+1
Kenneth Merenda
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Daniel Ratliff
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
Got our TAM to add us to the GetHelp request. One more!
Daniel Ratliff
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Marcum, John
Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 12:28 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
I spoke to my TAM about this and she has submitted a "GetHelp Feedback" item.
If you agree that we should not have to remove these apps from our enterprise
operating systems, please contact your TAM and reference GetHelp Feedback item
#10870743. If we can get enough companies screaming loud enough about this
maybe we can get it fixed.
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of Marcum, John
Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
I felt like I was protesting for the right reasons in my earlier posts. The
statement you mention was a counter-argument to someone else saying "Running
LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for everyday user
devices." Which I believe to be an invalid point.
> On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Jason Sandys <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> No disagreement. Just protest for the right reason and not because there's no
> compelling feature difference.
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>> On 2/10/16, 1:09 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Marcum,
>> John" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I wanna use CBB but MS needs to enable me to do so. If everyone bows down
>> and installs it as it they won't fix it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason Sandys <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Don't fool yourself into believing that there haven't been compelling
>>> updates to Windows 10 already for Enterprises. After only four months, they
>>> added a lot in 1511 as detailed at
>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__technet.microsoft.com_en-2Dus_library_mt614818-2528v-3Dvs.85-2529.aspx&d=CwIFAg&c=r_B2dqKkHczsuXPCSs5DOw&r=krYjy-Xm1tps1F_nkG9sNKQIT3ZPFrUh3rvr18goJ2E&m=LFQCrpCgXr1FyeDku8XIB0lb_eAGoJbdEhxEwjsw_OA&s=sxHlhXk_IAffQXWdLFoIgzl7HljSIDHehmwgmm5YpWI&e=
>>> . Redstone (which to my knowledge is currently predicted to be released in
>>> June) will certainly have many more.
>>>
>>> I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't choose LTSB, just don't choose
>>> it thinking there's nothing of value in CB/CBB.
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 2/10/16, 12:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Marcum,
>>>> John" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's not "meant" for them according to MS. There's zero technical
>>>> limitation with LTSB. MS wants us to move to a SaS model and that's
>>>> the only reason "it's not meant" for anything. On the flip side
>>>> Xbox is not meant for my corporate computers. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Marable, Mike
>>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for
>>>> everyday user devices."
>>>>
>>>> I have to disagree with that. I've been running LTSB on my everyday
>>>> workhorse machines now since the release. There is absolutely nothing
>>>> wrong with LTSB, in fact it is a perfect platform for enterprises in my
>>>> opinion. Granted I work in healthcare, but regardless I don't see a
>>>> pressing reason to go with CB over LTSB outside of the frequent updates.
>>>> Even then I have not seen anything in the updated flights in CB that would
>>>> be of value to us.
>>>>
>>>> That's just my opinion though.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:45 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> I agree, but all of Microsoft is undergoing a paradigm shift to an agile
>>>> development process.
>>>>
>>>> It feels like some teams haven't quite switched over yet, like the
>>>> ADK WinPE that hasn't been fixed for 4-5 months at a time. The
>>>> Business Store, and Business Update teams. (Maybe they haven't been
>>>> assembled yet.)
>>>>
>>>> While others are just throwing as much out there as they can without
>>>> testing like the Universal Apps. Half of the documented settings for start
>>>> the screen .xml either aren't implemented or have changed. The GPOs not
>>>> even being able to control the new features at first.
>>>>
>>>> Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for
>>>> everyday user devices.
>>>>
>>>> It's been very frustrating. We had the Threshold 1 OSD ready and then had
>>>> to change practically everything when Threshold 2 was released.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jeff Jerousek
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum,
>>>> John
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> Right... They should just yank those consumer apps out of Win10
>>>> enterprise but allow them to be installed if someone wants them.
>>>> (which nobody will)
>>>>
>>>> I don't even care if they leave the crap in Pro but it can't be in
>>>> Enterprise.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Schwan,
>>>> Phil
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:23 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> This definitely a logistical issue and a bit of a step backwards. OSD in
>>>> the more distant past required a lot of chicken wire and duct tape (ie,
>>>> scripts and specialized processes) to get everything looking the way you
>>>> wanted for an enterprise deployment. The trend through the last several
>>>> releases has been towards more control and easier customization through
>>>> standardized tools and settings.
>>>>
>>>> However, with this new "WaaS" model we essentially have to do in-place
>>>> upgrades on at least a semi-annual basis. I can understand to an extent
>>>> not supporting the logistics of trying to incorporate a customized WIM
>>>> file into the standard upgrade engine....but in lieu of having the changes
>>>> Enterprises want baked into the core OS itself there should be better
>>>> facilitation of a standardized "runtime" method for making the changes at
>>>> deployment time. Whether that's through an unattend.xml-style
>>>> customization method, or tighter integration of Provisioning Packages into
>>>> the in place upgrade scenario...there has to be a better way than forcing
>>>> the install of something we're just going to turn around and uninstall.
>>>> "Do this, then undo it" makes no sense.
>>>>
>>>> Given the way things have progressed prior to Windows 10, the "just make
>>>> the changes post-deployment" position runs completely counter to the
>>>> entire enterprise systems management paradigm we've been given for the
>>>> last decade plus. That's akin to saying with Windows 7 we should deploy
>>>> the Win7 media directly from Microsoft and then use scripts and GPOs to
>>>> make all of our changes post-deployment. It's horribly inefficient.
