Linux-Misc Digest #357, Volume #20 Wed, 26 May 99 14:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery (Alan Fried)
Re: RH6, Gnome & RealPlayer not quite right (Josh)
upgrading to RedHat 6.0 (The Dude)
Re: Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux (Jonas)
Re: Middleware to connect PostgreSQL to Web forms ? (Rod Roark)
Re: car mp3 player (David L. Bilbey)
Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux (Johan Kullstam)
Re: How to Stay Online - ISP Kicks my off during inactivity (Johan Kullstam)
Re: Linux books ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Normal user can't mount floppy on RedHat 6.0..why???? (Matthew Bafford)
Re: LILO not working without (empty) 2nd HDD? (John Girash)
Re: smtp without registered domain? (Ben Short)
Re: Linux on Dual Pentium-II machines (Suran)
Re: linux and quake... ("Hebert, Greg (EXCHANGE:KWAY:6C26)")
Re: A Capitalists view of freedom (Peter Seebach)
Re: email bridge (Jonas)
Re: Word Perfect (Mark Tranchant)
Re: prg starten mit pid ?? (Mark Tranchant)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Fried)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.3 mystery
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:42:56 GMT
Tilman Kranz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.misc Alan Fried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I upgraded my kernel from 2.0.34 to 2.2.7 and I am using the Red Hat 5.1
>> distribution. Fortunately I still have my old kernel so I am able to use
>> the ppp option with the old kernel.
>
>> Any suggestions?
>
>Hmmm...
>
>did you install the modules?
>
> cd /usr/src/linux && make modules; make modules_install
> (just in case)
>
>Ok. If yes and if you furthermore really got the latest
>ppp (in any case to be found at ftp.sunsite.unc.edu or one
>of its mirrors), there imho is only one answer:
>
>something is going -very- wrong.
Yes thanx for your condolences, I was thinking about upgrading
to Red Hat 6.0 but I'm not too sure that would solve the problem.
So right now I'm in a holding pattern.
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From: Josh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH6, Gnome & RealPlayer not quite right
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 06:17:38 -0400
For those looking....
Real Player G2 alpha for linux (glibc only) can be found at:
http://www.real.com/products/player/linux.html
Took me a long time to find it... I had to search all over slashdot for it.
Real networks should really post more info on stuff like this, at least links
to these alphas/betas
--
Josh I.
Steven Versteeg wrote:
> Michael J. Saletnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : So I put RH6 on a clean partition, having decided to blow away my 5.1
> : instead of upgrading. After the install, I have a very nice system;
> : however, I have a few issues that I need a little help with:
>
> : *) RealPlayer 5, Linux ELF version (which I use because the
> : rpm version for RH doesn't include NS plugin support), does not work,
> : failing on write() to /dev/dsp. All my other sound programs (sox,
> : xemacs, etc) work fine. Thoughts?
>
> RH 6.0 broke my RealPlayer 5 too. Real Networks have just released
> G2 alpha, and that works fine. Something else you may want to
> check is the permissions on your device files. The RH 6.0 upgrade
> changed the permissions on my device files so only root had access to them.
>
> : *) When I enable sounds in Gnome and/or Enlightenment, they seem to
> : lock the sound driver so that no other program can play sounds?
>
> : *) Gnome does not seem completely there ... I don't have an actual
> : "desktop," though I do have the panel. I also don't seem to have
> : the thing they call the "file manager." Any suggestions (other
> : than to verify all my gnome rpm's, which I'll try right now) ?
>
> Sorry, I don't use Gnome.
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From: The Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: upgrading to RedHat 6.0
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:56:44 GMT
Hi,
How do I upgrade my RedHat 5.2+KDE 1.1 with RedHat 6.0.
I have the original CD. Is it a problem or do I just have to start
installing as usual?
--
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The Dude
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From: Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux
Date: 26 May 1999 15:23:21 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer) writes:
> : copies they have sold and also how many downloads they have had from
> : their servers. This would still only give you a small piece of the
>
> Uh. Well, we can count linux servers pretty accurately via nslookup
> or other tricks.
>
But only those connected to the Internet. How many others are being
used internally as file servers, as part of processor farms etc.?
Okay nslookups et al. could give you an idea of the number of
web/ftp/etc servers out there but this is probably about as close as
onyone could ever hope (or want) to get to an accurate figure.
