Hi Luigi

Looks good to me
nit/suggestion below see PPE

Padma

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 2:05 AM Luigi Iannone <g...@gigix.net> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I’ve tried to merge the list of work items in the charter in a single list
> and created a PR.
>
>
> Items have been merged and re-ordered in the following way:
>
> First the general standard track work item (multicast work merged here)
>
> Then other work with drafts more advanced appearing earlier.
>
> Milestone list will be updated once WG converged on this part.
>
> The list looks like:
>
> Main work items are identified as follows:
>
>    -
>
>    Standard Track Documents: The core specifications of LISP have been
>    published as “Standard Track” ([RFC9300], [RFC9301]). The WG will continue
>    the work of moving select specifications to “Standard Track” (e.g.,
>    [RFC8060], [RFC8111] and the set of multicast documents like [RFC6831] and
>    [RFC8378]).
>
> PPE - Reading this the "standard track document" bullet kinda implies that
the docs below are not standard track.
Suggestion - "Moving to Standard tracks:"



>
>    -
>
>    YANG models for managing the LISP protocol and deployments that
>    include data models, OAM, as well as allowing for programmable management
>    interfaces. These management methods should be considered for both the
>    data-plane, control plane, and mapping system components.
>
>
>    -
>
>    Map Server Reliable Transport: LISP control plane messages are
>    transported over UDP, however, in some cases, the use of a reliable
>    transport protocol is a better fit, since it actually helps reduce periodic
>    signaling.
>    -
>
>    LISP for traffic engineering: Specifics on how to do traffic
>    engineering on LISP deployments could be useful. For instance, encode in a
>    mapping not only the routing locators associated to EIDs, but also an
>    ordered set of re-encapsulating tunnel routers used to specify a path.
>    -
>
>    LISP external connectivity: [RFC6832] defines the Proxy ETR element,
>    to be used to connect LISP sites with non-LISP sites. However, LISP
>    deployments could benefit from more advanced internetworking, for instance
>    by defining mechanism to discover such external connectivity.
>    -
>
>    NAT-Traversal: Support for NAT-traversal solution in deployments where
>    LISP tunnel routers are separated from correspondent tunnel routers by a
>    NAT (e.g., LISP mobile node).
>    -
>
>    Mobility: Some LISP deployment scenarios include mobile nodes (in
>    mobile environments) or Virtual Machines (VMs in data centers), hence,
>    support needs to be provided in order to achieve seamless connectivity.
>    -
>
>    Privacy and Security: The WG will work on topics of EID anonymity, VPN
>    segmentation leveraging on the Instance ID, and traffic anonymization. The
>    reuse of existing mechanisms will be prioritized.
>    -
>
>    LISP Applicability: In time, LISP has proved to be a very flexible
>    protocol that can be used in various use-cases not even considered during
>    its design phase. [RFC7215], while remaining a good source of information,
>    covers one single use case, which is not anymore the main LISP application
>    scenario. The LISP WG will document LISP deployments for most recent and
>    relevant use-cases so as to update [RFC7215].
>
>
>
> Does it look as an acceptable trade-off among the various comments
> received?
>
> Ciao
>
> L.
>
> On Oct 11, 2023, at 14:33, Alberto Rodriguez-Natal (natal) <
> na...@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> A few thoughts on the charter after going through the latest revision and
> the discussion on this thread.
>
> * We have a milestone for LCAFbis, but LCAF is not mentioned in the work
> items. Is LCAF supposed to be covered by the “Standards Track Documents”
> work item? Same for DDT. If so, I would mention them as examples of
> possible “Standards Track Documents”. Also, I agree with Padma that we
> should extend the work item to include “language to cover incremental
> features, behaviors and specifications”.
>
> * I think the external connectivity work item could be generalized to
> cover both the external-connectivity draft as well as any other work
> adjacent to 6832, for instance something like:
>
> “LISP Internetworking: [RFC6832] defines the Proxy ETR element, to be used
> to connect LISP sites with non-LISP sites. However, LISP deployments could
> benefit from more advanced internetworking, for instance by defining
> mechanism to discover such external connectivity.”
>
> * Similar comment for TE. I think we could be more general, something like:
>
> “Traffic Engineering and LISP: Specifics on how to do traffic engineering
> on LISP deployments could be useful, for instance some use cases…”
>
> * On the milestones section, I think LCAFbis could be done much sooner.
> Also, I agree with Dino we should have name-encoding sooner as well (this
> is partly my fault, I’m halfway on my shepherds writeup, will try to close
> on that).
>
> * Based on the discussion on San Francisco, it is not entirely clear to me
> the consensus of the WG regarding “Submitting a LISP Applicability document
> to the IESG”. Would it be possible to leave this milestone somehow more
> open?
>
>
> I’m also planning to send a PR on GitHub with some editorial comments.
>
> Thanks,
> Alberto
>
>
> *From: *Padma Pillay-Esnault <padma.i...@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, October 1, 2023 at 7:46 PM
> *To: *LISP mailing list list <lisp@ietf.org>
> *Cc: *lisp-cha...@ietf.org <lisp-cha...@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Proposed WG Charter on GitHub
> Hello all,
>
> We have created a repository to gather input for the proposed LISP WG
> charter presented in our last meeting.
>
> A pointer to the repo below
> https://github.com/lisp-wg/wg-charter
>
> We welcome your comments and contributions.
>
> Thanks
> Padma and Luigi
>
>
>
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