I did not disagree with any of that. Bin Laden is an opportunist using
what he defines as religion as a framework for taking control. He may even
believe what he preaches. I think he does. And if we are going to deal
with him and 'the base' we should understand this and assume that they
really believe it. Otherwise we will be shooting in the dark. And perhaps
upset others to no end.

On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:00:19 -0700 (PST)
"Shawn Tayler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

| Hello Roger,
| 
| While I understand your position I must disagree.  The American
| presence in Saudi Arabia is by invitation of the Royal Family, no
| doubt, and most likely is helping them to stay in power to some extent.
|  Mr. bin Laden, is nothing more than a tin pot religious facist zealot
| who is looking to grab power in KSA.  He sees the power that the
| Theocracies in Iran and Afghanistan, dictatorial powers to kill and
| torture anyone he sees fit, all in the name of Allah of course. 
| There's also all that money from selling oil to the Great Satan, the
| US.  Money and power, that is all this guy is after.  
| 
| Look at what happened in Iran around the fall of the Shah.  The
| fundamentalists promised an Islamic paradise, they even had the women
| wanting it, they paraded and protested in favor of the Clerics.  Now
| the country is little better than a police state.  
| 
| Religion and politics make for a deadly and voracious combination. 
| History is full of examples, Europe during the Dark Ages, Utah in the
| US under mormon governace during the 18th century.  Its always easy to
| slaughter people you don't like when your imaginary friend says its
| ok....
| 
| 
| On Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:09:26 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
| 
| >In no way does this justify September 11th. But if the US would just
| >stay out of some problems, all might be better off. As to the concern over
| >oil, well, there are other sources than KSA. If an Islamic regime started
| >by cutting back on oil, then so be it. Conserve. It is possible.
| >
| >I still agree with Keith that terrorism will not go away. There will
| >never be a time when everyone is content. So why go out of your way
| >to be a target?
| 
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