Linux-Misc Digest #510, Volume #24 Thu, 18 May 00 05:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Can't see MAN command output (Treasury)
FWD- Red Hat is indeed the Bugs Hat and the suckest distro amongst the (Alex Lam)
Re: average load of > 1 and 97% idle time??? (Andreas Kahari)
DNS Doesn't want to work ("Peet Grobler")
Re: DNS Doesn't want to work (Scott Wallace)
Wanted: Advice for using gcc (Thomas Hommel)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: Novell Login (Philipp Maier)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: WYSIWYG web page generator (Mark Wilden)
Re: Redhat6.2 Network bug ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: newbie's questions (Richard Steiner)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (David Steuber)
Re: FWD- Red Hat is indeed the Bugs Hat and the suckest distro amongst the Linux
distros. (JosB)
Re: DNS Doesn't want to work (Matt)
[Help] Removing remote printer jobs (Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez)
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From: Treasury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Can't see MAN command output
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:44:15 +0800
I have just upgraded my RH Linux 6.1 to 6.2, and all seems to have
worked well except for one point:
When I do a "man <something>" command, I get just a blank screen with a
highlighted "END" at the bottom. Apart from this, terminal mode seems
to work OK.
This happens whether I am in terminal mode per se, or running a terminal
under X.
Anyone know what causes this?
Thanks,
Graham Daniell
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From: Alex Lam <"mydotcom7 "@ zdnetonebox.com>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: FWD- Red Hat is indeed the Bugs Hat and the suckest distro amongst the
Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:53:48 -0700
Red Hat is indeed the Bugs Hat and the suckest distro amongst
the Linux distros.
It's so bad, only Windoze NT can beats it.
http://www.securityfocus.com/vdb/stats.html?&_ref=1074041852
Alex Lam.
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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: average load of > 1 and 97% idle time???
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 07:38:58 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alexander Loehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've got a machine running Samba, Apache and Squid for routing.
> Sometimes the machine displays a load avergae of > 1 (up to 1.66)
> although the idle time is about 97%. I don't understand this.
>
> Any ideas?
>
Hmmm... A load average of >1 and at the same time an almost idle CPU? Do
you have "nice" processes running?
Run 'top' and see what processes are the most CPU greedy ones. Do you
have some column in 'top' displaying the "nice" percentage?
/A
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From: "Peet Grobler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: DNS Doesn't want to work
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:51:45 +0200
Hello.
I'm trying to setup a DNS for a small network. There's no connection to the
internet. Can anybody tell me if you can see anything wrong? Also, is there
a way to make it run only on one IP (not the aliased ones?)
Thanks in advance,
Peet.
My Configuration Files:
/var/named/home.net :
@ IN SOA home. postmaster.home. {
1
3600
300
172800
43200 )
IN NS 192.168.0.2 # The box's IP
haven.home.net IN A 192.168.0.1
mail.home.net IN A 192.168.0.2
support.home.net IN A 192.168.0.3
#EOF
/etc/named.conf:
options {
directory "/var/named";
}
zone "home.net" {
type master;
file "home.net";
};
#EOF
When I issue "/etc/rc.d/init.d/named start", the following appears in the
syslog:
home.net: WARNING SOA expire value is less than 7 days (172800)
Zone "home.net" (file home.net): No NS RRs found at zone top
master zone "home.net" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 1)
listening [127.0.0.1].53 (lo)
listening [192.168.0.2].53 (eth0)
listening [192.168.0.3].53 (eth0:0)
Forwarding source address is [0.0.0.0].1300
Ready to answer queries
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From: Scott Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DNS Doesn't want to work
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:23:38 GMT
1) You need add "net." in the first line of your SOA... eg:
@ IN SOA home. postmaster.home. {
...becomes...
@ IN SOA home.net. postmaster.home.net. {
2) You need to add a fullstop '.' to the end of your aliases in your
/var/named/home.net file... OR... remove the domain from the entries.... eg:
@ IN SOA home.net. postmaster.home.net. {
1
3600
300
172800
43200 )
IN NS 192.168.0.2 # The box's IP
haven IN A 192.168.0.1
mail IN A 192.168.0.2
support IN A 192.168.0.3
3) Add listen-on { 192.168.0.2; }; in your options areas in the named.conf.
eg:
options {
directory "/var/named";
listen-on { 192.168.0.2; };
}
... try those... let me know how you go, okay?
