking, inexpensiveness, and customability. Please
help! Thanks!
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From: Darrin Hodges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: How do I partition a large HD under Redhat 5.2?
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 03:45:17 +1100
Ilya wrote:
>
> How do I partition a large HD under Redhat 5.2? By that, I mean
> how many partitons do I make and how big do I make them. the HD
> is 9.1GB.
>
> Please post.
Depends on what the box will be used for, if it just a desktop you
might just need a swap directory and the rest as /.
If its a server of some kind, you might want to create mount points
for /var /usr and maybe /home as well as a swap partition.
----
darrin hodges [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Speak! You have a civil tongue in your head. I know
you have because I sewed it back in there myself!"
(I Was a Teenage Frankenstein, 1957)
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:37:50 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Larry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Jan 1999 07:24:11 -0800, Steven C. Den Beste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
...
>I don't know anyone personally that uses windows that doesn't complain
>of this problem. in fact i finally had to remove winblows from my wifes
>computer because it locked up so often.
>
>I have had the built in screen saver lock up machines at work just
>by activating themselves when the machines were left idle.
>Windows is the most unstable operating system on the market, and no amount
>of denying this fact can make it not so.
You have to ask yourself if it matters. Again, it is perception.
Most users have no concept of the idea that an OS shouldn't crash at
least once a day. Really, they just don't care. And its not like
they are ever doing anything particularly critical anyway.
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeremy Mathers)
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:43:03 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andy Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
>> The thing you have to keep in mind when interpreting the Clinton polls
>> is that 85% of the population doesn't know what impeachment is.
>>
>> Seriously, the same polls that find these ridiculously high approval
>> numbers for Clinton also find that only 15% of those surveyed don't
>> think that impeachment == removal from office.
>
>
>Excuse me if I am missing something but what does this have to do with
>Linux?
Nothing, of course. And, yes, in fact, I am reading this in a Linux
newsgroup.
But just as all apps expand to eventually include email, so do all
threads on the Usenet eventually expand to talking about Clinton.
And it's no good saying that that only applies in the US and that you,
as a UK resident, don't care, because I have found that foreigners
(not that there is anything wrong with that...), especially those in
other English speaking countries (e.g., Australia) are as up or moreso
on American gossip than we are. I heard more about Bill and Monica
when I was in Oz than I ever do here in the States.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Which version of Xfree86 3.3.3 should I download?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:17:16 GMT
Help!
I am very new to Linux and I have discovered that my video card (STB nVIDIA
TNT) requires Xfree86 3.3.3 in order to run correctly on my Intel box. When
I attempted to find the appropriate file to download from xfree86.org's FTP
server, I was given these 2 versions to pick from:
* binaries/Linux-ix86-libc5/ binaries for Linux on Intel hardware
(Most Linux users should use the Linux-ix86
binaries. They are for ELF libc 5.x. The older
a.out libc 4.x is no longer supported. If you
have libc 6 (GNU libc) you should use the
Linux-ix86-glibc binaries.)
* binaries/Linux-ix86-glibc/ binaries for Linux on Intel hw (with glibc)
Is the file I need one of these, or am I way off? I have Red Hat 5.2. I
know I need to use the XF86_SVGA server, but I am lost. If anyone could help
me find the correct file to download I would greatly appreciate it.
Thanks in advance.
============= Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ============
http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.install
Subject: Re: Linux drivers for Canopus TOTAL 3D
Date: 08 Jan 1999 12:59:11 -0500
"Billy Bob" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I know that Red Hat linux 5.2 supports Diamond viper 330 with RIVA chipset.
> Howcome it doesn't support the canopus TOTAL 3D with the same RIVA
> chipset???
did you try the driver for the diamon viper on your canopus total?
did it work? if not, i guess there is some difference?
> I paid US $ 230 for this card and Linux doesn't suppport it ??
correction, you paid $230 and canopus doesn't support linux??
> why ? why ? why? :-(
with linux it is best to ask before you buy. there are hardward
howtos. there is dejanews. i like deja-news. and thanks to you and
dejanews, someone out there may just avoid getting burned.
there may be some slight difference in initialization between the
diamond and canopus cards. why don't you ask canopus for some specs
and see if you can't hack the xfree86 driver? remember, UTSL.
--
johan kullstam
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From: Ton Roosendaal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Blender for Linux Alpha
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:44:02 +0100
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===============Blender for Linux Alpha========================
A note for owners of the fastest PC's around: now you can feed your
beast
with the coolest free 3D software around! Starting today, Blender for
Linux
Alpha is available for download at the Blender website.
The first (beta) version is dynamically linked with Mesa 3.0, and needs
Linux libc6 libraries to run.
========================Blender===============================
Blender is the free distributed 3D package - currently available for
SGI, Sun Solaris, Alpha Linux and i386 Unix PC's - that has become very
popular with students, artists and at universities.
Developed as in-house software of a high quality animation studio, it
has
proven to be an extremely fast and versatile design instrument.
In fact, Blender is a complete 3D suite which you can use to create TV
commercials, to make technical visualizations, business graphics, to do
some morphing, or design user interfaces. Thanks to its object oriented
structure you can easily build and manage complex environments.
The renderer is reliable and extremely fast.
All basic animation principles are well implemented.
Visit the Blender site for more information.
=======================www.blender.nl===========================
--
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| Ton Roosendaal [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Not a Number http://www.blender.nl |
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===============Blender for Linux Alpha========================
<p>A note for owners of the fastest PC's around: now you can feed your
beast
<br>with the coolest free 3D software around! Starting today, Blender for
Linux
<br>Alpha is available for download at the Blender website.
