Linux-Misc Digest #320, Volume #21                Sat, 7 Aug 99 13:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Have you heard? ("Byron")
  Re: Linux reference OR bOOK (Ray)
  load balancing between intensive processes on SMP box (Matthew Zenkar)
  Full-screen debugger for Linux? ("Steve Snyder")
  Re: Converting from vfat to fat32 ("Charles Sullivan")
  Re: Linux assembly, etc (Kaz Kylheku)
  Re: currencies (Gerald Willmann)
  Re: Must root and swap partitions be primary? (fred smith)
  Re: mounting problems ("Charles Sullivan")
  Re: Undo Partition ("Charles Sullivan")
  Re: What I think of linux. (Jeff Workman)
  Where to get ICQ ("c64")
  Re: let the Holy War commence... (Heeeeeeeez back!)
  Re: Help!!! Sound Card OPTi 82C924 (David Pace)
  Transfering Bootdisk Image to be used with loadlin ("c64")
  Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss? (Heeeeeeeez 
back!)
  Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Hobbyist ©)
  DDS-3 SCSI Tape Drive + Red Hat 6.0 (Fitz Siapno)
  Re: GNOME log-out (Leonard Evens)

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From: "Byron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: Have you heard?
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:14:34 GMT

Perhaps I am different in this way....

The way I see it, I am doing Microsoft a favor by attacking this site.
Several people I know are making this into a "bigger dick" contest; to see
who can do the most damage, etc.  This is what Microsoft wants people to do.
Personally, I would rather do nothing to assist Microsoft and let them debug
and stress-test their own damned code.  It seems that no matter what,
Microsoft has a knack for insisting that users do its bug-hunting and beta
testing for it.  I do not intend to participate.

--
None of my opinions stated here are intended
to speak for or represent my employer.  After
all, I'm supposed to be working.


Justin B Willoughby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7oeuor$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> [Cross Postings Reduced]
>
> Oystein Viggen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> > "Nathan Neal" wrote:
> >
> >> Microsoft challenges hackers to break into Windows 2000
> >>
> >> In a controversial move, Microsoft Corporation has made one of its
Windows
> >> 2000 Servers on the Internet available to hackers, inviting people to
> >> attempt to break in. The goal: To make Windows 2000 as industrial
strength
> >> as possible. The company says it is looking for any "magic bullet"
attacks
> >> that can kill it, and has asked hackers to follow some simple rules so
that
> >> they can determine the validity of any attacks. Since the server went
online
> >> Tuesday morning, it has yet to be hacked.
> >                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > That's probably correct. It has crashed several times since then,
> > though...  :)
> >
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=99/08/05/1248205&mode=thread
>
>
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2309474,00.html?chkpt=hpqs014
> [Microsoft to hackers: Crack this!  But Windows 2000 test server appears
> to have crashed without any help.]
>
> - Justin
> --
>    _/     _/_/_/  _/    _/  _/    _/ _/   _/   RULES!! * LINUX RULES *
>   _/       _/    _/_/  _/  _/    _/   _/_/     Justin Willoughby
>  _/       _/    _/  _/_/  _/    _/     _/      http://justinw.net
> _/_/_/ _/_/_/  _/    _/  _/_/_/_/    _/ _/     ---- Jesus Is Lord ----



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ray)
Subject: Re: Linux reference OR bOOK
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 15:01:37 GMT

On Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:45:28 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
wrote:

>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:14:51 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>(Rod Smith) wrote:
>>
>>>>I have.  O'Reilly tends to leave their books for years without updating
>>>them, so they lose relevance over time.  For instance, the O'Reilly book,
>>>
>>what about linux in a nutshell ?
>>i was thinking of buying it.
>
>It's a command reference, and I don't imagine the commands would 
>change that much.

Plus, it's just been updated to a third edition.  Additionally,
sometime this month they're releasing "Running Linux" (supposedly a
very good book, from all that I hear) in a new edition.  I think they
may be catching on to that fact that they need to update their Linux
line. :-)  Now, if they'd just update some of the books in their
multi-volume set devoted to X.  There aren't any good, recent books
out there devoted to X Window, and one is really needed.  O'Reilly's
are on the order of 6 years old, or so.  sheesh!

