Linux-Misc Digest #441, Volume #20 Tue, 1 Jun 99 02:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: getty/mgetty question ("Pankaj Arora")
Re: DDS-3 DAT drive (Leslie Mikesell)
Can anyone help to crack this sequence? ($300 reward :-)) (shawn)
Go Debian Go (and a LILO doc plug) (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Re: NT the best web platform? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: ATI and X Server problem (Wesley McGrew)
Re: IPX protocol (Jim Richardson)
Re: word processing, what to use? (Johan Kullstam)
HELP! RedHat5.2 Sony CDU33a Wont Install. (Satya Purohit)
Re: CD-R SCSI HELP, please (Greg)
Re: making linux go away ("adam howard")
Re: Error compiling 2.2.2 kernel (Paul Kimoto)
Re: Linux 2.2.X with only 4 MB RAM? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: NT the best web platform? ("Chad Mulligan")
Canon BJC 4400 (siz)
Re: Netscrape Plugins (Mircea)
Re: Contributions (was Re: Tired of X11???) (Christopher B. Browne)
Re: telnet & ftp clients 95 to unix (Ben Short)
Re: MP3's Play To Fast ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Netscrape Plugins (Mircea)
Re: getty/mgetty question (Bill Unruh)
Re: small linux distribution? (Fezzzza)
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Reply-To: "Pankaj Arora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Pankaj Arora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getty/mgetty question
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 02:15:14 GMT
>It might be trying to initchat with the modem (which of course is not
there).
Shouldn't the -r prevent that?
The log file is big and looks something like this:
05/30 02:36:36 yS1 mgetty: experimental test release 1.1.14-Apr02
05/30 02:36:36 yS1 check for lockfiles
05/30 02:36:36 yS1 locking the line
05/30 02:36:36 yS1 WARNING: DCD line still active, check modem settings
(AT&Dx)
05/30 02:36:36 yS1 lowering DTR to reset Modem
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 TIOCMBIS failed: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 cannot turn off soft carrier: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 tcgetattr failed: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 cannot get TIO: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 mg_init_device failed, trying again
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 WARNING: DCD line still active, check modem settings
(AT&Dx)
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 lowering DTR to reset Modem
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 TIOCMBIS failed: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 cannot turn off soft carrier: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 tcgetattr failed: Input/output error
05/30 02:36:37 yS1 cannot get TIO: Input/output error
Any recommendations? As I said, I'm a new to Linux, and I'm just figuring
things out as I go. :-)
Pankaj Arora
Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7iul59$cu6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In <ZCA43.17961$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Pankaj Arora"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> ]i'm running red hat linux 6.0 and i have hooked up a vt101 to a serial
cable
> ]which is connected to my linux box. i put this line in /etc/inittab:
>
> ][...]
> ]7:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -r -s 4800 /dev/ttyS1
> ][...]
>
> ]it works fine at first -- then when i log out from my vt101 it's supposed
to
> ]respawn mgetty and let me log back in through the vt101. it doesn't and
a
> ]message comes up on the linux box saying, "Respawning too quickly --
> ]disabled for 5 minutes." It doesn't work even after 5 minutes, I just
get
> ]the same message again.
>
> Find out why mgetty is respawning. It might be trying to initchat with
> the modem (which of course is not there).
> Put in the line
> debug 8
> (and remove any other debug line in the file)
> into /etc/mgetty*/mgetty.config
> near the beginning and look in /var/log/mgetty.ttyS1 to see what it is
> doing, and where it is running into problems.
> (reset this debug level or you will rapidly run out of room in /var/log)
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: DDS-3 DAT drive
Date: 31 May 1999 22:12:19 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chris Mauritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I wasn't able to get anything useful out of either the Seagate or
>>> the HP DDS-3 drives. I simply got I/O errors when I tried to
>>> read/write tapes. Looks like I'm going to have to keep one
>>> Slowlaris box around just to make backups....sigh.
