And it's awesome that you seem to be the only person on the face of the earth that knows this! How many MS employees have replied to this thread and didn't mention this?
Is it some top secret thing? ;-) On Feb 11, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Todd Hemsell <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: A single reg key disables all that nonsense. "DisableConsumerFeatures"g no more dynamically updating and installing unwanted apps. Key only exists in the 1511 version. did not exist before that. On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Marcum, John <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I spoke to my TAM about this and she has submitted a "GetHelp Feedback" item. If you agree that we should not have to remove these apps from our enterprise operating systems, please contact your TAM and reference GetHelp Feedback item #10870743. If we can get enough companies screaming loud enough about this maybe we can get it fixed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Marcum, John Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:53 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps I felt like I was protesting for the right reasons in my earlier posts. The statement you mention was a counter-argument to someone else saying "Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for everyday user devices." Which I believe to be an invalid point. > On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Jason Sandys > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > No disagreement. Just protest for the right reason and not because there's no > compelling feature difference. > > J > > > > >> On 2/10/16, 1:09 PM, >> "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> on >> behalf of Marcum, John" >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> on >> behalf of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> I wanna use CBB but MS needs to enable me to do so. If everyone bows down >> and installs it as it they won't fix it. >> >> >> >> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason Sandys >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Don't fool yourself into believing that there haven't been compelling >>> updates to Windows 10 already for Enterprises. After only four months, they >>> added a lot in 1511 as detailed at >>> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt614818%28v=vs.85%29.aspx. >>> Redstone (which to my knowledge is currently predicted to be released in >>> June) will certainly have many more. >>> >>> I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't choose LTSB, just don't choose >>> it thinking there's nothing of value in CB/CBB. >>> >>> J >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 2/10/16, 12:55 PM, >>>> "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> on >>>> behalf of Marcum, John" >>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> on >>>> behalf of [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> It's not "meant" for them according to MS. There's zero technical >>>> limitation with LTSB. MS wants us to move to a SaS model and that's >>>> the only reason "it's not meant" for anything. On the flip side >>>> Xbox is not meant for my corporate computers. ;-) >>>> >>>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Marable, Mike >>>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for >>>> everyday user devices." >>>> >>>> I have to disagree with that. I've been running LTSB on my everyday >>>> workhorse machines now since the release. There is absolutely nothing >>>> wrong with LTSB, in fact it is a perfect platform for enterprises in my >>>> opinion. Granted I work in healthcare, but regardless I don't see a >>>> pressing reason to go with CB over LTSB outside of the frequent updates. >>>> Even then I have not seen anything in the updated flights in CB that would >>>> be of value to us. >>>> >>>> That's just my opinion though. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Jerousek, >>>> Jeff >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:45 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> I agree, but all of Microsoft is undergoing a paradigm shift to an agile >>>> development process. >>>> >>>> It feels like some teams haven't quite switched over yet, like the >>>> ADK WinPE that hasn't been fixed for 4-5 months at a time. The >>>> Business Store, and Business Update teams. (Maybe they haven't been >>>> assembled yet.) >>>> >>>> While others are just throwing as much out there as they can without >>>> testing like the Universal Apps. Half of the documented settings for start >>>> the screen .xml either aren't implemented or have changed. The GPOs not >>>> even being able to control the new features at first. >>>> >>>> Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for >>>> everyday user devices. >>>> >>>> It's been very frustrating. We had the Threshold 1 OSD ready and then had >>>> to change practically everything when Threshold 2 was released. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jeff Jerousek >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Marcum, >>>> John >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 AM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> Right... They should just yank those consumer apps out of Win10 >>>> enterprise but allow them to be installed if someone wants them. >>>> (which nobody will) >>>> >>>> I don't even care if they leave the crap in Pro but it can't be in >>>> Enterprise. