Linux-Misc Digest #266, Volume #21 Mon, 2 Aug 99 20:13:13 EDT
Contents:
ICQ (was Re: in response (Bev)
Re: What I think of linux. ("W.A. Scheer")
[Q] linux license? (student)
Help with installing source code package using RPM (Devesh Mistry)
Combined Host BUS and RedHat 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: IDE vs scsi? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
timing a subroutine (Jeff Silverman)
Re: Warning! The eclipse approaches... {5.6b} (William
Burrow)
Re: PPP and Linux ("propsync")
Large HD Access Problem ("Lord Byron")
Re: What I think of linux. (William Burrow)
Re: c++ grammer (Bruce Stephens)
Question: where can I download any LINUX? ("Alexander Berezhnoy")
ttf? (benjamin j snyder)
Scriptong Question (Jim McIntyre)
Re: LOST ROOT PASSWORD ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver (Dan Bizuneh)
Re: IDE vs scsi? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: brain teaser (Heeeeeeeez back!)
Re: Just a suggestion... (Heeeeeeeez back!)
Re: [Q] linux license? (brian moore)
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.caldera,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: ICQ (was Re: in response
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:36:35 -0700
Ray wrote:
>
> On 2 Aug 1999 03:52:42 GMT, Daniel Forester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Larry Clark was talking... AGAIN...
> >: the ICQ clients I have had the most luck with but still haven't been able
> >: to get to work are :
> >: micq
> >: xicq
> >: zicq
> >
> >: close but no cigar...can' anyone help me,
> >: thanks larry
> >
> >I had tried installing various versions of licq (http://licq.wibble.net/),
> >but was unsuccessful in the install... turns out I didn't have the QT
> >includes... installed the QT-devel package (via rpm), and got ANOTHER
> >version of licq, klicq, and it installed just fine.
>
> I think this version, klicq, applies only if you're running KDE,
> right? Linuxberg gives it (and it's "parent", licq) five gold Tuxes.
> But, I've been hearing in this newsgroup that it's buggy. Are there
> better ICQ clients? Or do they all have their own problems?
The ordinary genuine ICQ installed perfectly into my suse 6.1 installation
-- which was a surprise, because I had to try two different jdks to
install it into my old 3.4 slackware. The things I don't like about the
original are the tiny fonts, inability to save stuff, tiny fonts, the fact
that the 'chat' function doesn't update until you hit return, and the 'go
to URL' function doesn't. Oh yeah, the fonts are too tiny. I installed
gtkicq, but it seemed even less capable and was destroyed. If there are
any good reports maybe I'll try kicq, which is in the suse 6.1
distribution.... OK, I had already installed it (well jeez, it was only a
few weeks ago!). It looks exactly like the normal ICQ, except with none
of the blanks filled in and fewer functions. Sent a message. We'll see
what happens...
This is the third time I've had to ask people to re-authorize me, and
this time it's taking weeks. Does the novelty wear off this fast for
everybody?
AIM looked nicer, but insists on exploding far too frequently.
--
Cheers,
Bev
==============================================
"Tough? We drink our urine and eat our dead!"
-- N. Heilweil
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From: "W.A. Scheer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:44:37 -0700
James Knott wrote in message ...
>My first computer was an IMSAI 8080, which was a (better built) clone
>of the Altair. I also struggled with cassettes.
>
Just wondering why you went with the IMSAI instead of the Altair? For me, it
was a REALLY technical reason ... the switches looked less cheesy!!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (student)
Subject: [Q] linux license?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:56:21 GMT
Hi!
I have some administrative questions.
As a end user, I've been wondering the question related to
the license of linux.
Specifically, for example, many linux OSes
such as RedHat, Slackware, Debian, etc
have 'free' or 'share' packages of gnu society
for compilers, editors, xterms, etc, in their CDROM.
In that case, the company of RedHat or Slackware or Debian
need to pay some license fee to 'gnu' society?