>
[...]
>Nope, I cannot read or write tapes with either device. I can do things
>like rewind and eject the tapes, but cannot do anything else.
This sounds like a physical problem where full-speed data tranfer
over the scsi cable just isn't working. Check cable length, termination,
scsi id, etc., and perhaps try slowing down the max transfer rate
to the drive if the adapter allows it. Try a different cable.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: shawn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can anyone help to crack this sequence? ($300 reward :-))
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 11:06:28 +0800
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
==============3FBF4FA83CFF0047C6324AC9
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi,
Attached is the file "sequence" containing a list of
Hex code.
There seems to be a running sequence that occurs
every like say 60 (I have marked it with xxx).
I have been cracking for quite some time but didn't
seem to comprehend this sequence...:-( This includes
any possible byte shift/ masking etc. that I've tried.
Can anyone help? I'm willing to reward anyone who
is able to crack this.
Thanks!!
note: the reward is available only between 1st Jun 99 to
1st Jul 99.
--Theng Chong
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="sequence"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline; filename="sequence"
FF BF ED 6F
FF BF 84 16
FF BF 91 E4
FF BF AB CD
FF BF 45 98
FF BF 5F 65
FF BF 69 3F
FF BF 03 51
FF BF 1C E9
FF BF 36 A5
FF BC C0 C4
FF BC DA E7
FF BC F4 B9
FF BC 8E E9
FF BC 99 35
FF BC B3 11
FF BC 4C AA
FF BC 66 7C
FF BC 70 4A
FF BC 0A 10
FF BC 27 D1
FF BC 3E 5C
FF BD C8 C7
FF BD E2 D5
FF BD FD 21
FF BD 97 10
FF BD A1 77
FF BD B9 1C
FF BD 52 EF
FF BD 6D 63
FF BD 07 25
FF BD 11 97
FF BD 2B 52
FF BA C5 40
FF BA DF 52
FF BA E9 20
FF BA 83 0F
FF BA 9C D2
FF BA B6 A4
FF BA 40 B5
FF BA 5A 4D
FF BA 74 51 xxx
FF BA 0C E2
FF BA 26 CF
FF BA 30 D3
FF BB CB EB
FF BB E5 FF
FF BB FF DC
FF BB 89 AA
FF BB A3 BD
FF BB BD 80
FF BB 54 5E
FF BB 6E 2D
FF BB 06 E6
FF BB 10 F6
FF BB 2A D1
FF B8 C4 EB
FF B8 DF 60
FF B8 F6 1D
FF B8 83 E4
FF B8 A6 31
FF B8 BE C8
FF B8 56 6F
FF B8 61 E5
FF B8 07 19
FF B8 1E 1C
FF B8 28 33
FF B9 C5 C3
FF B9 DF D2
FF B9 E9 AD
FF B9 83 89
FF B9 9D 6A
FF B9 B7 F3
FF B9 41 D5
FF B9 5B A7
FF B9 75 B5
FF B9 0F 9C
FF B9 19 7C
FF B9 33 36
FF B6 CC C3
FF B6 E6 9F
FF B6 F0 7D
FF B6 8A 31
FF B6 A4 29
FF B6 BE 3B
FF B6 48 00
FF B6 62 14
FF B6 7F E5
FF B6 09 CC
FF B6 23 AE
FF B6 3D BE
FF B7 D4 20
FF B7 EE 30
FF B7 F8 2B
FF B7 92 39
FF B7 AC 02
FF B7 46 1A
FF B7 53 F3
FF B7 6A 69
FF B7 04 33
FF B7 11 CD
FF B7 2B DE xxx
FF B4 C5 A2
FF B4 DF 88
FF B4 E9 47
FF B4 83 21
FF B4 9C FB
FF B4 B6 89
FF B4 40 9B
FF B4 5A 65
FF B4 74 71
FF B4 0E 58
FF B4 18 20
FF B4 32 0B
FF B5 CC 1F
FF B5 D9 FB
FF B5 F3 BD
FF B5 8D EF
FF B5 A7 FA
FF B5 B1 DB
FF B5 48 DD
FF B5 63 34
FF B5 7C C5
FF B5 16 92
FF B5 20 2C
FF B5 3A 3D
FF B2 D4 1B
FF B2 E1 E2
FF B2 FB F4
