Linux-Misc Digest #567, Volume #24 Tue, 23 May 00 04:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat? (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Dries van Oosten)
Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux (Leslie Mikesell)
Re: Soft RAID vs. SuSE? (Sven Holz)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (s@-)
Re: vim startup (Hans-Joachim Drescher)
Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat? (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat? (Hal Burgiss)
getting "device busy" with cdrom ("john mitchell")
Re: StarImpress 5.1 use question (Amanda Baker)
Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat? (Andrew Williams)
Re: ide-scsi CD-R Problem With Newest Kernels (.14 & .15) - (Grant Gray)
Re: Tekram DC315U/Adaptec AVA-2904 support? (Diego Zuccato)
Re: getting "device busy" with cdrom (Janet)
Re: getting "device busy" with cdrom (Matt)
Re: how to enter a bug report against linux? (Richard Steiner)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Subject: Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat?
Date: 23 May 2000 01:02:17 -0500
In article <9AlW4.111449$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Frankly, until they start releasing software that formally validates
>that RPMs conform to some well-specified set of conformance rules
>(such as LSB/FHS requirements), paralleling the Debian dpkg toolset,
>they will doubtless continue to have Serious Problems with the x.0 and
>x.1 releases.
>
>In particular...
>
>Errata include: <http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/index.html>
>
>- For 6.2, which hasn't been out long:
> - 7 packages with Security Errata
So, did the Debian dpkg toolset somehow anticipate the
kerberos security problem that everyone has, or have
they just not fixed it yet? The others, except maybe
the piranha password business are likewise problems
in the base packages from outside sources.
> - 9 packages with "Bug Fixes"
> - 1 package "Upgraded"
Bug fixes and upgrades are a plus, not a problem.
>It is getting to be a standing _joke_ that you don't want to use a .0
>or .1 release from Red Hat, because there will likely be fairly
>serious problems with something or other.
Realistically, about 90% of the problems found with these
releases would still not be fixed if Red Hat had not
pushed the programs out.
>It rather appears that they are working hard to push out new releases,
>and apparently not doing enough testing.
If they didn't we'd all still be using libc5 waiting for
someone else to go to the trouble of testing it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Dries van Oosten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:48:25 +0200
On 22 May 2000 steve@howdy wrote:
>
> any one can give a link or have information on how can one
> enter a bug report if they find a problem in the linux OS?
>
> Is there an official site setup so one can do that? if not,
> how does one report a bug in linux? is it distro specific?
> I see rhat have a bug report page
>
> http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/
>
> But if one has a bug in kernel, is that the place to
> report it? btw, I did not see such a thing on Suse web site.
>
> looking at http://www.kernel.org I did not see a place
> to report a bug.
>
> I think there should be one place to report bugs for linux. The
> way it is now seem confusing. How do people enter bug reports
> against other OS's such as windows? (not a window user so I do
> not know).
with al the talking about it I'm getting kinda curious. What is this bug
you're talking about?
> regards,
> steve
>
>
Groeten,
Dries
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Need ideas for university funded project for linux
Date: 23 May 2000 01:43:12 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>In theory you can do an 'update' with the next RH release - and
>>it usually really works when you go from an x.1 to an x.2 version.
>>However, you won't get any of the new good stuff if you just
>>update what you have installed.
>
>It's irritating how _necessary_ the RH x.0 to x.1 and x.1 to x.2
>transitions are.
If you are conservative, just go directly from x.2 to x+1.2.
I still have a box running 4.2 and many running 5.2 that
I am in the process of upgrading now.
>With RH, in contrast, you _need_ to move from x.0 to x.1 and then x.2,
>as the earlier releases just aren't integrated right yet.
But you only need to go to x.0, x.1 to try out the new features.
>The problem is that the degree of "responsibility" drops off spectacularly
>as you move away from the "base sets." It may prove impossible to get
>anyone to respond to issues with contributed packages. Debian does
>somewhat better than that...
If the debian fix finds its way back to the base package it will
eventually make it to the other distributions as well, and
if it exists as a patch to the base source, it is simple enough
to drop it in starting from a source rpm. While contributed
packages in general may not be maintained, the VALinux
and Mandrake variations tend to match up or have additional
fixes/additions compared to RH, and I have had pretty good
luck mixing rpm updates among these distributions.