(Or to any person that made free/share packages called freeware/shareware).
Or they don't need to pay to them at all.
If they do not need to pay at all, can I(as an end user)
sell my own CDROM that has such freeware/shareware packages
without violating any law?
Any replies would be appreciated.
James.
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From: Devesh Mistry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Help with installing source code package using RPM
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:55:46 -0400
Hi Everyone,
I am trying to install one of source code package
(telnet-0.10-5.src.rpm) located on CD-2 of redhat's 5.2 version of
distribution.
Every time i try to use "rpm -ivh /mnt/cdrom/SRPMS/tel*" command, it
prints following:
telnet ##################################### (not sure about exact
number of hashes)
And then when i use "rpm -q /mnt/cdrom/SRPMS/tel*" command it gives me
following
package /mnt/cdrom/SRPMS/telnet* is not installed
Can anyone help me out as to why i am not able to install?
Another question:
When i use the GUI version of rpm (glint) and i try to click "available"
button for /mnt/cdrom/SRPMS directory, it always comes up with an error
message that "there are no packages available at that location". Is
there any "trick" involved?
Any help is greatly appreciated. As you can tell, i am a new user of
linux.
And also if it helps, i am running it on a pentium based pc.
thanks,
devesh
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Combined Host BUS and RedHat 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5)
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:26:49 GMT
Hello. I just upgraded to RedHat 6.0 and got
totally frustrated after doing so because now my
PCI bus isn't detected properly. I went to the
Redhat support page and guess what they added
between 5.2 and 6.0.....incompatibility for my
motherboard. I have a combined host bus adapter
for my DRAM, PCI, IDE, and soundcard. I can use
my IDE chain successfully, and my soundcard
successfully, but when I go to use X, it can't
find my PCI bus. I know it's an unsupported
motherboard, but does anyone know if this was
fixed any time in the 2.2.6-2.2.10 patches, or if
there is possibly a 2.3 kernel that might solve my
problems. I love RH 6, it is sweet, and I run it
on my laptop. I just can't get it to run on my
desktop. I'm willing to run out and buy a 40
dollar motherboard if that is what it is going to
take to get it working.
Thanks for your time.
--
Andrew Freiberger
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:26:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Art S. Kagel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No. What is meant by multiple reads/writes is that SCSI can read and write to
> all 7 or 15 devices on it's bus simultaneously while EIDE can only access one
> of the two devices on each channel at a time.
That's right
> Also since EIDE controllers tend
> to not be as intelligent as SCSI controllers I do not think, I am not certain,
> that a mulit-channer EIDE controller can access even separate channels in
> parallel.
They can, because they are two separate devices. Each has its own interrupt
and its own IO-Address.
> Then there is Tagged Queuing which allows the SCSI controller to reorder reads
> and even writes to optimize drive access. In a multi-user, and especially an
> SMP, environment SCSI always out performs EIDE.
> The benchmark you quote sounds
> suspiciously like a single user WinXX test to me.
It is indeed. That's why I thought it would match Day D.'s posting. I would
never use IDE in a server or a similar high power system, but in a
workstation, things are a bit different.
CU
Stefan
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From: Jeff Silverman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: timing a subroutine
Date: 28 Jul 1999 07:22:35 GMT
I am trying to time a subroutine with millisecond precision. I know it can be done
because Java
does it - I just don't know how. The problem with functions that work on time_t is
that they have
precision of a second - that's too long for a subroutine.
Many thanks,
Jeff
--
Jeff Silverman, PC guy, Linux wannabe, Java wannabe, Software engineer, husband,
father etc.
See my website: http://www.commercialventvac.com/~jeffs
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Subject: Re: Warning! The eclipse approaches... {5.6b}
Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:42:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:00:08 -0500,
reject <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>ANSWER THIS: Are you prepared?