FF B2 92 61
FF B2 AD 24
FF B2 44 29
FF B2 5E 92
FF B2 68 60
FF B2 02 8F
FF B2 1C AC
FF B2 36 BD
FF B3 C1 17
FF B3 DA F0
FF B3 F5 97
FF B3 8F 88
FF B3 99 92
FF B3 B3 F5
FF B3 4D EC
FF B3 64 4F
FF B3 7E 42
FF B3 08 74
FF B3 22 6B
FF B3 3C 44
FF B0 D6 0F
FF B0 E3 DC
FF B0 FD 6A
FF B0 97 7C
FF B0 A1 48
FF B0 BB 1C
FF B0 55 32
FF B0 6E C0
FF B0 78 87
FF B0 12 6D
FF B0 2D AD
FF B1 C7 A6
FF B1 D1 DD xxx
FF B1 EB B6
FF B1 85 86
FF B1 9F B2
FF B1 A9 8A
FF B1 43 59
FF B1 5D 2F
FF B1 77 AA
FF B1 01 68
FF B1 1B 70
FF B1 35 5C
FF AE CF 27
FF AE D9 43
FF AE F3 55
FF AE 8D 37
FF AE A7 50
FF AE B1 24
FF AE 4B 0C
FF AE 64 DA
FF AE 7E AC
FF AE 08 BF
FF AE 22 9E
FF AE 3C 6C
FF AF D6 33
FF AF E3 C8
FF AF FD D2
FF AF 97 AE
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: Go Debian Go (and a LILO doc plug)
Date: 1 Jun 1999 03:14:08 GMT
I switched from an ancient Slackware to Debian on my home system
a few weeks ago. I have to give a quick report at a meeting and
decided to try sgmltools.
Everything worked right out of the box, from Metafont to
ghostscript and xdvi. I'd expected the usual library and font battles.
Nice job, Debian crew.
Now I'm running out of excuses for LILO mini-HOWTO, except lack of
input. Post your weird LILO rants and raves, and your lilo.conf
with comments, at http://judi.greens.org/lilo/.
And grab the LILO user guide in PDF, it's really nice.
Cameron
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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 31 May 1999 23:37:18 -0400
"Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Jimmy Navarro wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >If NT is the best web platform, it has to be available for free. Be sure
> your
> >NT has no memory leak.
> >
> it is free. That's been fixed.
it is? are you sure? perhaps you should let bill gates know about
this. he's under the impression that nt was proprietary.
(this has nothing to do with the suitability or non-suitability of nt
as a web server.)
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wesley McGrew)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: ATI and X Server problem
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 05:12:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I know with my ATI Rage Pro, I had to diddle around a bit with the
/etc/X11/XF86Config after running the video configuration to comment
out all the resolutions that weren't working or that I didn't want.
Works great though (this was with rh5.2).
Of course, with Redhat 6.0, it works right out of the box. As a
matter of fact, I set up my whole system just like I wanted it and I
only had to type in one command the whole time: sndconfig.
Windows people don't believe me when I say that though ;-)
On Mon, 31 May 1999 22:09:07 -0400, "Maxsell L.Dickey"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have caldera 2.2 and ATI Rage IIc and 15" monitor also and I can't get X
>working at all but I have plenty invalid mode errors!