--
Giles Paterson
4th Year MEng Software Engineering Student,
"... Nowadays it is hard to die young, no matter how stupid, slow or
myopic you are." Dr Richard Dawkins
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From: Rod Roark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Middleware to connect PostgreSQL to Web forms ?
Date: 26 May 1999 14:24:01 GMT
Cameron Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>More importantly to my purpose, the commercial middleware packages
>let you describe the logic of your database application in very
>high level terms, and generate from that description *working code*
>that will implement it. The concept is that most Web-enabled database
>apps do pretty much the same thing,
That sounds more like an unfortunate consequence of using such high
level tools than an argument for using them.
>and we have better things to do than
>write the same logic in Perl or C over and over.
I would hope that those who choose to code in Perl, C or PHP don't
write the same thing over and over. My view is that any application
that will have a few hundred thousand users deserves some creativity
in its low-level design, as well as the ability to fix anything that
can go wrong without the cooperation of some third party. I guess
that's what OSS is all about, and why we don't see much commercial
middleware here.
-- Rod
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http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ and Custom Software
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From: David L. Bilbey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: car mp3 player
Date: 26 May 1999 16:36:03 GMT
+-----On 24 May 1999 15:06:14 GMT, David L. Bilbey spoke unto us:----------
| Alright, the only problem I have left is the power supply. Someone
| suggested building custom regulators. I have no idea how to do that, nor
| do I even know where to start.
[snip]
Would an inverter that provides 150W of continuous power satisfy my
requirements? (K6-266/motherboard, 16bit soundcard, Hard drive (currently
2 Gig but may go bigger) Thanks.
bilbey
--
"What are all these `other dimensions' I keep hearing about? To me,
there's only one dimension that's worth anything, and that's the good ol'
U. S. of A." --Jack Handey
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: prevent detection of 2nd HD
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 14:22:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
James Daniels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Wayne Kovsky wrote:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > How can I prevent Linux (or Windows, for that matter) from knowing
about
> > > the 2nd hard disk? I would like it to stay spun down, but every
now and
> > > then linux accesses it for whatever reason. (Windows does too.)
The OS
> > > is RH5.2.
> >
> > In addition to the answers you've already received, I believe you
can
> > modify your /etc/fstab file to remove any references to partitions
on
> > that second hard drive. If those partitions are never mounted,
Linux
> > can't access them.
> >
> > --
> > Wayne Kovsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Colorado Software Summit (A Java Programming Conference)
> > http://www.SoftwareSummit.com
>
> Wayne
>
> Here I'm again.
> You got correct info on removing reference to the drive in /etc/fstab
and
> disabling it in the BIOS. This will prevent Windows and LINUX from
using
> them. Howerver if you are using APM, I believe this is why the drives
will
> spin up or down.
> Jim
Unfortunately it will NOT prevent Windows and Linux from spinning up the
HDD. I already have no entries for that HDD in fstab and no files
whatsoever that are needed by either OS. I have tried disabling them in
BIOS; however, then it stays spun UP permanently when using Win, which
is clearly not what I want, and Linux spins it up anyway (I'll try
putting "noprobe" in lilo.conf and hope that my system still works
afterwards). Also, APM should never spin a drive UP (unless used),
right?
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bart or Lisa could keep the family running Linux
Date: 26 May 1999 09:51:03 -0400
Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gilles Pelletier) writes:
>
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore) =E9crivait/wrote:
> >
> > >> Indeed! And I'm glad to take your word for it: now I can say I know
> > >> one of those rare birds. Still 99,999 to find. That's a lot.
> > >
> > >You can find me on that list as well.
> >
> > 99,998.
>
> Make that 99,997. I haven't used an MS OS for over a year now
> (previously I only kept MSWindows around for wordprocessing but I've
> switched to LaTeX since). Hmm, this is beginning to sound like an
> Alcoholics Anonymous meeting.
and now at 99996. somebody get me a 12 step program!
--
johan kullstam
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to Stay Online - ISP Kicks my off during inactivity
Date: 26 May 1999 09:52:33 -0400
Jason Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone out there know of a program that automatically sends out
> a packet every (specified) amount of time? My damn ISP kicks me off
> if I'm inactive for something like 5 minutes....and it's starting to
> get annoying. I used to use Netprophet for windows....is there
> something similiar for Linux? Thanks kindly,
use fetchmail!
have it poll your pop3 account every 3 minutes. now you'll get both
mail and remain on-line.
if that doesn't work, irc or mud sessions are also useful.