Yep, turned off core dumps with ulimit and the release of kernel 2.4
shortly should clean up the rest of the problems. Looks like a blue
screen day for those in the MS newsgroups, though.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: "propsync" <NOSPAM [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: PPP and Linux
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:44:37 -0400
It seems to me that everytime someone complains about no internet
connection, they are using redhat. Here is what I believe the problem to
be. During redhat setup, if you configure a lan, you are asked about what
the gateway address is. If you attempt to just tab over the field, redhat
will put some default address of it's own in there. I have no clue why the
hell they do that! If you don't have a gateway, this field must be left
blank or it will not work for sure. If you are using Kppp, dont put
anything in the nameserver fields either. Let Kppp handle this. This
question comes up everyday.
Gregor Gregorič wrote in message <7o1t65$kja$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I have a problem with PPP. I connect with KPPP on internet and i can't open
>pages in netscape or talk on IRC like computer doesnt know that he is
>connected to internet. Please help.
>
>Thx
>
>Greg
>
>
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From: "Lord Byron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Large HD Access Problem
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:28:32 -0500
I just bought a new Western Digital 20.4 gig HD to add to my existing 8.4
gig drive. I ran the EZ-Drive software that came with the drive and
formatted it as a FAT32 drive, because I am currently dual-booting Win98 and
Linux. Windows recognizes it and it shows up properly in My Computer and
the Device Manager. The first couple of times when I booted into Linux, it
was also recognized, and I was able to mount it and read/write to it.
Around the third time that I rebooted into Linux, it stopped recognizing the
drive. It doesn't show up in the boot any more, and when I try to mount it,
it says it's an invalid block device. I tried remaking the devices, but
that didn't work either. I can still access it in Windows, so I know it's
not a bad drive. I know Linux has the < 1024 cylinder boot problem, but
this drive isn't being booted, it's just used for data storage. Can someone
suggest a possible solution? thanks in advance for any answers.
--
Chad Hjelle
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 2 Aug 1999 21:48:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 2 Aug 1999 04:14:17 +0100,
Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> passed through. My first computer was a Timex Sinclair 1000 -- the
>> first disposable computer. Still have a tray of audio tapes from that.
>
>Do you have xz81? (The ZX81/TS1000 emulator on your linux box?)
I did try it out a long while ago. It was faithful to the point of
crashing at the slightest provocation. :) I really want something that
will load the old programs from cassette, I don't wanna look at the old
keyboard to see what key I should be pressing....
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
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From: Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: c++ grammer
Date: 02 Aug 1999 23:45:25 +0100
De Messemaeker Johan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> jievis wrote:
> > Where can I find the grammer for C++ writen in lex( or flex) and yacc
> >
> > (or bison),
> >
> > Thanks in advance
>
> Hmm, i'm also interested in this. And the ANSI SQL-grammar too :-)
gcc contains a C++ grammar. It's not necessarily an easily usable
one, depending on what you want to do. There's also one based on
PCCTS (i.e., not lex or yacc), which includes a preprocessor (there
are two grammars---one for the preprocessor, one for preprocessed
code). And TenDRA <URL:http://alph.dra.hmg.gb/TenDRA/> contains a C++
parser, encoded in its own parser-generator language; it also includes
C.
PostgreSQL, <URL:http://www.postgresql.org/>, contains an SQL grammar.
It may not be quite complete, but it's probably pretty close.
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From: "Alexander Berezhnoy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Question: where can I download any LINUX?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 22:34:58 GMT
Hi !
I have quetion about SUBJ. Better - smolest version.
(sorry for my bad English...)
With best regards
Alexander Berezhnoy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (benjamin j snyder)
Subject: ttf?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 20:52:38 GMT
Is there a way to get TTFs? to work in RH6.0? I've seen mention of a TTF
server, but seem to be unable to find a how-to or anything like that.
Thanks in advance to those who reply.