>Jerry Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I have the ATI All-In-Worder Pro Mach64 and probably invested close to
>> 50 hours trying to get RH5.2 to recognize this card. Last night I gave
>> up and purchased Caldera Open Linux 2.2. The auto-probe in this
>> software works great, it allows you to "test" your video settings before
>> completing setup and the whole process was finished in under 30 minutes.
>>
>> JPC wrote:
>> >
>> > I´m having a serious problem:
>> > I have a PC with an ATI RageII-chipset Mach64GT, 4Mb card and a 15"
>> > monitor.
>> > I´m using RH 5.2 Linux.
>> >
>> > Linux install OK.
>> >
>> > But when trying to launch XWindow problems come.
>> > When trying to autoprobe system crashed.
>> > When running XF86Setup I have already tried various chipsets: Mach 64,
>> > Mach 64+, Mach84GT, generic VGA... None of them seemed to work - giving
>> > an error: can´t connect to XServer.
>> > Tried also several combinations with monitor parameters - even the
>> > lowest. Nothing.
>> >
>> > Anyone having same problem?
>> > Can someone please enlighten me on how overcome this situation?
>> >
>> > Many many thanks
>
>
==============================
Wesley "Weasel" McGrew
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: IPX protocol
Date: 1 Jun 1999 02:39:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 31 May 1999 20:42:05 -0700,
Jörg Meier, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>After installing SuSE 6.1 it is no longer possible to use the
>ipx-protocol. Always the following message appears:
>
>ipx_interface: socket: invalid argument
>
>Is there any idea?
>
>Thanks
SuSE 6.1 comes with IPX not compiled into the kernel. you'll need to
recompile as a mod, or in the kernel.
I had the same prob, compiled it into the kernel, and now I can
print to the netware machine, and use the fileserver fine.
--
Jim Richardson
www.eskimo.com/~warlock
All hail Eris
"Linux, where do you want to go tomorrow?"
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Subject: Re: word processing, what to use?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 31 May 1999 23:35:01 -0400
Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [courtesy cc of this posting mailed to cited author]
>
> In comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann) writes:
> :I don't know of anyone who would actually try to prepare a
> :publication-quality document destined to be printed and bound using MS
> :Word or Word Perfect! They are just not up to the task.
>
> Funny you should mention that. Just the other day some folks went
> completely incredulous on me they challenged me on my completely honest
> statement that I've never used anything from micro~1 in my life.
> They said, "So, how do you write your books?" To which I answered,
> "In vi and troff, of course." They went nearly catatonic with
> disbelief.
well, you cannot write books in ms-word that's for sure. once you hit
30 or so pages things start becoming painful, if not downright
unstable.
the documentation department where i work is using framemaker.
ms-word was rejected since it wouldn't cut the mustard.
i use emacs, auctex and ams-latex personally.
--
J o h a n K u l l s t a m
[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: Satya Purohit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: HELP! RedHat5.2 Sony CDU33a Wont Install.
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:03:49 -0400
Hello all,
I'm trying to install RedHat 5.2 on an old Pentium90. The CDROM is a
Sony CDU33a. I'm getting nowhere 'cause it wont recognize my CDrom
Autoprobe didn't work. So I looked up the CDROM Settings for WinNT4.0
on same machine.
NT Config Says : Addr = 0x340-0x343, IRQ5.
Tried these setting in "Specify options" for CD ROM detection. CDRom
access light changes colors 2 times and then whole thing hangs.
Anybody know what to do ?
Previously successfully used Slackware 96 with same machine & CDU33a.
Any help much appreciated.
Satya Purohit
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Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 23:50:56 -0400
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Greg)
Subject: Re: CD-R SCSI HELP, please
Check the messages while the machine is booting. The scsi devices
detected should scroll by. Those messages may be stored in a file
like /usr/var/messages or something like that. In the mean time
try /dev/sr0.