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthew Zenkar)
Subject: load balancing between intensive processes on SMP box
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 14:00:46 GMT

Hi,

I am wondering if there is some sort of automated tool that does load
balancing in SMP linux for computationally intensive processes?

I have RedHat 6.0 and I am running the 2.2.5-22 Kernel on a dual PII
300 box.  I have a couple of computationally intensive processes,
however, the first one started seems to invariably take priority for
CPU time and the second one slows down much more than I'd like.

Does anyone know more about this or where I might find more info?

Thanks in advance!

If replying via e-mail remover from "-" to "-" inclusive from my reply
to address.

Matthew


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
From: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Steve Snyder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Full-screen debugger for Linux?
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 16:01:21 GMT

Can anyone recommend a full-screen debugger for Linux that can run in
a telnet window?  I'm looking for something like SoftICE (or, for you
old-timers, Periscope) , a debugger that will dynamically display
80x86 register and memory values as instructions are single-stepped
though.  Preferably, the debugger would also allow me to debug device 
drivers.

I understand that, unlike Linux itself, some of the features I'm 
looking for are 80x86-specific.

Either commercial or freeware/shareware is ok.  I'm more interested in
features than price.

Thank you.


***** Steve Snyder *****




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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Converting from vfat to fat32
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:01:18 -0400

There's a utility to do this in Win 98.  It won't affect the
Linux partitions.  Note that only Linux kernels 2.0.34 and later
support FAT32, so verify that's what you've got before making
the change (if you intend to access your Win partition from
Linux).

Harvey Scobie wrote in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I know that Linux supports fat32. What I would like to know is if it
possible
>to convert an existing windows partitioned drive to fat32  and what effect
if
>any this would have on the Linux partitions.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kaz Kylheku)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Linux assembly, etc
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 16:06:06 GMT

On Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:30:39 GMT, JC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hello,
>(This is probably for those ex-DOS assembly language programmers.)

Please fix your news posting software so that it does not add carriage
return characters to the ends of you lines.

>I've been writing programs in linux and I've been wanting to
>port many of DOS programs, mainly graphics-based. 
>In DOS, you use OS calls extensively, for example, in printing
>a character....
>.
>.
>.
>mov ah,02
>mov dl,'J'
>int 21h     ;DOS call to print 'J' using function 2 in ah register
>int 20h     ;DOS call to exit the program

This isn't really assembly language. It's assembly language linkage
to an operating-system specific system call. Whereas it's certainly
possible in Linux (at least on i386) platforms to manipulate the
contents of the AH and DL registers, the DOS-specific ``int 21h''
extension isn't available.

The Linux system calls are routed through int $0x80. The EAX register holds the
system call number, and then EBX, ECX, and EDX, ESI and EDI are used for
additional arguments. Or so I remember.

Have a look at /usr/include/syscall-list.h for the system call numbers that go
into EAX. The meaning of the other arguments depends on the system call. For
example, in read() system call,  EBX has the file descriptor number, ECX has
the pointer to the buffer and EDX carries the size. The result is returned
in the EAX register. It's either a negated errno code, like -EBADF,
or a non-negative number indicating how many characters were read.

>the equivalent in linux would probably be:
>     asm ("movb $2, %ah");
>     asm ("movb $9, %dl");
>     asm ("int $0x21");
>     asm ("int $0x20");
>(in inline assembly, which I intend to use)

That is merely a transliteration. To obtain a true equivalent, you
must translate the *meaning*. 

In Linux, there is nothing so silly as a separate single-character output
function. Processes are supposed to buffer their output as much as possible and
try to make fewer system calls which transfer a lot of data at once.  To print
a single character, you have to send buffer of length 1 to the write() system
call. You load the code for write() into EAX, the output file
descriptor into EBX, a pointer to the buffer containing the letter "J"
into ECX and the value 1 into EDX. The exit system call takes a single
parameter: the exit status in EBX.

You could link your assembly language program to libc, in which case you 
could call the function write() if you took care to obey its calling
conventions. Push the parameters in reverse order and then clean
up the stack yourself.

Or you could load the registers and invoke the system call through
int $0x80 directly.