--
Ben Snyder
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From: Jim McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Scriptong Question
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 19:22:35 +0000
I'm trying to get this simple bash shell script to run, and I always
get a syntax errot at line 7. I'm probably missing something obvious,
but I can't see my mistake. Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thankx in advance
Jim McIntyre
phonefile=/home/webmaster/scripts/phone.list
2 while true
3 do
4 echo "First Name (stop to exit):"
5 read fname
6 case $fname in
7 [Ss][Tt][Oo][Pp]) exit ;;
8 esac
9 echo "Last name:"
10 read lname
11 echo "$fname $lname's phone extension:"
12 read phnbr
13 correct=n
14 until [ $correct=y ]
15 do
16 echo "1. $fname"
17 echo "2. $lname"
18 echo "3. $phnbr"
19 echo "Is this correct: (y/n):"
20 read answer
21 case $answer in
22 [Yy]*) correct=y ;;
23 *) echo "Number to correct:"
24 read nbr
25 case $nbr in
26 1)echo "First Name:"
27 read fname ;;
28 2)echo "Last Name:"
29 read lname ;;
30 3)echo "Phone Number:"
31 read phnbr ;;
32 esac ;;
33 esac
34 done
35 echo "$lname, $fname's $phnbr" >> phonefile
36 done
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LOST ROOT PASSWORD
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:09:27 GMT
This is why they invented keyboard locks, CPU case locks, and cabinet
locks. This "trick" can be used on any number of UNIX platforms. I
think the only thing I've witnessed that would not allow this is NT.
-Andrew
> not very secure is it ?
> in theory anyone can walk up to a LINUX box and change the root
> password.
> my advice don't leave your LINUX boxes insecure.
> A sedentary life, as I have already said elsewhere, is the real sin
against the Holy Ghost.
> -Nietzsche
>
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From: Dan Bizuneh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: RH 6.0 and Iomega PP zip driver
Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:12:33 -0600
root wrote:
> Dan Bizuneh wrote:
>
> > During the installation of RH 5.2 a while back, I chose Iomega PP zip
> > drive from the scsi list, redhat recognized my parallel port zip drive
> > and everything went well. But when I try to upgrade to RH 6.0, redhat
> > was unable to auto probe my parallel port zip drive. Does anyone know
> > how I can make my parallel port zip drive work on RH 6.0?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Dan Bizuneh
>
> Howdy All,
>
> I went thru this grief over the last week.
>
> What I did was as follows.
>
> Firstly, kill the lpd daemon. It should not be running BEFORE you do
> anything about the Zip disk.
>
> Then, 'modprobe ppa' and I get all sorts of messages about the ppa firing
> up.
>
> Make sure you have a zip disk in the drive.
>
> Then enter, 'mount -t vfat /dev/sda4 /mnt/zip' (the last parameter is
> where your mount point is)
>
> All should then be peachy.
>
> Fire up the lpd daemon again.
>
> I concur about making sure the parallel port should be in bidirectional
> mode first up.
>
> Give me a holler if you need more help.
>
Thanks for the help, your approach worked!
> PS The above procedure worked for me so good luck.
>
> PG
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IDE vs scsi?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 23:21:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
> In article <7o23rh$h3u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ehlen) writes:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
>>> In article <7o184t$7s4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stefan Ehlen) writes:
>>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>> coffee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>>>
>>>> IBM DJNA 9,1GB E-IDE, Ultra-DMA, 7200U/min 359.00 DM
>>>> IBM DDRS 9100MB, UW/U2W-SCSI, 7200U/min 652.00 DM
>>>
>>> I notice these are both 7200 rpm drives. Since it's not hard to find
>>> SCSI drives that spin at 10,000 rpm, I rather doubt if the SCSI drive, at
>>> least, is really the fastest available.
>>
>> No, of course not! The test I quoted was about some new models and by no
>> means a complete overview.
>
> In the message to which I replied, though, you stated:
>
>> The fastest SCSI and the fastest EIDE drives are really close together.