Greg
> I have a cd/r to scsi question. I am new to Linux. Yet I wonder how I can
> mount my scsi Smart&Friendly to read files. I just can't figure out what dev
> to use. Perhaps somebody can give me an advice. Do I have to create a link
> to the dev? What' s the syntax? The scsi driver is loaded, xcdroast
> recognizes the cd/r. My EIDE cdrom mounts just fine.
>
> I am running RH 5.2, Kernel 2.0.36, AMD 400 Mhz, 192 M RAM, AHA1510 SCSI
> Card (don't laugh, my HP Scanner works just fine with it)
>
> Thanks in advance
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From: "adam howard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: making linux go away
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 17:06:37 -0500
talk about a waste of bandwidth....do we really need a few dozen people to
give the same answer?
> How do I get rid of Linux in the boot sector (I guess that's where it
> is) once and for all?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: Error compiling 2.2.2 kernel
Date: 1 Jun 1999 00:25:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7iv4b0$fig$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bryan Feeney wrote:
> Every time I try to compile the new 2.2.2 kernel
> with make zImage,I get an error telling me that
> csum_partial_copy is already defined.
The common cause is having a file called checksum.c: there
is no (ix86) checksum.c file in the 2.2 kernel series. It
must be left over from some old kernel source. Delete it.
(The 2.2.2 kernel has been out of date for almost 3 months.
Try 2.2.7 or 2.2.9.)
--
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.X with only 4 MB RAM?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 04:34:12 GMT
According to Georg Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Common wisdom says that Linux 2.2.X requires at least 8 MB of RAM - and
> I must admit that there's quite some truth to that.
> I've installed Linux 2.2.9 on a 386SX with 4 MB RAM. It boots and runs,
> but extremely slowly due to swapping:
Just out of curiosity, what are you actually _doing_ on a 386SX with 4
megs of RAM? I know this setup will make an excellent router,
firewall, or loghost; or can be used for all sorts of imbedded
applications, but I can't imagine how it could be useful for any type
of interactive logins.
I've found that even a stripped 2.0.36 kernel and a minimal system
swaps pretty heavily during interactive use. Jumping up to 8 or 16
megs makes a world of difference. Before spending too much time
tweaking your system, you may want to scrounge arround for some RAM.
Given the number of people who have upgrated from 4 MB sticks to 16 MB
sticks, it is quite easy to put together a 16 MB system. I needed
some a while back and had about a dozen 4MB sticks offered to me for
free or for nominal trade.
-p.
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From: "Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 20:49:54 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote in message ...
>"Chad Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Jimmy Navarro wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> >If NT is the best web platform, it has to be available for free. Be
sure
>> your
>> >NT has no memory leak.
>> >
>> it is free. That's been fixed.
>
>it is? are you sure? perhaps you should let bill gates know about
>this. he's under the impression that nt was proprietary.
>
Yeah and he gave it away. check out www.microsoft.com IIS and all the fixes
downloadable from there.
>
>(this has nothing to do with the suitability or non-suitability of nt
>as a web server.)
>
>--
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: siz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Canon BJC 4400
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 22:46:46 -0400
I would greatly appreciate any advice on getting my Canon BJC 4400 printe=
r to
work w/ Linux. All I am currently getting is lines of seemingly random
characters when trying to print a postscript doc. I have RH5.2.
Thanks very much for any help.
siz
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscrape Plugins
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:35:04 -0400
Jimmy Navarro wrote:
>
> Besides putting as "rvplayer %"? I don't see rvplayerplugin.so anywhere.
> I use RH5.2+NC4.08. Anyway, I have /usr/lib/netscape/plugin as empty
> subdirectory while /usr/lib/netscape/java/classes has couple of files. Are
> you sure you've tried this, not using yourWin95+NC4.6?
>
Yes, I'm sure, I'm using it right now on my Slackware 3.6, kernel 2.2.6,
Netscape 4.07. It works. The actual name of the plugin is librvplayer.so
(couldn't check while I was at work, where I have to use this crappy
windblows). If you put in in /home/<yourusername>/.netscape/plugins,
together with RAObserver.class and RAPlayer.class, you'll be able to use
it as a plugin, too.