Peet Grobler wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I'm trying to setup a DNS for a small network. There's no connection to the
> internet. Can anybody tell me if you can see anything wrong? Also, is there
> a way to make it run only on one IP (not the aliased ones?)
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Peet.
>
> My Configuration Files:
>
> /var/named/home.net :
>
> @ IN SOA home. postmaster.home. {
> 1
> 3600
> 300
> 172800
> 43200 )
>
> IN NS 192.168.0.2 # The box's IP
>
> haven.home.net IN A 192.168.0.1
> mail.home.net IN A 192.168.0.2
> support.home.net IN A 192.168.0.3
> #EOF
>
> /etc/named.conf:
> options {
> directory "/var/named";
> }
>
> zone "home.net" {
> type master;
> file "home.net";
> };
> #EOF
>
> When I issue "/etc/rc.d/init.d/named start", the following appears in the
> syslog:
>
> home.net: WARNING SOA expire value is less than 7 days (172800)
> Zone "home.net" (file home.net): No NS RRs found at zone top
> master zone "home.net" (IN) rejected due to errors (serial 1)
> listening [127.0.0.1].53 (lo)
> listening [192.168.0.2].53 (eth0)
> listening [192.168.0.3].53 (eth0:0)
> Forwarding source address is [0.0.0.0].1300
> Ready to answer queries
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From: Thomas Hommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Wanted: Advice for using gcc
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:18:20 +0200
Hi there
I´m relatively new to Linux programming, so i`m looking for some info on
the GNU tools (gcc, ld, make ...). Can anybody point to some good sites,
books, etc. where to start?
Any help is appreciated
Tom
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:27:39 +0100
I R A Darth Aggie wrote:
>
I kind of feel that we're engaged in two different arguments, but I'll
give it one more shot.
> + Well, such arguments do have some merit, unless you think that
> + perfection was achieved with the Good Old Way, and that it will never be
> + improved on. It seems pretty clear that improvements in anything must
> + needs come from the future, not from the past.
>
> Well, let's see...I still think that emacs with the sgml color mode
> does are really nifty job of allowing me to edit html. And golly gee,
> I can use a template as a default! What a concept!
That paragraph really doesn't address my point, which was that nothing's
perfect and that everything can be improved.
> + I do feel that there are improvements to be made.
>
> Such as? they're simple media for a simple usage: communicating a written
> word. Period. Neither need HTML tags. *Emphasis* can be had for *two*
> characters, not <B>seven</b>.
Let me get this straight: are you truly saying that you feel there are
no improvements to be made in Usenet and email?
> And it may come as a shock to you, but bandwidth costs money, real money.
> You may not see it, because you may be subscribed to an ISP that allows you
> unlimited access, the idea being that you *won't*.
I live in England, where every minute online costs money. However, this
will surely change.
> + First, if a product is good, it's good no matter how many programmers
> + are 'thrown' at it.
>
> Actually, I'd argue that a handful (or one) with sufficient desire to
> achieve their goal is adequate, depending on the scope of the project.
I don't follow. You were saying that Microsoft's work (in one area) was
good because there were a lot of programmers on the project.
> + Second, one of Open Source's claims is that it produces better code
> + because thousands of programmers work on projects, not just tens or
> + hundreds.
>
> You're new to Open Source, aren't you? That's not the claim.
It's Eric Raymond's claim. Open Source is good because there are more
programmers working on each project. They may just be beta-testers
(though programmers often make lousy testers), or they may be
bug-fixers, or they may be developing new code. More people working on
the code makes better code, and in fact that's exactly what you go on to
say yourself.
> Further, no one in the Open Source gets an assignment to complete. They
> work on whatever they feel like. If they lose enthusiasm, or time, or
> motivation, the project stalls unless someone takes it over.
It's true that's a vital distinction for OS. However, I was merely
addressing the issue of the number of programmers on a project.
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From: Philipp Maier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Novell Login
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:27:48 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Guilherme R. Freitas" wrote:
>
> We´d like to know if there is any "Novell Client" for linux. If not,
> what would be the best way to have linux loggin on a Novell Network? We
> are "upgrading" the OS of some of our machines from Win to Linux, but we
> still need to maintain our Novell Server. Any suggestions would be
> extremelly helpful...