Here is the program:

    .text
    .globl _start
    _start:
        movl $4, %eax
        movl $1, %ebx
        movl $letter, %ecx
        movl $2, %edx
        int $0x80
        movl $1, %eax
        movl $0, %ebx
        int $0x80
    .data
    letter:
        .ascii "J\n"

Save it as "j.asm", assemble with "as j.asm -o j.o". Then link
with "ld j.o -o j". You should then be able to run "./j" which
should produce the letter J. I made it output two characters,
so that the J doesn't appear juxtaposed to your shell prompt.

>I know that these calls are totally useless in linux and I was
>wondering if these calls have equivalents in linux. I'm not just
>talking about those two calls, I'm talking about OS calls in general.
>Where can I find them?

The best way is to learn the system calls in C. They are documented in man
pages. You can also look at the kernel sources.  It's easy to determine the
assembly level calling convention from the C syntax for a given system call.
(Not all library functions are system calls, of course, and not all system
calls have corresponding library functions.)

I don't see why you would want to do this.  Assembly language gives you next to
no increase in efficiency if what you are doing is calling the operating
system.  Assembly language is best for speeding up tight loops which don't
interact with the operating system.

Your assembly language programs will not work for people who run Linux
on their PPC's, Alpha's, SPARCs or what have you.

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From: Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: currencies
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:23:50 -0700

On 7 Aug 1999, Richard Kulisz wrote:

> You're assuming that if the USA prints more dollars then its currency
> will go down. That's precisely my bloody point; it will *not*.

Paul Krugman has a nice collection of anecdotes where he explains why it
*will* go down (email me if you want the exact reference). And now please
take your political contributions elsewhere. This has nothing to do with
Linux.
                Gerald

-- 
Gerald Willmann           Department of Economics
96F Escondido Vlg.        Stanford University
Stanford, CA 94305        CA 94305-6072, USA



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (fred smith)
Subject: Re: Must root and swap partitions be primary?
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:40:03 GMT

Duy D. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > You can't put LILO's boot block thingy on a logical partition.
: >
: > You *can* put it on an extended partition that *contains* logical
: > partitions, but some Linux tools don't know about this and don't
: > permit it (I remember a RedHat install not permitting this for
: > example; don't know what version).

: You *can* put LILO on a logical partition, but not an extended partition.  You
: can't write data to an extended partition.

: > Each extended partition can contain up to four logical volumes itself.
: > So, you should be able to get up to 16 useful partitions, if you have
: > no primary partitions -- but I'd say it's not a good idea, as that
: > configuration is pretty unusual and isn't going to have been as
: > thoroughly tested.

: You can have only one extended partition on a disk, and I'm pretty sure you can
: have more than four logical partitions within the extended partition.
: 1 extended partition + 3 primary partitions = 4 primary partitions.

Here's the output of fdisk on one of my IDE drives:

   Device Boot    Start      End   Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hdb1             1       77   310432+   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/hdb2            78      785  2854656    5  Extended
/dev/hdb5            78       90    52384+  82  Linux swap
/dev/hdb6            91      351  1052320+  83  Linux native
/dev/hdb7           352      358    28192+  83  Linux native
/dev/hdb8           359      428   282208+  83  Linux native
/dev/hdb9           429      619   770080+  83  Linux native
/dev/hdb10          620      785   669280+  83  Linux native

Although this is now hdb it used to be hda, with the same partitions.
Lilo is installed on the MBR, and all the Linux partitions are inside
the extended partition, including swap, root, boot, etc. Works fine
this way.

it is now (as you can see) the second hard drive, but it still carries
all my Linux partitions inside that extended partition, and lilo is
now installed on the MBR of /dev/hda (which, unfortunately, contains
a Windoze installation).

so, yes, you can easily install Linux in an extended partition.

Fred

--
---- Fred Smith -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----------------------------
  "For him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you before his 
 glorious presence without fault and with great joy--to the only God our Savior
 be glory, majesty, power and authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before
                     all ages, now and forevermore! Amen."
============================= Jude 1:24,25 (niv) =============================

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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mounting problems
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:06:13 -0400

What version of Linux are you using?  Only kernel versions
2.0.34 and later understand FAT 32.