--
johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux books
Date: 26 May 1999 09:11:11 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Does anybody know what the best books on the market are for Linux System
> Administrators.
Check out www.ora.com. O'Reilly books are very highly regarded by
most everyone, for just about anything they put out. (Then perhaps
check www.borders.com or www.amazon.com for better prices...)
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Bafford)
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Normal user can't mount floppy on RedHat 6.0..why????
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 15:07:06 GMT
On Wed, 26 May 1999 12:23:25 +0200, Santiago de Pablo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
held some poor sysadmin at gun point while typing in the following:
: I think is easier and safer to use MTOOLS to access floppies. If any user
: can mount floppies, and execute a shell from there with root priviledges,
: then he/she gain root identity!
I think by shell you mean a suid executable?
If so, that's what the nosuid & noexec options are for.
If you look in the man page for mount, you'll see:
...
user Allow an ordinary user to mount the file
system. This option implies the options
noexec, nosuid, and nodev (unless overridden
by subsequent options, as in the option line
user,exec,dev,suid).
...
: Regards, Santiago.
HTH,
--Matthew
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From: John Girash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: LILO not working without (empty) 2nd HDD?
Date: 26 May 1999 13:12:37 -0500
In comp.os.linux.misc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: I noticed something very disturbing the other day: I have 2 HDD's; one
: of them (/dev/hda) contains all software and LILO, the other (/dev/hdb)
: does not hold any Linux partitions or bootsectors. Recently I
: disconnected the unused one, and it would not boot any more! Not at all!
: I got "bad magic number" and freeze (on subsequent attempts I got an
: incomplete LILO prompt). Booting from the rescue disc did not work
: either. Can someone explain why LILO depends on unused hardware, and how
: I can switch this off? I don't want to have a dead system some day just
: because an unused piece of hardware fails.
I'll bet this is a hardware problem, not a sw one. (Hints: the "magic number"
message, and the rescue disc -- which should completely bypass LILO on hda --
not working). Some IDE drives have different jumper settings for "master of
two drives" and for "lone drive on this IDE channel"; perhaps your hda does.
Or it could be a loose cable.
Just disconnecting the power cable isn't enough, the data cable has to go too.
-- john "no ROM BASIC installed" g.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: smtp without registered domain?
Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 00:05:05 +1000
In article <7igs53$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Son Trung Nguyen) writes:
>
> Oh, and finally if do this make sure your machine is in an open relay
> for anyone in the world. Such machines are used by spammers to work
> around problems, like their machines have been widely backholed and
> otherwise blocked so they can not send mail directly. (Cyberpromo
> had this problem, if you were around when Spamford was a wanted
> spammer).
>
I think you mean is *not* ;)
>
> --
> Duncan (-:
> "software industry, the: unique industry where selling substandard goods is
> legal and you can charge extra for fixing the problems."
>
Ben
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From: Suran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Linux on Dual Pentium-II machines
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:32:50 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
bryan wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.hardware sven the hairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Is linux inferior in its handling of multiple processors than other OSs?
> : Somebody at work trashed linux in this area, but I couldn't object to his
> : comments because I don't know much about multi-processor systems. Is he full
> : of S**t?
> yes.
> you can get real close to a 2x improvement in the right situation. but not everyday.
> then again, NT isn't an everyday 2x improvement either. I'm told its more like 25%.
Let's say (1)80-(1)90% the sceduler is pretty slow.
But Linux as a monolitic kernel is not as good as say HURD(microkernel,
every bit is a server
and can be on every processor(or every mashine later)) or Be(still
monolitic but parallelized
pretty good I've ben told).
>
> : Swietanowski Artur wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> : >mumford wrote:
> : >> You're requesting info about building a number crunching system... I'm
> : >> almost positive that you could expect a significant performance hit be-
> : >> cause of the decreased cache size if you chose celerons instead of true
> : >> P-II's (celerons have 128K cache, true P-II's have 512K).
> : >
> : >All evidence to the contrary so far (in the number crunching field).
[...]
> : >Also, L2 cache of Celerons works at twice the speed of PII L2 cache.
> : >Depending on your examples, you may sometimes even get a better
> : >performance from a Celeron! (I take this info from previous
> : >discussions on the PII vs. Celeron -- search Dejanews for the
> : >original posts).
Not that much in an SMP. They have to share and syncronize on tha
allready slow
memory-interface. There is cache-trashing and flushing(Mutex-locks) all
that
stuff that people let happen if they never really profile their code.
