On 28 June 2016 at 15:38, Christian Schoenebeck
<schoeneb...@linuxsampler.org> wrote:
<snip>
If "you" gain money by selling commercial products based on open source
components, would it be *THAT* problematic to only forward a small subset of
the profit you made to the people who created those open source components,
<snip>
Good point. If it is a (semi-)commercial product, then why don't you
all come to some form of mutual and amicable cooperative agreement
rather than bickering? Sense of proprotion people, sense of
proportion! ;o)
Incidentally...
http://blog.zynthian.org/
Unless there is a secret ( commercial ) benfactor/sponsor or two
lurking in the jolly old background,, and even if there is, may one
ask roughly - give us a ball ball park figure do - how much one of
these stands costs, .exactly? Would linuxsampler be showcased? ;o)
My penny/(euro)cents worth..
Cheers!
Chris.
;o)
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 13:12:14 José Fernando Moyano wrote:
>> Hi Christian!
>>
>> El 23/06/16 a las 14:20, Christian Schoenebeck escribió:
>> > And that's the point where the game changes. As soon as you sell either a
>> > software or hardware in conjunction with LinuxSampler, it becomes a
>> > commercial product using LinuxSampler. And to be clear on that: at this
>> > point "somebody"
>> 1.) We don't sell any software. Never. All the software we create is GPLed.
>
> Got that.
>
>> 2.) The hardware we sell as DIY kits is very generic. It's not designed
>> to work with LinuxSampler in anyway. It can run Linuxsampler in the same
>> way a Laptop or a Desktop computer can run LinuxSampler. It's a generic
>> sound-dedicated small-computer.
>
> If the hardware is not designed, nor intended to be used with LinuxSampler,
> then there is nothing your should be worried about. But I guess there is some
> reason why you came over here and asked. So there is probably some kind of
> intention for it to be used with LinuxSampler, isn't it?
>
>> I suposse that Dell, Compaq or any Clonic Builder/Reseller don't violate
>> the LinuxSampler license, althought they can claim that their "devices"
>> can run LinuxSampler. Zynthian case is the same, with a different User
>> Interface, based in RotaryEncoders+Switches instead of Mouse+Keyboard.
>
> Well, obviously Dell computers etc. are sold as general purpose computers. So
> the difference between those hardware products and probably "yours" (whoever
> actually sells the hardware in the end) is that "you" probably create a
> connection between "your" hardware product and LinuxSampler. Now the question
> is what kind of connection is that? Do you ship the hardware with LinuxSampler
> already installed? Do you ship the hardware with an installer which is going
> to automatically install LinuxSampler for the customer? Do you promote your
> hardware product to provide a sampler and that sampler is LinuxSampler? Do you
> conduct workshops where you promote and/or sell your hardware products in
> connection with LinuxSampler? Anything else I probably did not mention?
>
> You know there are a load of people who contact us who want to sell hardware
> products with LinuxSampler, and most of them do not want to acquire a
> commercial license for it, so they always try to argue why they think they
> don't need to ask us for permission to use the sampler with a commercial
> product. But in the end in 99% of the cases they are just trying to find a way
> to circumvent our commercial restriction. And that is the primary reason why
> this sampler is not distributed under a pure FOSS standard license, because
> most commercial actors are just exploiting open source components to sell
> products without any intention to give back *anything* to the people who
> created those open source components.
>
> I mean you came over here, and instead of first asking like "Hey, we probably
> might want to use the sampler with a commercial hardware product, could we get
> the permission to do so?", instead you immediately start a discussion why,
> from your point of view, you don't have to ask us for any permission at all.
> But the fact that you came over here and started a discussions about it shows
> that you are not convinced about your own claims by yourself. For good
> reasons.
>
> If "you" gain money by selling commercial products based on open source
> components, would it be *THAT* problematic to only forward a small subset of
> the profit you made to the people who created those open source components,
> components which actually added real value to your product(s)? If you had
> asked me that polite question mentioned by me above and I had answered: "You
> know what, forward us couple cents of each device you sell and you can do
> that", would you still invest energy and time to discuss license details over
> here? Would it hurt you? Would you sell less devices? But the sad fact is that
> you, like most other ones, cannot even consider that.
>
>> > asks for money, so that specific person (and accordingly the company or
>> > organization (s)he legally acts on behalf) would violate the license.
>> >
>> > There is nothing wrong to offer free open source software in conjunction
>> > with LinuxSampler on websites to the public, free of charge for
>> > everybody. Nor is it wrong to conduct work shops for money. This was
>> > never our objection. But selling a hardware kit with or for LinuxSampler
>> > without our prior permission is clearly violating the license.
>> >
>> > Does this make it more clear?
>>
>> I hope yes. We want to be friends, please ;-)
>
> Well, so far I rather get the impression that your only intention is to use
> the sampler with products for free, without any obligations. Not to make any
> friendship over here. I mean have you ever been active in some way over here?
> Have you ever sent any patch or discussed technical issues here, asked how you
> could help this project, answered questions of users on this list or on the
> forum or whatever?
>
> CU
> Christian
>
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