You need ncpfs. There's a IPX-Howto available, which I don't consider
very easy to follow - which is the reason why I have written my own
instructions. Check the ncpfs-section on my homepage on how to connect
to a Novell server.
PM
--
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http://www.philipp-maier.de
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:37:20 +0100
Christopher Browne wrote:
>
> >Christopher Browne wrote:
> >>
> >> <P> <B> A shortage of Linux specialists has driven one Dallas software </B>
> >> <BR> <B> entrepreneur to create a network of programmers and
> >> consultants in </B>
> >> <BR> <B> about a dozen countries. </B>
> >> </P>
> >>
> >> <P> <B> Tom Adelstein, chief executive of Bynari Systems, said he has
> >> found it</B>
> >> <BR> <B> easier to recruit experts in the Linux operating system in
> >> Malaysia</B>
> >> <BR> <B>and Portugal than back home in Texas.</B>
> >> </P>
> >>
> >> This happens to be "standards-conformant," but it is _UGLY_ to say the
> >> least.
> >
> >I don't see much difference, myself... What am I missing?
>
> You're missing that if the width of the viewing "pane" is changed, the
> formatting can _substantially_ change.
I'm sorry--I thought you were saying the second paragraph was good and
the first was bad. You're quite right: unnecessary <br>s are a Bad
Thing.
> >Anyway, it's clear that no code generator (which is what a WYSIWYG
> >editor, as well as a visual dialog box editor, really is) can produce
> >code as clean as a human.
>
> I think that's less evident than you apparently think
Less evident, or less true? I'm not sure whether you are agreeing with
me, here...
> while any of
> the WYSIWYG tools that I have encountered have generated quite
> uniformly HORRIBLE output, it's not obvious that this HAS to be the
> case.
I agree, and that's a point that the anti-WYSIWYG crowd miss. However,
in general, I think even the best generator will have problems doing as
well as the best hand-coder. We humans have to be good for _something_,
after all. :)
> <B> indicates that the text should be "emboldened." For the most
> part, I care not if this means that:
> a) The viewer uses boldly loud colors,
> b) The viewer uses emboldened fonts,
> c) The viewer uses darker grayscaling, or
> d) The viewer uses an underline to "set off" the bit of text.
>
> I wanted to call attention to the text, and therefore indicated that
> <b> it should be bolder. </b>
>
> That seems more structural than visual, to me.
But all those possible representations were visual. The concept of
'bold' (as opposed to the concept of 'strong') is inherently visual,
isn't it? Perhaps a better example would be <i>.
> The "case in point" is the up-and-coming technology, that of "cellular
> web access." Which provides three notable constraints:
> i. Screen size of no more than 8cm x 8xm,
> ii. Bandwidth that "sucks,"
> iii. No color; only greyscale.
As the new owner of a Palm Pilot, I'm attuned to that. :)
> A web site that breaks down completely (e.g. - is not usefully
> readable) when these three factors get "strained" is a site that will
> not cope happily with "Cell Browsers."
Yet it could be that there will be 'cell browser' sites and 'graphical'
sites. It would be pretty ridiculous to suggest that a virtual museum
tour make itself accessible to cell browsers, yet no one would say that
these sites are not worthy of the Web.
> The interesting thing is that the sites that "play well" with those
> "obsolete" text-oriented web browsers like Lynx very strangely appear
> not to break down as badly on "Cell Browsers." The flip side being
> that sites that _don't_ work well with Lynx also appear not to work
> well with "Cell Browsers."
I think that's true, in general. I do use lynx as a validator of sorts.
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From: Mark Wilden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.powerpc,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: WYSIWYG web page generator
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:40:13 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >> The web is hyperTEXT (HTML = "HyperText Markup Language").
>
> > Then why does HyperTEXT Markup Language contain an <img> tag?
>
> Why on the <img> tag is the alt attribute required?
Your question doesn't answer my question. If the Web was hyperTEXT,
there'd be no need for either the <img> tag or its alt attribute.
> > Given the preponderance of sites with graphics over sites with no
> > graphics,
>
> Would you like some fire with your straw man?
Let me know when you have a more cogent argument than 'I'm right and
you're wrong'.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: tw.bbs.comp.linux,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Redhat6.2 Network bug ??
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:27:41 GMT
In article <8fuo0o$2f1h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell) wrote:
> In article <8fr8m8$nvb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >Are you using Redhat 6.2?