>I found Linuxconf _somewhat_ useful:
> a) It did a decent job of configuring a PPP connection;
> b) Many of the permissions and such that it tried "fixing" were
> fairly appropriate.
>
>I don't mind the general idea of the system providing some ways of
>cleaning up system configuration; if there are a good set of rules
>to this end, that can be quite useful, particularly for helping
>naive users to avoid accidentally introducing security holes.
>
>I agree that managing this can be troublesome...
I guess what I would really like is to expose the knowledge
in linuxconf instead of hiding it. That is, it should have
a mode where it shows you all the steps it is taking to
check and fix things with comments as to why it is doing
it and how to change it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Sven Holz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Soft RAID vs. SuSE?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:26:24 +0200
"Mark(un-MASK)Forsyth" schrieb:
>
>
> So what was in syslog and /proc/mdstat ?????
> May help unearth an answer.
>
>
Nothing, there was no logging all the time :-)
Thatīs the biggest problem I think, i can not analize the reason.
c ya
Sven
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From: s@-
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Date: 22 May 2000 23:02:46 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
>What a load of crap. Alan Cox is the bug track system.
haha, what a joke.
a person is a bug tracking system? wow! so if this person gets sick,
the bug tracking system goes down?
/s
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From: Hans-Joachim Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vim startup
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 08:56:36 +0200
Hello,
The /bin/vi is just what I wanted.
I figured out that vim does something with X ( and I am not even using a
modem, but T1) ,
as it changes the titlebar, etc.
Since I use vi for small quick changes and emacs for programming, the startup
should be quick.
thank you,
Hajo
Bob Tennent wrote:
> On 22 May 2000 15:10:01 EDT, Dances With Crows wrote:
> >On Mon, 22 May 2000 17:36:32 +0200, Hans-Joachim Drescher
> >>
> >>does someone know why the startup of vim is so slow, especially for long
> >>distance telnet ?
> >
> >? If you're running vim on a remote machine, vim's speed should be
> >limited by the speed of the remote machine. Since vim isn't an X
> >application, it's just shoveling text and escape codes over the wire, and
> >it should be very usable even over a 28.8 connection.
> >
>
> Some configurations of vim do access X authorization data.
> If you have a "minimal" configuration available of vim, try that;
> it will be /bin/vi on a RedHat machine for example. If that starts up
> immediately, check your Xauthority configuration.
>
> Bob T.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:58:39 GMT
On 23 May 2000 01:02:17 -0500, Leslie Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <9AlW4.111449$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Christopher Browne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Frankly, until they start releasing software that formally validates
>>that RPMs conform to some well-specified set of conformance rules
>>(such as LSB/FHS requirements), paralleling the Debian dpkg toolset,
>>they will doubtless continue to have Serious Problems with the x.0 and
>>x.1 releases.
>>
>>In particular...
>>
>>Errata include: <http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/index.html>
>>
>>- For 6.2, which hasn't been out long:
>> - 7 packages with Security Errata
>
>So, did the Debian dpkg toolset somehow anticipate the
>kerberos security problem that everyone has, or have
>they just not fixed it yet? The others, except maybe
>the piranha password business are likewise problems
>in the base packages from outside sources.
Don't forget about how RH screwed up the SSL thing with Netscape, those
dirty, rotten bums.
>> - 9 packages with "Bug Fixes"
>> - 1 package "Upgraded"
>
>Bug fixes and upgrades are a plus, not a problem.
Two of these were kernel bugs. Now talk about a group that really pushes
out things too quickly -- kernel developers. Check out the release notes
-- one gigantic bug fix. Pitiful. They should use at least a 2 yr
testing cycle. Let's get 2.0 perfect before we move on.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:04:24 GMT
On Tue, 23 May 2000 01:57:25 GMT, Christopher Browne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>It is getting to be a standing _joke_ that you don't want to use a .0
>or .1 release from Red Hat, because there will likely be fairly serious
>problems with something or other.
Is this based on firsthand information or secondhand? It is not _that_
bad -- based on firsthand information. Minor annoyances, yes, show
stoppers, nada -- at least for me.
>It rather appears that they are working hard to push out new releases,
>and apparently not doing enough testing.