>>>>
>>>> -Phil
>>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>>> Phil Schwan | Technical Architect, Enterprise Windows Services
>>>> Microsoft VTSP
>>>> ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>)
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>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum,
>>>> John
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:31 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> I'm curious how many people think it's acceptable to have to remove a
>>>> bunch of junk from their OS's after each branch update? Maybe Rod could
>>>> put up a poll? I for one find it unacceptable and for that reason I'm
>>>> still think LTSB is the way to go. Why in the world would MS want us to
>>>> load any of these on our corporate PC's?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","M
>>>> icrosoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Micros
>>>> oft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Micros
>>>> oft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHu
>>>> b"
>>>> "microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Micro
>>>> soft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga",
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron
>>>> Czechowski
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:08 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
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>>>> First bullet:
>>>>
>>>> Upgrades the operating system on computers that currently run Windows 7,
>>>> Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. You can also do build-to-build upgrades of
>>>> Windows 10. For example, you can upgrade Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10,
>>>> version 1511.
>>>>
>>>> :)
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael
>>>> Niehaus
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:00 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> You don't have to use servicing plans, you can continue to use task
>>>> sequences with Windows 10 media. But the servicing plans have more
>>>> features, so that's the preferred route.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> -Michael
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:57 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> I was under the impression this would work for Win 7 to Win 10 upgrades,
>>>> but not the serving from 10 to 10. I thought you had to use the Windows
>>>> 10 Servicing Plans.
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:53 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> With an upgrade Task Sequence.
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jeff Jerousek
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:24 AM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> How do you run a custom task sequence to remove them after Windows 10 has
>>>> been updated to the new release and make sure it runs before someone logs
>>>> on?
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek,
>>>> Jeff
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:36 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> We use a Task Sequence to run the upgrade and we remove these:
>>>>
>>>> "'Microsoft.BingFinance','Microsoft.BingWeather',
>>>> 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', 'Microsoft.Getstarted',
>>>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection', 'Microsoft.Office.Sway',
>>>> 'Microsoft.People', 'Microsoft.SkypeApp',
>>>> 'microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone',
>>>> 'Microsoft.XboxApp', 'Microsoft.BingSports', 'Microsoft.Appconnector',
>>>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub', 'Microsoft.3DBuilder',
>>>> 'Microsoft.CommsPhone','Microsoft.Office.OneNote','Microsoft.ConnectivityStore',
>>>> 'Microsoft.Messaging'"
>>>>
>>>> If you remove them and set a custom start menu you will not see any
>>>> shortcuts, some built in shortcuts to the apps will say the app is missing
>>>> would you like to use a different program to run it, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jeff Jerousek
>>>>
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:53 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> Here is my list:
>>>>
>>>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.WindowsMaps","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga","Microsoft.WindowsPhone",
>>>> "Microsoft.Messaging","Microsoft.WindowsStore", "Microsoft.CommsPhone",
>>>> "Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub", "Microsoft.Office.Sway",
>>>> "Microsoft.ConnectivityStore"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I use the same script you have listed below. It works sometimes for the
>>>> current logged on user, but pretty much perfect for people that first sign
>>>> in after this is ran. When Windows 10 gets serviced up to the new build,
>>>> all those apps come back. You can't use a task sequence to do the upgrade
>>>> from what I have read. It would be nice to have an option to run a custom
>>>> "clean up" script that removes and modifies the new Windows install after
>>>> the upgrade but before people can log back on. There might be settings or
>>>> hooks that need readded to Windows once it is upgraded. I haven't gotten
>>>> to that point yet in my deployments. I know Cisco anyconnect has caused
>>>> issues in the past with Windows 10 upgrades. Currently there isn't a way
>>>> to have that uninstall before the OS upgrade starts and drop it back down
>>>> on the PC once it's done.
>>>> From:
>>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]
>>>> m> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merenda,
>>>> Kenneth
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:28 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [mssms] Removing Windows 10 Apps
>>>>
>>>> In the past, my company has been very traditional on how software is
>>>> installed, so with Windows 8.1 we disabled the store and removed almost
>>>> every modern app. Culture is changing though, and now along with a move
>>>> to Office 365, we're being challenged to deliver a more consumer-like
>>>> experience, but still exclude things that would only serve as a
>>>> distraction from business.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I was wondering which Windows 10 apps you all remove? I've
>>>> included my list below, but I've found it isn't working well. Although
>>>> the apps get removed, I still find start menu shortcuts for them, often
>>>> with the icon missing.
>>>>
>>>> Here is what I run to get rid of the apps. I'd love to hear everyone's
>>>> feedback, and any suggestions for improvement.
>>>>
>>>> # Define the apps to be removed
>>>> $appsToRemove =
>>>> "Microsoft.WindowsPhone","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.BingWeather","Microsoft.SkypeApp","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo"
>>>>
>>>> # Loop through the app list and remove each app foreach ($app in
>>>> $appsToRemove) {
>>>>
>>>> # Uninstall app for the current user Get-AppxPackage | Where-Object
>>>> -Property "Name" -eq $app | Remove-AppxPackage
>>>>
>>>> # Remove app from the OS
>>>> Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object -Property
>>>> "DisplayName" -EQ $app | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online }
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>> Kenneth Merenda
>>>>
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