> >
> >I use 6.1 and this problem does not exists.
> >
> >When I change to 6.2, this problem exists and I cannot solve it.
> >
> >This rare problem does happens in my Tulip.o network cards.
> >I tried to reinstall it 4-5 times with my netgear(tulip) NIC and it
fail
> >to communicate with other hosts through my new DLINK10/100 Switch
after
> >I unplug the RJ45 for 150-200 seconds and replug the RJ45 again.
>
> I'm using the VALinux 6.2.1 variation which I think would be
> identical to RH 6.2 as far at the tulip driver goes. I
> do have a 'real' DEC chip Netgear (stocked up on the
> originals when they were still available...). I have had
> some trouble when the switch was not set to auto-negotiate
> but it didn't cause complete failure. I have had very
> few problems with these cards or Intel 10/100's.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
My 3com office connect 10/100 switch is auto-negotiable.
My Dlink 10/100 switch is a N-way negotiable.
Both of them fail to pick up the packages when using tulip driver (my
netgears are also with real DEC chip).
I will not do any futher test on the 6.2 anymore. Since I had sent this
problem to Redhat inc few days ago but they have not reply me yet.
I will use 6.1 and upgrade the kernal instead of using 6.2 until they
solve the problem.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: newbie's questions
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 02:58:50 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Marcel Pol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake unto us, saying:
>Sparc is a hardware platform for mainframes.
No, Sparc is a hardware platform made by Sun, and it usually runs a
flavor of Solaris, but it really doesn't scale to mainframe size, at
least IMhO.
E10K boxes are getting larger and more reliable, though. I consider
them to be miniframes of sorts, kinda like what VAXen were.
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comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
From: David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:59:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
' Mongoose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
'
' > >KDE isn't free.
'
' > uh what? I don't remember paying for KDE...
'
' If I remember the analogy correctly, it's free as in "free beer," but
' not free as in "free speech." Qt is the bottleneck, I believe.
Unless you plan on porting KDE to Windows, KDE is totaly free. It is
only the Windows version of Qt that requires you to buy a license.
And even then, you only need it if your program isn't GPL.
There is also nothing preventing someone from porting Qt to Windows as
a seperate version from Qt Professional Edition.
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From: JosB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: FWD- Red Hat is indeed the Bugs Hat and the suckest distro amongst the
Linux distros.
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:53:28 GMT
In article <9XGU4.361$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Alex Lam <"mydotcom7 "@ zdnetonebox.com> wrote:
> Red Hat is indeed the Bugs Hat and the suckest distro amongst
> the Linux distros.
>
> It's so bad, only Windoze NT can beats it.
QUOTE on same site:
<START>
It is possible some operating systems and applications have more known
vulnerabilities because they are more popular and have undergone more
scrutiny, or because their source code is available. Also an operating
system or application with more features is more likely to contain
vulnerabilities than those with less features, but the latter many not
be suitable for some applications.
<END>
Is it possible RH is used more as the other distro's?
Jos Buurman
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From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: DNS Doesn't want to work
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 09:59:36 +0100
Just want to ask why not use hosts? You prob. gonna say "to learn"
though...
Matt.
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From: Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: [Help] Removing remote printer jobs
Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 10:12:36 +0200
Hi all,
We've found a problem with remote printer jobs management, we
haven't been able to solve yet. So we require to your expertise.
The framework is as follows: We have set up a network of machines
running different distributions of Linux, mainly Red Hat (6.0, 6.1 and
6.2) and Slackware. We also have a printer server running under Red Hat
6.2. This server offers remote printing service for clients. Every
client is able to send printer jobs and get them printer with no
problems. We can also query the state of the printer queue through lpq.
So far, so good. But the problem arises when a printer job must be
killed. Then 'lprm' doesn't do its job. It simply refuses to cancel the
given job, just replying: "permission denied". The only way to remove
the job is by issueing 'lprm' as a root in the server machine. This is
really annoying and unconvenient. We have also tried to run the lpd
daemon in both machines (server and client) with the -l option to get
further information, but wasn't able to get anything really helpful.
We also had this problem with Red Hat linux 6.0, then we upgraded to
6.1 and the problem remained. Next upgrade to Red Hat 6.2 haven't solved
it either.
Thanks in advance for your kind help.
Greetings!
José Manuel
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