Dr. Darren M. Crotchett wrote in message ...
>I'm running into a problem mounting my Windows disk.
>
>When typing "mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /mnt/win" (no quotes of course).  I
get
>the following error:
>
>[MS-DOS FS Rel. 12, FAT 32, check=n, conv=b, uid=0, gid=0, umask=022, bmap]
>[me=0xf8, cs=8, #f=2, fs=32, fl=4016, ds=8064, de=0, data=8064, se=0,
>ts=4120641, ls=512, rc=2, fc=175844]
>Transaction block size=512
>VFS:  Can't find a valid MSDOS filesystem on dev 03:01.
>Mount:  wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, or too many
>mounted file systems
>
>When I check to see what's mounted with the "mount" command, it returns the
>following:
>
>/dev/hdc1 on / type ext2 (rw)
>none on /proc type /proc (rw)
>none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw, mode=0622)
>
>Any suggestions would be welcome.
>
>Darren
>
>
>
>
>


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From: "Charles Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Undo Partition
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:14:15 -0400

If you're running Windows, Partition Magic 4.0 can be used
to delete your Linux partitions and expand the Windows
partition without losing data (but be sure to have a backup
in case something goes wrong).  Then run DOS 'FDISK.EXE /MBR'
to remove LILO from your boot partition.

Scott wrote in message <7ohaus$1lfk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I'm going to be installing Linux soon, but am concerned about partitioning
>my HD,   Is there anyway to unpartition it  if I uninstall Linux?  I'd
>prefer to not have to reformat the entire disk to do it.
>
>Scott
>
>


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From: Jeff Workman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.linux.sux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: What I think of linux.
Date: 07 Aug 1999 12:52:13 -0400

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"PS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


26 years.  First used Apple ][e's, first machine was a Coleco ADAM.  Then
 graduated to an Apple ][c and thought that I ruled because I had a whopping 
128K RAM.  Took a hiatus from computers altogether for a while, then after the
internet started getting popular, and my mom bought a P100 in 1995, I got back
into them again.  Got tired of Windows 95 real fast and learned about Linux.
Soon thereafter, I bought a used 486DX2, installed Slackware 3.0 on it, and
haven't looked back since!  Now I've got 4 machines running Linux and OpenBSD.


> 33 years.
> First programmable machine: TI-57 programmable calculator with 50-step
> memory.
> Second - Casio PB-110 handheld computer(that's what they called it) running
> BASIC on 534bytes memory.
> Then graduated to PCs.
> 
> Robert Crawford wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >We had mostly Apple II (CA, USA)
> >
> >Jon Skeet wrote:
> >
> >> Ataris and C64s in the classroom? Interesting... which country was that
> >> in? In the UK I believe most schools used BBC Micros.
> >
> >
> >--
> >Robert Crawford
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >www.snowcrest.net/robertc
> >Linux and vi, the choice powertools of the next century.
> 
> 
 

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From: "c64" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Where to get ICQ
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:51:16 +0800

Does anyone know where to get ICQ for linux? I have search mirabilis but
found nothing. tks




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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: let the Holy War commence...
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:13:09 +0100

StuntPope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>       
> http://linux.versus.ms/

What'd'y'mean commence?
It's been going on for years...
:)
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |    "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste!     |
|    Andrew Halliwell BSc   |     I can SMELL!!!  KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel    |
|             in            |     and get out the puncture repair kit!"      |
|      Computer Science     |        Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf          |
==============================================================================
|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+  w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!|  Space for hire  |
==============================================================================

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From: David Pace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Help!!! Sound Card OPTi 82C924
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:00:22 -0400

Tom Breton wrote:

> "Pedro Kiefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I'm having a little bit of trouble trying to setup my sound card.
> > Can anyone help me? My sound card has an OPTi 82C924 chipset.
> > Which is the ez way to i configure it?
> >
>
> The OPTi chip series does not work well with Linux.  I had an OPTi
> 82C930, and after trying many things, the only way I could fix it was
> to switch to a different sound card, which has run trouble-free ever
> since.
>
> --
> Tom Breton, http://world.std.com/~tob
> Ugh-free Spelling (no "gh") http://world.std.com/~tob/ugh-free.html

Alternatively, you could buy the sound driver
from OSS.