What are you, a disgruntled stock holder? If you don't like it, don't
use it. Simple. If everybody did everything to suit your tastes we'd
probably have only one distro -- the one you like. Then I'd be bitching
instead. I personally prefer a distro that is frequently updated. One
has to except some bugs with this approach. If you want something not so
frequently updated, and long testing cycles, that is your prerogative.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "john mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: getting "device busy" with cdrom
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:06:49 -0500
I am trying to upgrade my Redhat 5.2 system to the latest distribution. I
downloaded 6.2 from Redhat's site, and I can mount the installation disk,
but when I try to unmount it using umount, I get the message "the device is
busy". Has anyone gotten this before?
Thanks,
John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Amanda Baker)
Subject: Re: StarImpress 5.1 use question
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 07:05:44 GMT
On Sun, 21 May 2000 19:09:16 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Garry
Knight) wrote:
>You could try a public news server like news.cis.dfn.de. I believe you
>need to sign up for it at http://news.cis.dfn.de, but it's free.
I've managed to access the groups via the news server at
starsite.sun.com (if I recall correctly from my other computer
system...) Clearly, a bewildering plethora of groups, which aren't
being propagated far as yet. It definitely seems like a 'big 8'
StarOffice group is needed: the discussions are currently scatter
between obscure newsgroups and even more obscure mailing lists, what a
waste!
Anyhow, I've still not worked out how to crop images in
StarImpress or StarImage... I might have to revert to P*w*rp**nt at
this rate :-( But I shall keep searching...
Thanks,
Amanda
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From: Andrew Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Weaknesses of Red Hat?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:29:17 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The very first thing I had to do with Linux (as a newbie) was to get a 486
up and running as a pcnfs+Samba server.
Initially I tried the then current Red Hat distribution. After weeks (or
more) of trying to get pcnfs going, I bought one of those Info Magic CDs
with several different distributions.
SuSE was the next distribution I tried, it worked first time.
Samba worked under both, but was also easier under SuSE.
The whole point about SuSE is 'yast', you use it to configure virtually
everything. Older versions were pretty frustrating because they often
contained major bugs that were difficult to work around, but I have hot
had any of them for a while now.
Having one central configuration tool is fine for getting things done, but
you tend to lose sight of what is going on underneath. All in all, I can
live with that.
Faheem Mitha wrote:
> On 22 May 2000 15:47:31 PST, Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >I have been using Red Hat for some time and like it.
> >But I have heard people say they have switched away
> >from Red Hat. What is lacking in Red Hat that would
> >make someone want to switch?
>
> Back in 1998, the first Linux distribution I ever used was Redhat
> 5.1. I didn't know anything about Linux then, or Unix. In fact, I knew
> practically nothing about computers, and a friend installed it for
> me. I had two concerns about Redhat.
>
> 1) The amount of software included was not enough for my taste. I was
> continually having to fetch programs I needed from other places,
> even quite standard things like Hylafax, and they had this silly
> thing called Redhat Power Tools that contained stuff that I thought
> should have been in their main distribution. Mind you, this was all
> free software.
>
> 2) Things were not well-configured. Some programs did not work
> properly or did not work at all. There was something wrong with
> reading info from emacs, I could not get minicom to work, various
> other small annoyances.
>
> 3) Also, I thought they were far too commercialised.
>
> So, I started looking around for alternatives, and I settled on SuSE,
> which I think beats Redhat (I admit I am not familiar with more recent
> versions) on counts 1 and 2. It has much more software, and they tend
> to be quite good at configuring software so that it works right out of
> the box. For example, they provide software like emacs along with
> generic configuration files which tend to be quite nice and
> comprehensive. I use SuSE 6.2, now getting a little out of date. All
> the programs I have ever tried to use in it seem to work correctly.
>
> I have heard good things about Debian too, but have never tried
> it. They try to be quite comprehensive about software too, I'm told.
>
> I would welcome comments on this. Please cc them to me.
>
> Faheem.
--
Mielipiteet omiani - Opinions personal, facts suspect, especially on my
http://home.germany.net/101-69082/samba.html
Simple Samba Solutions web page. ICQ 1722461
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From: Grant Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: ide-scsi CD-R Problem With Newest Kernels (.14 & .15) -
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:26:15 +1000
"Me Too"
.... i have a panasonic 7502 on a tekram dc315u controller, same problem,
intermittantly get status 0x2 errors of the type you describe when burning. Have
had the same problem with 2.2.14, 2.2.15 and 2.3.99-pre8... I have spent many
hours searching for an answer, nobody seems to know!