MST
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher B. Browne)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Contributions (was Re: Tired of X11???)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 03:41:21 GMT
On Mon, 31 May 1999 23:35:04 +0100, Mr LoneWolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>>>>>>"What have you contributed to free software today?..."
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you want me to contribute with... money? ;O)
>>>>
>>>>One of many possibilities... See URL below...
>>>
>>>I rather eat up my sock than contribute with money(code contributions is
>>>another thing though)... But thats me...;O)
>>
>>Hmm. Apparently you were willing to invest your money in computer
>>equipment.
>
>Free Software and hardware is to different things.. I don't pay for
>something I can get for free..
You're making it entirely clear that you don't understand the meaning of
the term "free software;" with that I quite agree.
<http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/selling.html> nicely documents some
reasons for free software to not only be "not free of charge," but
furthermore for vendors to charge *AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.*
>>If there are the 10-odd million Linux users that are claimed, then at about
>>$1K/box, that's TEN BILLION DOLLARS (assuming USD; feel free to think about
>>that figure in terms of local currency...) that represents a sizable amount
>>of money spent.
>
>Maby whe should build temples for our Gods..
I'm not sure who "whe" is, or which "Gods" you are referring to; I
believe you need to provide some more context to that.
>>It is reasonably likely that *that* spending resulted in Microsoft's
>coffers
>>receiving a sum of on the order of hundreds of millions of dollars, what
>>with the propensity for pre-installs getting replaced by Linux.
>
>You are way out in the blue now. What the f*k has my hardware to do with
>Microsoft. I haven't bought a Microsoft product in my life.. But I
>wouldn't blame any who have.. Some software is good for some people
and some aren't..
The fact that *vast* quantities of computer systems come with MSFT
software preloaded, and thus peoples' pockets "pre-picked" for the
MSFT Licensing Tax has *everything* to do with this.
If there are 10 million systems running Linux, it is likely that at
least 5 million of them, and probably far more, came with some MSFT
software pre-loaded. The estimated prices I keep hearing are that
preloads are priced at on the order of $50 per license.
Do the math. $50 x 5 million ==> $250 Million.
That equation applies to virtually 100% of the laptops on which Linux
gets installed.
In effect, the people running Linux have paid a significant percentage
of a BILLION DOLLARS for software licenses.
Perhaps you built your PC from scratch, and thereby didn't have any
such licensing costs. That's the exception rather than the rule.
>>I would think it a small matter for someone who has already spent perhaps
>>thousands of dollars on hardware, and as likely as not paid in as much as
>>$200 for the Microsoft Tax (for W95 + MS Office pre-installs), to consider
>>tossing the piddling sum of $20 at the free software community.
>
>Free ??? as in have to pay 20 bucks.. hmm... What have you self brought to
>the free software community...?
If money is given *freely,* then that's obviously not bringing
anything awful in.
Furthermore, it is quite clear that you haven't a clear understanding
of the economics of free software.
The *only* thing about free software that is free, in the sense of
"free of charge," is *LICENSING.*
There is nothing else that's free of charge.
>>If you prefer to consider that such tiny sums of money are of tremendous
>>importance to you, and that you'd be shocked and appalled at anyone
>>investing any money in the construction of "free" software, feel free to do
>>so.
>
>Thanks.. Free software is for me free software. That is it will not have
>anything to do with money.
I suggest that you don't have a good understanding of economics, then,
because the monetary freedoms *solely* relate to the lack of licensing
costs.
All other sorts costs associated with the production, deployment, and
continuing use of software apply every bit as much to "free software"
as they do to proprietary software.
Proprietary software requires:
- Spending of various scarce resources for the creation of software.
- Payment for expenses associated with distributing software.
- Payment for expenses associated with installing and configuring
software for use.