>> C'T, a german magazine which is known for good (real life) benchmarking,
>> tests nearly all available drives on the market. In 9/99, there were 12
>> drives testet. Fastest drive was the IBM DRVS-18V Ultrastar 18 ZX (17.5 GB,
>> U2W-SCSI), mean transfer rate 11.7 MB/sec. Fastest EIDE drive was IBM
>> DJNA-371350 Deskstar 22 GXP (13GB), mean transfer rate 10.8 MB/sec - that's
>> around 8 percent slower.
>
> This makes it sound as if the claim is that these were the fastest drives
> available from both categories. The first sentence uses "fastest" twice
> without any indication that this is fastest in a limited category of
> tests. The rest of the paragraph uses "fastest" twice with such a caveat,
> but given the first sentence, it sounds like the test was designed to get
> at the fastest drives available.
The first sentence was meant in an absolute way. I simply forgot the
existence of 10000rpm SCSI-drives and that there are far bigger SCSI than
EIDE drives. Therefore this first sentence is wrong and only applies to
drives that are comparable both in rpm and (approximately) in size. The
rest was meant as an example.
>>> But SCSI supports 7 (or 15, with Wide varieties) devices *PER HOST
>>> ADAPTER,* and hence *PER INTERRUPT.* Since EIDE requires one interrupt
>>> per two devices, that 8-device support will require *FOUR INTERRUPTS!*
>>
>> Again, I agree. The need for 4 Interrupts is a big disadvantage, but how
>> long will this last?
>
> Unless something is planned to come out VERY soon that lets EIDE do more
> than 2 devices per interrupt, "how long will it last" isn't a terribly
> useful question, IMHO, for current purchases. I've got four
> *NON-HARD-DISK* devices on my main system's SCSI bus *TODAY*. Future
> advances in EIDE don't make much difference to me now.
I agree. The keyword here is 'to me'
> If you're buying
> a drive today and plan to expand the bus later, future EIDE capabilities
> might be important, but then you'd need to plan on buying a new EIDE
> controller or motherboard in the future. If the future standards break
> current hardware, you'd also have to ditch what you've just bought.
Your're describing exactly what happened to me: I bought an (at this time)
rather expensive FAST SCSI controller and a (really expensive) hard disk,
because IDE did not seem to match my FUTURE requirements. When it was time
to upgrade, there was EIDE which was cheaper and made my FAST controller
look really old, so I spend much money for nothing. (Later I needed SCSI
for my streamer. At this time, the price of the controller was down to
about 50% of what I payed). That's why I decided to buy now, what I need
now and buy in the future, what I need in the future.
> In other words: A bird in the hand is better than two in the bush.
>>> Also, SCSI supports filling the capacity of a bus with transfers from
>>> arbitrary devices. So, suppose you've got a 40MB/s UltraWide SCSI bus and
>>> four 10MB/s hard disks. You can use RAID or just plain ordinary transfers
>>> from all drives to get something very close to 40MB/s total throughput.
>>> With four 10GB EIDE drives on two 33MB/s (or even 66MB/s) controllers, the
>>> most you'd get would be 20MB/s, since each bus would be taken over by a
>>> single drive while its doing its transfers.
>>
>> That's right, too, but the initial question was about buying ONE and only
>> ONE hard drive. So this considerations simply don't apply.
>
> True, but the original poster also seemed to be very interested in raw
> speed, since that's the ONLY question asked. If raw speed is important, a
> RAID array of two or more smaller disks will probably be faster than a
> single bigger disk. Besides, it's natural topic drift. ;-)
And I'm afraid the drifting speed increases ;-)
>>> Overall and IMHO, SCSI still beats EIDE for high-end situations requiring
>>> multiple devices or the best possible disk speed. EIDE is adequate for
>>> low-end situations involving just a single hard disk and one CD-ROM
>>> drive. Add more devices and they start bumping into each other.