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Schwan, >>>> Phil >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:23 AM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> This definitely a logistical issue and a bit of a step backwards. OSD in >>>> the more distant past required a lot of chicken wire and duct tape (ie, >>>> scripts and specialized processes) to get everything looking the way you >>>> wanted for an enterprise deployment. The trend through the last several >>>> releases has been towards more control and easier customization through >>>> standardized tools and settings. >>>> >>>> However, with this new "WaaS" model we essentially have to do in-place >>>> upgrades on at least a semi-annual basis. I can understand to an extent >>>> not supporting the logistics of trying to incorporate a customized WIM >>>> file into the standard upgrade engine....but in lieu of having the changes >>>> Enterprises want baked into the core OS itself there should be better >>>> facilitation of a standardized "runtime" method for making the changes at >>>> deployment time. Whether that's through an unattend.xml-style >>>> customization method, or tighter integration of Provisioning Packages into >>>> the in place upgrade scenario...there has to be a better way than forcing >>>> the install of something we're just going to turn around and uninstall. >>>> "Do this, then undo it" makes no sense. >>>> >>>> Given the way things have progressed prior to Windows 10, the "just make >>>> the changes post-deployment" position runs completely counter to the >>>> entire enterprise systems management paradigm we've been given for the >>>> last decade plus. That's akin to saying with Windows 7 we should deploy >>>> the Win7 media directly from Microsoft and then use scripts and GPOs to >>>> make all of our changes post-deployment. It's horribly inefficient. >>>> >>>> -Phil >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Phil Schwan | Technical Architect, Enterprise Windows Services >>>> Microsoft VTSP >>>> ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>) >>>> Project Leadership Associates | 2000 Town Center, Suite 1900, >>>> Southfield, MI 48075 >>>> Lync: 312.756.1626 Mobile: 419.262.5133 >>>> www.projectleadership.net<http://www.projectleadership.net><http://www.projectleadership.net/> >>>> <image001.jpg><http://www.linkedin.com/in/philschwan><image002.jpg> >>>> <https://twitter.com/philschwan> >>>> <image003.jpg><http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/author/philschwan> >>>> <image004.jpg>Lead with Strategy. Leverage Technology. Deliver Results. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Marcum, >>>> John >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:31 AM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> I'm curious how many people think it's acceptable to have to remove a >>>> bunch of junk from their OS's after each branch update? Maybe Rod could >>>> put up a poll? I for one find it unacceptable and for that reason I'm >>>> still think LTSB is the way to go. Why in the world would MS want us to >>>> load any of these on our corporate PC's? >>>> >>>> >>>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","M >>>> icrosoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Micros >>>> oft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Micros >>>> oft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHu >>>> b" >>>> "microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Micro >>>> soft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga", >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Aaron >>>> Czechowski >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:08 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> From https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt627919.aspx >>>> First bullet: >>>> >>>> Upgrades the operating system on computers that currently run Windows 7, >>>> Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. You can also do build-to-build upgrades of >>>> Windows 10. For example, you can upgrade Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10, >>>> version 1511. >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Michael >>>> Niehaus >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:00 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> You don't have to use servicing plans, you can continue to use task >>>> sequences with Windows 10 media. But the servicing plans have more >>>> features, so that's the preferred route. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> -Michael >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:57 AM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> I was under the impression this would work for Win 7 to Win 10 upgrades, >>>> but not the serving from 10 to 10. I thought you had to use the Windows >>>> 10 Servicing Plans. >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Jerousek, >>>> Jeff >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:53 AM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> With an upgrade Task Sequence. >>>> >>>> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/configmgrteam/2015/06/16/revise >>>> d-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for >>>> -configuration-manager/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.c >>>> om/?url=https%3a%2f%2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com<http://2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com>%2fconfigmgrteam%2 >>>> f2015%2f06%2f16%2frevised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgra >>>> de-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager%2f&data=01%7c01%7caa >>>> ron.czechowski%40microsoft.com<http://40microsoft.com>%7c8eac9fc663694f776d4a08d331ad55b5%7 >>>> c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=omZyExPKk97WELSoehYA45V >>>> 7NDnNsNqUAXNWjb4YvSs%3d> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jeff Jerousek >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:24 AM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> How do you run a custom task sequence to remove them after Windows 10 has >>>> been updated to the new release and make sure it runs before someone logs >>>> on? >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Jerousek, >>>> Jeff >>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:36 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> We use a Task Sequence to run the upgrade and we remove these: >>>> >>>> "'Microsoft.BingFinance','Microsoft.BingWeather', >>>> 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', 'Microsoft.Getstarted', >>>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection', 'Microsoft.Office.Sway', >>>> 'Microsoft.People', 'Microsoft.SkypeApp', >>>> 'microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', >>>> 'Microsoft.XboxApp', 'Microsoft.BingSports', 'Microsoft.Appconnector', >>>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub', 'Microsoft.3DBuilder', >>>> 'Microsoft.CommsPhone','Microsoft.Office.OneNote','Microsoft.ConnectivityStore', >>>> 'Microsoft.Messaging'" >>>> >>>> If you remove them and set a custom start menu you will not see any >>>> shortcuts, some built in shortcuts to the apps will say the app is missing >>>> would you like to use a different program to run it, etc. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Jeff Jerousek >>>> >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:53 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> Here is my list: >>>> >>>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.WindowsMaps","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga","Microsoft.WindowsPhone", >>>> "Microsoft.Messaging","Microsoft.WindowsStore", "Microsoft.CommsPhone", >>>> "Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub", "Microsoft.Office.Sway", >>>> "Microsoft.ConnectivityStore" >>>> >>>> >>>> I use the same script you have listed below. It works sometimes for the >>>> current logged on user, but pretty much perfect for people that first sign >>>> in after this is ran. When Windows 10 gets serviced up to the new build, >>>> all those apps come back. You can't use a task sequence to do the upgrade >>>> from what I have read. It would be nice to have an option to run a custom >>>> "clean up" script that removes and modifies the new Windows install after >>>> the upgrade but before people can log back on. There might be settings or >>>> hooks that need readded to Windows once it is upgraded. I haven't gotten >>>> to that point yet in my deployments. I know Cisco anyconnect has caused >>>> issues in the past with Windows 10 upgrades. Currently there isn't a way >>>> to have that uninstall before the OS upgrade starts and drop it back down >>>> on the PC once it's done. >>>> From: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> m> >>>> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Merenda, >>>> Kenneth >>>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:28 PM >>>> To: >>>> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> Subject: [mssms] Removing Windows 10 Apps >>>> >>>> In the past, my company has been very traditional on how software is >>>> installed, so with Windows 8.1 we disabled the store and removed almost >>>> every modern app. Culture is changing though, and now along with a move >>>> to Office 365, we're being challenged to deliver a more consumer-like >>>> experience, but still exclude things that would only serve as a >>>> distraction from business. >>>> >>>> That said, I was wondering which Windows 10 apps you all remove? I've >>>> included my list below, but I've found it isn't working well. Although >>>> the apps get removed, I still find start menu shortcuts for them, often >>>> with the icon missing. >>>> >>>> Here is what I run to get rid of the apps. I'd love to hear everyone's >>>> feedback, and any suggestions for improvement. >>>> >>>> # Define the apps to be removed >>>> $appsToRemove = >>>> "Microsoft.WindowsPhone","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.BingWeather","Microsoft.SkypeApp","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo" >>>> >>>> # Loop through the app list and remove each app foreach ($app in >>>> $appsToRemove) { >>>> >>>> # Uninstall app for the current user Get-AppxPackage | Where-Object >>>> -Property "Name" -eq $app | Remove-AppxPackage >>>> >>>> # Remove app from the OS >>>> Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object -Property >>>> "DisplayName" -EQ $app | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online } >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> Kenneth Merenda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be >>>> protected by the attorney-client or work product privileges. 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