Are we any closer to resolving this issue?
My pile of coasters grows larger every day....
"Douglas E. Mitton" wrote:
> "Brian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That was about the third thing I tried but no go! If anything it
> fails even more often now! I'm pretty sure it is tied to the kernel
> scsi modules I'm using, more than likely some tuning option that has
> been addedd BUT that I haven't discovered yet.
>
> Thanks for the response!
>
> >Hi Douglas:
> >
> >Douglas E. Mitton wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >>I have done several searches for this issue, there seem to be a lot of
> >>people experiencing it BUT I have not been able to find a solution
> >>yet.
> >
> >>In kernels V2.2.14 and .15 I get random cdrecord failures such as:
> >>(Sorry, it wraps a little.)
> >
> >>Starting new track at sector: 0
> >>Track 01: 175 of 311 MB written (fifo 100%).cdrecord: Input/output
> >>error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: retryable error
> >>CDB: 2A 00 00 01 5E C0 00 00 10 00
> >>status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION)
> >>Sense Bytes: F1 00 05 00 01 5E C0 0C 00 00 00 00 10 02 00 00
> >>Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, deferred error, Segment 0
> >>Sense Code: 0x10 Qual 0x02 (id crc or ecc error) [No matching
> >>qualifier] Fru 0x0
> >>Sense flags: Blk 89792 (valid)
> >>cmd finished after 3.168s timeout 40s
> >
> >>write track data: error after 183894016 bytes
> >>Sense Bytes: 70 00 00 00 00 00 00 0C 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
> >>Writing time: 310.268s
> >>Fixating...
> >>Fixating time: 76.473s
> >>cdrecord: fifo had 5740 puts and 5613 gets.
> >>cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 5206 times full, min fill was
> >>95%.
> >
> >
> >I run "Slackware 7.0" "Linux kernel 2.2.14" with "cdrecord 1.8" and burn
> >happily all day on an aging "HP CD-Writer+ 7100 - firmware 2.02 X2" IDE
> >burner.
> >
> >Here is what I recommend;
> >
> >Go to the cdrecord site and download the latest from Joerg Schilling (very
> >wise and able programmer).
> >
> >http://www.fokus.gmd.de/research/cc/glone/employees/joerg.schilling/private/
> >cdrecord.html
> >
> >Download version "cdrecord-1.8.1 final", build and install.
> >
> >That should get you going no problem.
> >
> >Best regards,
> >
> >Brian
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Doug Mitton - Brockville, Ontario, Canada
> 'City of the Thousand Islands'
> EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://www.cybertap.com/dmitton
> Other: mitton.dyndns.org
> SPAM Reduction: Remove "x." from my domain.
> ------------------------------------------------
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From: Diego Zuccato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tekram DC315U/Adaptec AVA-2904 support?
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:25:48 +0200
Do you know if new Adaptec [123]9160 controllers are supported ?
Tks.
Diego.
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From: Janet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting "device busy" with cdrom
Date: 23 May 2000 00:38:24 -0700
"john mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I am trying to upgrade my Redhat 5.2 system to the latest distribution. I
> downloaded 6.2 from Redhat's site, and I can mount the installation disk,
> but when I try to unmount it using umount, I get the message "the device is
> busy". Has anyone gotten this before?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
This often happens if you are in the cdrom directory (i.e., if any of your
shells are sitting there). Try cd'ing somewhere else.
Hope this helps,
Janet
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From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: getting "device busy" with cdrom
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:48:43 +0100
john mitchell wrote:
> I am trying to upgrade my Redhat 5.2 system to the latest distribution. I
> downloaded 6.2 from Redhat's site, and I can mount the installation disk,
> but when I try to unmount it using umount, I get the message "the device is
> busy". Has anyone gotten this before?
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
It means yourself or another program is still using the filesystem.
Try using fuser (man fuser for details).
Matt.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: how to enter a bug report against linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:24:45 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CAguy) spake unto us, saying:
>Well, with billions of dollars now riding on the success of linux...I
>think it's about time they kicked the kiddies off kernal development,
>and start using a more professional development process.
The current system seems to work well. Why change it arbitrarily?
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly...
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