<p>The first (beta) version is dynamically linked with Mesa 3.0, and needs
<br>Linux libc6 libraries to run.
<p>------------------------Blender-------------------------------
<p>Blender is the free distributed 3D package - currently available for
<br>SGI, Sun Solaris, Alpha Linux and i386 Unix PC's - that has become
very
<br>popular with students, artists and at universities.
<br>Developed as in-house software of a high quality animation studio,
it has
<br>proven to be an extremely fast and versatile design instrument.
<br>In fact, Blender is a complete 3D suite which you can use to create
TV
<br>commercials, to make technical visualizations, business graphics, to
do
<br>some morphing, or design user interfaces. Thanks to its object oriented
<br>structure you can easily build and manage complex environments.
<br>The renderer is reliable and extremely fast.
<br>All basic animation principles are well implemented.
<p>Visit the Blender site for more information.
<p>-----------------------www.blender.nl---------------------------
<br>
<pre>--
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| Ton
Roosendaal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Not a
Number
<A HREF="http://www.blender.nl">http://www.blender.nl</A> |
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From: Mark Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: man pages and Texinfo
Date: 08 Jan 1999 05:02:08 +0000
"Bruce H. Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> With RH 5.2, man chmod gives me the man page okay, but it says the
> "documentation is no longer being maintained... The Texinfo
> documentation is now the authoritative source"
> Obviosly Texinfo is Tex, but where do I find it? I've noticed several
> man pages with this disclaimer.
Texinfo is a format for writing hypertext documentation which can be
converted into a variety of formats, including info and HTML, and also
supports the generation of paper manuals with TeX. RedHat include the
info versions of the documents, and you can view them with an info
reader. Run "info" from the shell prompt, or "C-h i" within Emacs.
You don't need any other programs unless you plan to write documents
in this format.
--
Mark Brown mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Trying to avoid grumpiness)
http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~broonie/
EUFS http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/filmsoc/
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From: Gene Markozen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Scanner on parallel port (HOW)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:22:21 -0800
I just bought a Digital Research parallel port (EPP) high
resolution scanner.
Is there a way to get it to work in Linux? I downloaded
the SANE package, but it looks like the package doesn't
support using the printer/parallel port. It seems that
the package is targeted at SCSI scanners. There is a
mention of the mustek parallel port scanner, but that has
its own parallel port ISA card.
It may be the case that I have to write my own driver.
Does anyone know where I can find the TWAIN protocol
documentation/specification?
Specs:
Digital Research Technologies
600x1200 dpi 30-bit color scanner
EPP parallel port interface
TWAIN compliant
8.5x11.5 scanning bed
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From: Kevin Currie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RPM seg faults... any ideas?
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 14:07:19 +0000
> It shouldn't take you more than 2 hr. to get it fixed. I had a corrupted
> rpm database due to power failurem, same symptoms, and within 2 hr. I had
> it fixed. Read Maximum RPM available in pdf format on RH's web site. It has
> some notes about creating blank rpm database that are not mentioned in the
> man page.
I cannot find the PDF anywhere on their site... can you send it or a
link to me? Thanks.
Kevin
--
"what if what is isn't you, does that mean you've got to lose" - b.c.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 23:16:58 GMT
On 08 Jan 1999 21:41:30 +0100, David Kastrup
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
all with this bit of wisdom:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh) writes:
>
>> On 08 Jan 1999 01:57:01 +0100, David Kastrup
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us
>> all with this bit of wisdom:
>>
>> >"Netnerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >
>> >> The consumer has spoken, but will this affect Penfield Jackson’s
>> >> rulings? Of course not, a biased and angry Penfield will rule
>> >> against Microsoft on every count and impose the most severe penalty
>> >> he believes possible. But not to worry, there is a contingency plan
>> >> in place regardless the DOJ trial and appeals outcome. Long live
>> >> Microsoft.
>> >
>> >Well, in *our* country court cases are decided by the law, not by
>> >public votes, but of course, in the land that has made lynching
>> >popular the procedures might be different.
>>
>> Do I understand this right? A German citizen wants to name call based
>> on a countriy's past? A fucking GERMAN wants to go down that road?
>> Were you absent on the day they went over your country's history, in
>> say the 1940's? You might want to go look it up before you start this
>> kind of crap.
>
>It is not me that has declared that the court trial should be decided
>by public vote.
Your obnoxious 'lynching' comment had nothing to do with the substance
of the argument and you know it.
> And I guess if you want to crank up WWII as an
>argument, you got it the wrong way round. The Germans have been
>notorious in the Third Reich for not voting but instead adhering
>straight to authorities, to an insane degree.
Again you weren't addressing the issue when you made your obnoxious
'lynching' comment. My reply was in response to that not anything
else. Your backpedaling is understandable though with the very poor
position that you've placed yourself in.
"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: PPP and BellAtlantic.net
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 01:54:04 -0500
How come I can connect to BellAtlantic.net with PPP 2.2.0f-5 but when I
upgrade to the newest version say the one that came with my RedHat 5.2
system it won't connect. I have had to downgrade this package evertime I
upgraded RH from 5.0 - 5.1 and now 5.2.
Has anyone been able to connect to BellAtlantic.net with a new version
of PPP?
say PPP 2.3.5????
Thanx........
I am using RH 5.2, wvdial and PPP 2.2.0f-5 (on that shipped with redhat
5.0 powertools) currently
--
From: Frank Hale
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 7205161
Homepage: http://members.xoom.com/frankhale/
Jade: http://jade.netpedia.net/
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