I wanna use CBB but MS needs to enable me to do so. If everyone bows down and installs it as it they won't fix it.
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason Sandys <[email protected]> wrote: > > Don’t fool yourself into believing that there haven’t been compelling updates > to Windows 10 already for Enterprises. After only four months, they added a > lot in 1511 as detailed at > https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt614818%28v=vs.85%29.aspx. > Redstone (which to my knowledge is currently predicted to be released in > June) will certainly have many more. > > I’m not saying that you should or shouldn’t choose LTSB, just don’t choose it > thinking there’s nothing of value in CB/CBB. > > J > > > > >> On 2/10/16, 12:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Marcum, >> John" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >> >> It's not "meant" for them according to MS. There's zero technical limitation >> with LTSB. MS wants us to move to a SaS model and that's the only reason >> "it's not meant" for anything. On the flip side Xbox is not meant for my >> corporate computers. ;-) >> >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Marable, Mike >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> “Running LTSB doesn’t make sense either because it really isn’t meant for >> everyday user devices.” >> >> I have to disagree with that. I’ve been running LTSB on my everyday >> workhorse machines now since the release. There is absolutely nothing wrong >> with LTSB, in fact it is a perfect platform for enterprises in my opinion. >> Granted I work in healthcare, but regardless I don’t see a pressing reason >> to go with CB over LTSB outside of the frequent updates. Even then I have >> not seen anything in the updated flights in CB that would be of value to us. >> >> That’s just my opinion though. >> >> Mike >> >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek, Jeff >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:45 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> I agree, but all of Microsoft is undergoing a paradigm shift to an agile >> development process. >> >> It feels like some teams haven’t quite switched over yet, like the ADK WinPE >> that hasn’t been fixed for 4-5 months at a time. The Business Store, and >> Business Update teams. (Maybe they haven’t been assembled yet.) >> >> While others are just throwing as much out there as they can without testing >> like the Universal Apps. Half of the documented settings for start the >> screen .xml either aren’t implemented or have changed. The GPOs not even >> being able to control the new features at first. >> >> Running LTSB doesn’t make sense either because it really isn’t meant for >> everyday user devices. >> >> It’s been very frustrating. We had the Threshold 1 OSD ready and then had to >> change practically everything when Threshold 2 was released. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff Jerousek >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> Right… They should just yank those consumer apps out of Win10 enterprise but >> allow them to be installed if someone wants them. (which nobody will) >> >> I don’t even care if they leave the crap in Pro but it can’t be in >> Enterprise. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Schwan, Phil >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:23 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> This definitely a logistical issue and a bit of a step backwards. OSD in the >> more distant past required a lot of chicken wire and duct tape (ie, scripts >> and specialized processes) to get everything looking the way you wanted for >> an enterprise deployment. The trend through the last several releases has >> been towards more control and easier customization through standardized >> tools and settings. >> >> However, with this new “WaaS” model we essentially have to do in-place >> upgrades on at least a semi-annual basis. I can understand to an extent not >> supporting the logistics of trying to incorporate a customized WIM file into >> the standard upgrade engine….but in lieu of having the changes Enterprises >> want baked into the core OS itself there should be better facilitation of a >> standardized “runtime” method for making the changes at deployment time. >> Whether that’s through an unattend.xml-style customization method, or >> tighter integration of Provisioning Packages into the in place upgrade >> scenario…there has to be a better way than forcing the install of something >> we’re just going to turn around and uninstall. “Do this, then undo it” >> makes no sense. >> >> Given the way things have progressed prior to Windows 10, the “just make the >> changes post-deployment” position runs completely counter to the entire >> enterprise systems management paradigm we’ve been given for the last decade >> plus. That’s akin to saying with Windows 7 we should deploy the Win7 media >> directly from Microsoft and then use scripts and GPOs to make all of our >> changes post-deployment. It’s horribly inefficient. >> >> -Phil >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Phil Schwan | Technical Architect, Enterprise Windows Services >> Microsoft VTSP ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) >> Project Leadership Associates | 2000 Town Center, Suite 1900, Southfield, MI >> 48075 >> Lync: 312.756.1626 Mobile: 419.262.5133 >> www.projectleadership.net<http://www.projectleadership.net/> >> <image001.jpg><http://www.linkedin.com/in/philschwan><image002.jpg><https://twitter.com/philschwan> >> <image003.jpg><http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/author/philschwan> >> <image004.jpg>Lead with Strategy. Leverage Technology. Deliver Results. >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John >> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:31 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> I’m curious how many people think it’s acceptable to have to remove a bunch >> of junk from their OS’s after each branch update? Maybe Rod could put up a >> poll? I for one find it unacceptable and for that reason I’m still think >> LTSB is the way to go. Why in the world would MS want us to load any of >> these on our corporate PC’s? >> >> >> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub” >> >> “microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga", >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron Czechowski >> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:08 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> From https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt627919.aspx >> First bullet: >> >> Upgrades the operating system on computers that currently run Windows 7, >> Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. You can also do build-to-build upgrades of >> Windows 10. For example, you can upgrade Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10, >> version 1511. >> >> :) >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus >> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:00 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> You don’t have to use servicing plans, you can continue to use task >> sequences with Windows 10 media. But the servicing plans have more >> features, so that’s the preferred route. >> >> Thanks, >> -Michael >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:57 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> I was under the impression this would work for Win 7 to Win 10 upgrades, but >> not the serving from 10 to 10. I thought you had to use the Windows 10 >> Servicing Plans. >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek, Jeff >> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:53 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> With an upgrade Task Sequence. >> >> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/configmgrteam/2015/06/16/revised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com%2fconfigmgrteam%2f2015%2f06%2f16%2frevised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager%2f&data=01%7c01%7caaron.czechowski%40microsoft.com%7c8eac9fc663694f776d4a08d331ad55b5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=omZyExPKk97WELSoehYA45V7NDnNsNqUAXNWjb4YvSs%3d> >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff Jerousek >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:24 AM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> How do you run a custom task sequence to remove them after Windows 10 has >> been updated to the new release and make sure it runs before someone logs on? >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek, Jeff >> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:36 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> We use a Task Sequence to run the upgrade and we remove these: >> >> "'Microsoft.BingFinance','Microsoft.BingWeather', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', >> 'Microsoft.Getstarted', 'Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection', >> 'Microsoft.Office.Sway', 'Microsoft.People', 'Microsoft.SkypeApp', >> 'microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', >> 'Microsoft.XboxApp', 'Microsoft.BingSports', 'Microsoft.Appconnector', >> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub', 'Microsoft.3DBuilder', >> 'Microsoft.CommsPhone','Microsoft.Office.OneNote','Microsoft.ConnectivityStore', >> 'Microsoft.Messaging'" >> >> If you remove them and set a custom start menu you will not see any >> shortcuts, some built in shortcuts to the apps will say the app is missing >> would you like to use a different program to run it, etc. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff Jerousek >> >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:53 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> Here is my list: >> >> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.WindowsMaps","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga","Microsoft.WindowsPhone", >> "Microsoft.Messaging","Microsoft.WindowsStore", "Microsoft.CommsPhone", >> "Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub", "Microsoft.Office.Sway", >> "Microsoft.ConnectivityStore" >> >> >> I use the same script you have listed below. It works sometimes for the >> current logged on user, but pretty much perfect for people that first sign >> in after this is ran. When Windows 10 gets serviced up to the new build, >> all those apps come back. You can’t use a task sequence to do the upgrade >> from what I have read. It would be nice to have an option to run a custom >> “clean up” script that removes and modifies the new Windows install after >> the upgrade but before people can log back on. There might be settings or >> hooks that need readded to Windows once it is upgraded. I haven’t gotten to >> that point yet in my deployments. I know Cisco anyconnect has caused issues >> in the past with Windows 10 upgrades. Currently there isn’t a way to have >> that uninstall before the OS upgrade starts and drop it back down on the PC >> once it’s done. >> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merenda, Kenneth >> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:28 PM >> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: [mssms] Removing Windows 10 Apps >> >> In the past, my company has been very traditional on how software is >> installed, so with Windows 8.1 we disabled the store and removed almost >> every modern app. Culture is changing though, and now along with a move to >> Office 365, we’re being challenged to deliver a more consumer-like >> experience, but still exclude things that would only serve as a distraction >> from business. >> >> That said, I was wondering which Windows 10 apps you all remove? I’ve >> included my list below, but I’ve found it isn’t working well. Although the >> apps get removed, I still find start menu shortcuts for them, often with the >> icon missing. >> >> Here is what I run to get rid of the apps. I’d love to hear everyone’s >> feedback, and any suggestions for improvement. >> >> # Define the apps to be removed >> $appsToRemove = >> "Microsoft.WindowsPhone","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.BingWeather","Microsoft.SkypeApp","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo" >> >> # Loop through the app list and remove each app >> foreach ($app in $appsToRemove) { >> >> # Uninstall app for the current user >> Get-AppxPackage | Where-Object -Property "Name" -eq $app | Remove-AppxPackage >> >> # Remove app from the OS >> Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object -Property "DisplayName" >> -EQ $app | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online >> } >> >> >> ------ >> Kenneth Merenda >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be protected >> by the attorney-client or work product privileges. 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