http://www.opensound.com/

--
Free commodity/stock graphing software
and Linux links at http://www.daveware.com




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From: "c64" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Transfering Bootdisk Image to be used with loadlin
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:37:43 +0800

How do I transfer bootdisk into a image so I can use in loadlin? cleaner to
boot from dos that way.

tks




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From: Heeeeeeeez back! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why do I lose my entire system at restart, how to minimize loss?
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:49:09 +0100

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I hadn't either prior to "upgrading" from RedHat 5.2 to Mandrake 6.0.
> Since then my system has had the power cut out from under it on four
> separate occasions by the local utility putzing around.  On rebooting,
> in every case, the init scripts forced me to give the root password in
> order to run fsck manually because the fsck run by the init scripts
> found errors it didn't seem to know what to do with.  The other option
> it gives you is to hit CTRL-D to continue booting normally but if you
> do that it shuts down and reboots; 

Which is normal. <ctrl-D> is not "comtinue booting". It is "exit emergency
shell and reboot" in this situation....

In fact, it's the ONLY way you can exit the emergency shell safely.

-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
| [EMAIL PROTECTED] |    "I'm alive!!! I can touch! I can taste!     |
|    Andrew Halliwell BSc   |     I can SMELL!!!  KRYTEN!!! Unpack Rachel    |
|             in            |     and get out the puncture repair kit!"      |
|      Computer Science     |        Arnold Judas Rimmer- Red Dwarf          |
==============================================================================
|GCv3.12 GCS>$ d-(dpu) s+/- a C++ US++ P L/L+ E-- W+ N++ o+ K PS+  w-- M+/++ |
|PS+++ PE- Y t+ 5++ X+/X++ R+ tv+ b+ DI+ D+ G e++ h/h+ !r!|  Space for hire  |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hobbyist ©)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:32:35 -0400

In reply to your posted message, Richard Kulisz, written on 7 Aug 1999
10:00:17 GMT:

Þ GNU/Linux is /in conflict/ with MS Crudware and though many people
Þ would be happy to blow up Redmond with a tactical nuclear warhead,
Þ I don't believe this is motivated by a desire for Linux to "win"
Þ but a sincere wish to exterminate a plague on modern civilization.
Þ 
Þ Self-preservation (greed) is sufficient reason to want to eliminate
Þ slavery, you don't need to invoke "competition" with slavers.

I assume that you mean that M$ is imposing slavery upon us all. If I'm
indeed correct would you care to explain why? I feel free to use whatever I
want to. This monopoly was attained by no use of force as is used in the
context of slavery.

Why the IMMENSE exaggeration?



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From: Fitz Siapno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: DDS-3 SCSI Tape Drive + Red Hat 6.0
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:44:11 -0700

Hello,

I am shopping for a DDS-3 tape drive (internal), and I found Scorpion 24
from Seagate (Model: STD224000N-SB).  I would like to know if this tape
drive is compatible Red Hat 6 and with Adaptec 2940UW.  I read the
HOWTO's documents, but I just want to make sure before spending
dollars.  I would also like to hear other recomended DDS-3 SCSI tape
drives (internal).

Please send a copy of your reply to my email, and thank you for yor
help.

Fitz

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: GNOME log-out
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:00:45 -0500

Mark J Cavage wrote:
> 
> here's a minimal, but interesting problem.
> I have the neomagic x-server, i can use everything in GNOME fine(redhat
> 6.0), however, when I try to use the graphical logout, it freezes up, I can
> still kill it with cntrl-alt-backspace, but I was just wondering if anyone
> has some hints on this, I have a suspician it has to do with the GNOMe
> panels, but I dont know how to go about editing it to fix this.
> Thanks ,
> Mark Cavage
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

There has been a problem with the gnome session manager.
This evidences itself by gnome taking a long time to come
up when logging in (although usually only after booting,
and not always then) and not being able to log out.  If
you look in .xsession-errors while logged in, you may see
lots of comments aoubt MIT MAGIC COOKIE and authentication
errors.   

You may be able to fix your problem by upgrading gnome-core
and gnome-libs.  But the problem seems to be sporadic, and I
don't know if the cause has been tracked down.

-- 

Leonard Evens      [EMAIL PROTECTED]      847-491-5537
Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208

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