So lets say there are rare cases where it gives mush and for crunching
BIG-numbers
you should rather think of an older alpha (still not as expensive and as
fast as you
might think but with the ablity to have a rather HUGE throuput).
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From: "Hebert, Greg (EXCHANGE:KWAY:6C26)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux and quake...
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:23:48 -0400
Me wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I have looked on various website and still have not found any information on
> getting my mouse to work in squake running in linux.. I was told it has to do
> with the SVGALIBS, however i have those installed and still no mouse...please
> help.
>
> Thankx in Advance
>
> all replies to
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
take a look at /etc/vga/libvga.config
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: A Capitalists view of freedom
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:35:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marco Antoniotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My point is that all over (Western) Europe, where gun controls are in
>place, violent crime is not at the levels reached in some US cities.
However, in the u.s., crime rates vary directly with gun control, and
inversely with gun availability.
>This is statistics.
So's that.
(I personally wonder whether we'd have the situation we do now if 10% of those
1.5 million displaced Kosovars had been armed.)
-s
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From: Jonas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: email bridge
Date: 26 May 1999 16:53:07 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jack Cheng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hello,
>
> I have a domain name hosted in my ISP but use the dial-up account.
>
> I use the Rh5.2 Linux box and 10 Win95 box with different email
> address, I want to use the Linux server to collect all the emails send
> to this domain every 1 hour.
>
> Is it possible to use single dial-up account to send/receive emails for
> more then one email address?
> e.g. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (dial-up account)
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> .
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
receiving the messages is a fairly simple job that can be done using
fetchmail (presuming that you are collecting from POP mail boxes),
check out the fetchmail man pages for more details on setting this up.
Sending the messages is a bit trickier and will require some
modification of your Sendmail (or equivalent) settings. Basically you
need to setup sendmail to map from the usernames on your network to
the equivalent userN&my-domain.com addresses. This is not too
difficult but getting info on Sendmail can be a bit of a nightmare. I
have my RedHat box set up to fetch mail from several accounts and send
mail using one address, mapping from my username on the box to my
real-world e-mail address. Doing the same for multiple users will
require a bit more work. Might I suggest you try one of the sendmail
newsgroups and the sendmail web site (http://www.sendmail.org). You
will also need to configure sendmail to run in off line mode, so that
it queues mail.
You will need to set you Win95 boxen to use the Linux box as the smtp
and pop3 server. This will require setting up POP3 accounts for each
of the Win95 users on your linux box.
As for getting this lot to happen every hour, well its a job for
cron. First create a little script that calls fetchamil and sendmail
-q (to get sendmail to deliver messages in the queue). Then you have
two choices. You can either get your script to make the dial-up
connection, however this requires you to come up with a way to detect
when sendmail and fecthmail are done then shut down the
link. Alternatively you can set up DialD on your Linux box. This
automates the making and breaking of dial-up connections but can be a
bit tricky to get right.
HTH
--
Giles Paterson
4th Year MEng Software Engineering Student,
"... Nowadays it is hard to die young, no matter how stupid, slow or
myopic you are." Dr Richard Dawkins
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Word Perfect
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:04:09 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mj) writes:
>
> > Hi,
> > In addition:
> > Note that "f" must be the last char of the switches. if you do
> > tar -xfv <filename> , it may not work (on my box at least, it
> > doesn't).
>
> don't use a minus and it'll work just fine!
>
> tar xfv <filename.tar>
>
> you can even do perverse stunts like
>
> tar cvfb /dev/st0 2000 .
>
> where the f goes with file /dev/st0 and b goes with the 2000 blocks.
> see the tar info pages on old option syntax.
>
> hope this helps.
Helps?! Confuses, more like. The deprecation of the - is fine, but the
whole "spirit" of the thing is that the f should be followed by the
filename. Getting used to lax new syntax will only give you grief when
you have to use older, proprietary UNIX commands on otehr machines. Only
use new syntax if it adds value, not just to be lazy.
Mark.
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From: Mark Tranchant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: prg starten mit pid ??
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:07:22 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My German isn't brilliant, but you seem to be asking if you can choose
or change the PID for a process. Technically, yes (kernel hackery), but
practically, no.
Mark.
dl6dbh wrote:
>
> kann man ein prg starten und dabei den pid vorgeben
> auf dem es laufen soll ??
>
> meinolf
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