- Payment for purchasing, installing, and maintaining computer
hardware used to run software.
- Monetary payments for licenses and for the tracking thereof.
The only thing that the use of free software takes off that list is
the final item.
>Free software is the wrong place for you to be if you want cash..but
>hey.. thats me..
Hey, someday you may figure out the bigger picture...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ben Short)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: telnet & ftp clients 95 to unix
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 14:38:28 +1000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> Hi all,
>
> Im currently working on a project to standardise our telnet and ftp
> clients that various staff members are currently using to connect to
> various unix platforms (amongst other things) from the 95 desktop.
>
> Im looking for the standard things compatibility (with various systems),
> ease of use, cost, features such as scroll history etc etc.
>
> I was wondering if anyone has already completed such a project or has
> reasons they prefer a specific client (or why they dont recommend a
> certain client).
>
> Any help apreciated.
>
> cheers
>
> Arran Price
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> My opinions are my own and do not reflect those of my employer.
>
Personally, I feel that you can't go past CRT, which is created by
Vandyke Technologies. The latest versions supports various terminal
emulations, ANSI color, TAPI and Serial support just to name a few
features. TUCOWS has a trial version of the software available on its
website.
Ben
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MP3's Play To Fast
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:36:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,> I've experienced
this with a Crystal CS4232 based (PnP) card, except that all
> sound played at doublespeed. I found that it only occured after doing
a soft
> reboot from Windows into GNU/Linux, a hard reset and then booting into
> GNU/Linux solved the problem. Seems either Windows or DOS drivers do
something
> funny.
Same problem with no Windows present on my Toshiba :-(
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From: Mircea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscrape Plugins
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1999 00:43:00 -0400
For watching CNN, I may have a solution for you, if you cannot setup
your realplayer 5.0 as a plugin. Go to
http://www.real.com/products/player/linux.html and download the G2
player for Linux, it plays the CNN content (which is encoded as crap,
anyway) flawlessly. It doesn't come with a plugin, though. To make it
work, make sure you have installed libstdc++-2.8.0-14, the one that
comes with RedHat 5.2, because it won't work with any other version.
MST
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: getty/mgetty question
Date: 1 Jun 1999 04:58:14 GMT
In <SmH43.18021$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Pankaj Arora"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]>It might be trying to initchat with the modem (which of course is not
]there).
]Shouldn't the -r prevent that?
I guess so, but it sure is not working. It is trying to initialise the
modem.
What exactly is the line in /etc/inittab?
Try also putting in
-x 8
as an argument to mgetty in /etc/inittab. That starts the debuging early
and you can watch it try to read teh mgetty.config file as well ( and
see errors).
]05/30 02:36:36 yS1 WARNING: DCD line still active, check modem settings
](AT&Dx)
]05/30 02:36:36 yS1 lowering DTR to reset Modem
]05/30 02:36:37 yS1 TIOCMBIS failed: Input/output error
]05/30 02:36:37 yS1 cannot turn off soft carrier: Input/output error
]05/30 02:36:37 yS1 tcgetattr failed: Input/output error
...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Fezzzza)
Subject: Re: small linux distribution?
Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 22:48:12 GMT
Why can't you leave the HD running unatteneded ???
On Sun, 30 May 1999 19:14:42 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>hi all,
>is there any linux distribution that has ethernet support, and fits on a
>floppy?
>i would like to do this:
>create a dos ramdrive
>copy the linux filesystem (gz file? the doslinux dist. uses this),kernel
>and some other files from the floppy to the ramdrive
>boot linux from the ramdrive
>mount the ramdrive and copy a few files from it to the linux filesys,
>OR, mount the floppy and copy files directly from it
>i know this might sound crazy, but is it possible ? or is there a better
>solution? (the reason for this is because i don't want to have the hdd
>running. the computer in question will be running several weeks
>unattended)
>tia.
>
>
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