>>
>> That's what I meant when I said that there must be good reasons before it
>> pays to buy SCSI. Adding a single drive is IMHO NOT a good reason,
>> concerning the price/perfomance ratio, even if it means that the CDROM and
>> one hard disk share one interrupt.
>
> For the average low-end system, you're probably right, though I've some
> qualms about that "adding" bit (two hard disks and one CD-ROM fare worse
> than one hard disk and one CD-ROM on EIDE, and if you're adding one to two
> existing hard disks, it's even worse for EIDE). IMHO, with EIDE, it's
> generally best to REPLACE, rather than ADD, a hard disk.
I tend to agree (again ;-) ), although it might be nice to have small second
hard disk for swapping.
> This is
> especially true if you have devices like Zip drives, CD-R burners, etc.,
> chewing up EIDE connections. In fact, the fact that you can use more SCSI
> devices means that they may have longer lifetimes, thus reducing the size
> of future hard disk purchases and lowering future SCSI costs. That's a
> factor that almost never gets mentioned in the SCSI-vs-EIDE debates.
For Zip and all this I kept my FAST SCSI. It's fast enough and rather
cheap.
With the longer lifetimes your're most probably right: Seagate gives 3
years warranty on EIDE and 5 years on SCSI drives (with a few exceptions).
As I learned in this thread, the price difference between SCSI and EIDE
seems to be much smaller in the USA than in Germany. Another point to take
into account...
But not now, I'm tired and want to go to bed!
I hope it's all clear now!
CU
Stefan
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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: brain teaser
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:33:08 +0100
Anders Linden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The command is "dir"
Nope. Not a linux command.
It's just there for the poor deluded microsofties who can't remember it's
really ls...
>> The listings in NT and MS-DOS are different, so they make different things.
>> In Linux it's an alias, so it can be disabled, right?
Exactly. It's not a common command between the two OSes.
No alias is, they're set up by others.
I could alias `rm -r *` as nuke if I wanted, but that doesn't make it a
linux command...
> dir?
Some distros set up a few default aliases...
That's all.
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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just a suggestion...
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:19:45 +0100
Jim McIntyre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jeff Goodman wrote:
> Good idea. Ww don't need this stuff. I don't know who administers this
> group, but it should be possible to block postings from any of the
> offenders' e-mail addresses.
This is an unmoderated group.
No-one "administers" it.
I agree though. The topics shouldn't be here.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: [Q] linux license?
Date: 2 Aug 1999 23:00:07 GMT
On 2 Aug 1999 21:56:21 GMT,
student <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Hi!
>
> I have some administrative questions.
> As a end user, I've been wondering the question related to
> the license of linux.
> Specifically, for example, many linux OSes
> such as RedHat, Slackware, Debian, etc
> have 'free' or 'share' packages of gnu society
> for compilers, editors, xterms, etc, in their CDROM.
> In that case, the company of RedHat or Slackware or Debian
> need to pay some license fee to 'gnu' society?
You mean the Free Software Foundation? No.
> (Or to any person that made free/share packages called freeware/shareware).
> Or they don't need to pay to them at all.
You don't need to pay them.
You don't need to register, etc.
> If they do not need to pay at all, can I(as an end user)
> sell my own CDROM that has such freeware/shareware packages
> without violating any law?
For "freeware/shareware" you should look at the license on the package.
Free Software is 'free' as in 'Free Speech', not necessarily 'Free
Beer': it can certainly be sold, and the Free Software Foundation itself
has sold software for years.
You are specifically granted the right to redistribute GNU software for
free, for 'cost' or even for profit. However, since you have to pass
the same right onto others, anyone else can undercut your prices. If
you wish to make money, you'll probably have to focus on something like
selling a book that has the software as a freebie, or buy the cd and get
support, etc.
Ethically, it is good for karma to sponsor FSF projects (Red Hat, for
example, pays several developers to work on GNOME and other projects).
Such 'investments' are not mandatory, but they are encouraged.
See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html
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