No disagreement. Just protest for the right reason and not because there’s no compelling feature difference.
J On 2/10/16, 1:09 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Marcum, John" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >I wanna use CBB but MS needs to enable me to do so. If everyone bows down and >installs it as it they won't fix it. > > > > >> On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason Sandys <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Don’t fool yourself into believing that there haven’t been compelling >> updates to Windows 10 already for Enterprises. After only four months, they >> added a lot in 1511 as detailed at >> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt614818%28v=vs.85%29.aspx. >> Redstone (which to my knowledge is currently predicted to be released in >> June) will certainly have many more. >> >> I’m not saying that you should or shouldn’t choose LTSB, just don’t choose >> it thinking there’s nothing of value in CB/CBB. >> >> J >> >> >> >> >>> On 2/10/16, 12:55 PM, "[email protected] on behalf of Marcum, >>> John" <[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> It's not "meant" for them according to MS. There's zero technical >>> limitation with LTSB. MS wants us to move to a SaS model and that's the >>> only reason "it's not meant" for anything. On the flip side Xbox is not >>> meant for my corporate computers. ;-) >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Marable, Mike >>> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> “Running LTSB doesn’t make sense either because it really isn’t meant for >>> everyday user devices.” >>> >>> I have to disagree with that. I’ve been running LTSB on my everyday >>> workhorse machines now since the release. There is absolutely nothing >>> wrong with LTSB, in fact it is a perfect platform for enterprises in my >>> opinion. Granted I work in healthcare, but regardless I don’t see a >>> pressing reason to go with CB over LTSB outside of the frequent updates. >>> Even then I have not seen anything in the updated flights in CB that would >>> be of value to us. >>> >>> That’s just my opinion though. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek, Jeff >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:45 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> I agree, but all of Microsoft is undergoing a paradigm shift to an agile >>> development process. >>> >>> It feels like some teams haven’t quite switched over yet, like the ADK >>> WinPE that hasn’t been fixed for 4-5 months at a time. The Business Store, >>> and Business Update teams. (Maybe they haven’t been assembled yet.) >>> >>> While others are just throwing as much out there as they can without >>> testing like the Universal Apps. Half of the documented settings for start >>> the screen .xml either aren’t implemented or have changed. The GPOs not >>> even being able to control the new features at first. >>> >>> Running LTSB doesn’t make sense either because it really isn’t meant for >>> everyday user devices. >>> >>> It’s been very frustrating. We had the Threshold 1 OSD ready and then had >>> to change practically everything when Threshold 2 was released. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jeff Jerousek >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> Right… They should just yank those consumer apps out of Win10 enterprise >>> but allow them to be installed if someone wants them. (which nobody will) >>> >>> I don’t even care if they leave the crap in Pro but it can’t be in >>> Enterprise. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Schwan, Phil >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:23 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> This definitely a logistical issue and a bit of a step backwards. OSD in >>> the more distant past required a lot of chicken wire and duct tape (ie, >>> scripts and specialized processes) to get everything looking the way you >>> wanted for an enterprise deployment. The trend through the last several >>> releases has been towards more control and easier customization through >>> standardized tools and settings. >>> >>> However, with this new “WaaS” model we essentially have to do in-place >>> upgrades on at least a semi-annual basis. I can understand to an extent >>> not supporting the logistics of trying to incorporate a customized WIM file >>> into the standard upgrade engine….but in lieu of having the changes >>> Enterprises want baked into the core OS itself there should be better >>> facilitation of a standardized “runtime” method for making the changes at >>> deployment time. Whether that’s through an unattend.xml-style >>> customization method, or tighter integration of Provisioning Packages into >>> the in place upgrade scenario…there has to be a better way than forcing the >>> install of something we’re just going to turn around and uninstall. “Do >>> this, then undo it” makes no sense. >>> >>> Given the way things have progressed prior to Windows 10, the “just make >>> the changes post-deployment” position runs completely counter to the entire >>> enterprise systems management paradigm we’ve been given for the last decade >>> plus. That’s akin to saying with Windows 7 we should deploy the Win7 media >>> directly from Microsoft and then use scripts and GPOs to make all of our >>> changes post-deployment. It’s horribly inefficient. >>> >>> -Phil >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> Phil Schwan | Technical Architect, Enterprise Windows Services >>> Microsoft VTSP ([email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>) >>> Project Leadership Associates | 2000 Town Center, Suite 1900, Southfield, >>> MI 48075 >>> Lync: 312.756.1626 Mobile: 419.262.5133 >>> www.projectleadership.net<http://www.projectleadership.net/> >>> <image001.jpg><http://www.linkedin.com/in/philschwan><image002.jpg><https://twitter.com/philschwan> >>> <image003.jpg><http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/author/philschwan> >>> <image004.jpg>Lead with Strategy. Leverage Technology. Deliver Results. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Marcum, John >>> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:31 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> I’m curious how many people think it’s acceptable to have to remove a bunch >>> of junk from their OS’s after each branch update? Maybe Rod could put up a >>> poll? I for one find it unacceptable and for that reason I’m still think >>> LTSB is the way to go. Why in the world would MS want us to load any of >>> these on our corporate PC’s? >>> >>> >>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub” >>> >>> “microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga", >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aaron Czechowski >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:08 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> From https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt627919.aspx >>> First bullet: >>> >>> Upgrades the operating system on computers that currently run Windows 7, >>> Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. You can also do build-to-build upgrades of >>> Windows 10. For example, you can upgrade Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10, >>> version 1511. >>> >>> :) >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael Niehaus >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:00 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> You don’t have to use servicing plans, you can continue to use task >>> sequences with Windows 10 media. But the servicing plans have more >>> features, so that’s the preferred route. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -Michael >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:57 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> I was under the impression this would work for Win 7 to Win 10 upgrades, >>> but not the serving from 10 to 10. I thought you had to use the Windows 10 >>> Servicing Plans. >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek, Jeff >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:53 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> With an upgrade Task Sequence. >>> >>> https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/configmgrteam/2015/06/16/revised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com%2fconfigmgrteam%2f2015%2f06%2f16%2frevised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager%2f&data=01%7c01%7caaron.czechowski%40microsoft.com%7c8eac9fc663694f776d4a08d331ad55b5%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=omZyExPKk97WELSoehYA45V7NDnNsNqUAXNWjb4YvSs%3d> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jeff Jerousek >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>> Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:24 AM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> How do you run a custom task sequence to remove them after Windows 10 has >>> been updated to the new release and make sure it runs before someone logs >>> on? >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerousek, Jeff >>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:36 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> We use a Task Sequence to run the upgrade and we remove these: >>> >>> "'Microsoft.BingFinance','Microsoft.BingWeather', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', >>> 'Microsoft.Getstarted', 'Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection', >>> 'Microsoft.Office.Sway', 'Microsoft.People', 'Microsoft.SkypeApp', >>> 'microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', >>> 'Microsoft.XboxApp', 'Microsoft.BingSports', 'Microsoft.Appconnector', >>> 'Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub', 'Microsoft.3DBuilder', >>> 'Microsoft.CommsPhone','Microsoft.Office.OneNote','Microsoft.ConnectivityStore', >>> 'Microsoft.Messaging'" >>> >>> If you remove them and set a custom start menu you will not see any >>> shortcuts, some built in shortcuts to the apps will say the app is missing >>> would you like to use a different program to run it, etc. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jeff Jerousek >>> >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Aubrey >>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:53 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> Here is my list: >>> >>> "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.WindowsMaps","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga","Microsoft.WindowsPhone", >>> "Microsoft.Messaging","Microsoft.WindowsStore", "Microsoft.CommsPhone", >>> "Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub", "Microsoft.Office.Sway", >>> "Microsoft.ConnectivityStore" >>> >>> >>> I use the same script you have listed below. It works sometimes for the >>> current logged on user, but pretty much perfect for people that first sign >>> in after this is ran. When Windows 10 gets serviced up to the new build, >>> all those apps come back. You can’t use a task sequence to do the upgrade >>> from what I have read. It would be nice to have an option to run a custom >>> “clean up” script that removes and modifies the new Windows install after >>> the upgrade but before people can log back on. There might be settings or >>> hooks that need readded to Windows once it is upgraded. I haven’t gotten >>> to that point yet in my deployments. I know Cisco anyconnect has caused >>> issues in the past with Windows 10 upgrades. Currently there isn’t a way >>> to have that uninstall before the OS upgrade starts and drop it back down >>> on the PC once it’s done. >>> From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Merenda, Kenneth >>> Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:28 PM >>> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >>> Subject: [mssms] Removing Windows 10 Apps >>> >>> In the past, my company has been very traditional on how software is >>> installed, so with Windows 8.1 we disabled the store and removed almost >>> every modern app. Culture is changing though, and now along with a move to >>> Office 365, we’re being challenged to deliver a more consumer-like >>> experience, but still exclude things that would only serve as a distraction >>> from business. >>> >>> That said, I was wondering which Windows 10 apps you all remove? I’ve >>> included my list below, but I’ve found it isn’t working well. Although the >>> apps get removed, I still find start menu shortcuts for them, often with >>> the icon missing. >>> >>> Here is what I run to get rid of the apps. I’d love to hear everyone’s >>> feedback, and any suggestions for improvement. >>> >>> # Define the apps to be removed >>> $appsToRemove = >>> "Microsoft.WindowsPhone","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.BingWeather","Microsoft.SkypeApp","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo" >>> >>> # Loop through the app list and remove each app >>> foreach ($app in $appsToRemove) { >>> >>> # Uninstall app for the current user >>> Get-AppxPackage | Where-Object -Property "Name" -eq $app | >>> Remove-AppxPackage >>> >>> # Remove app from the OS >>> Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object -Property "DisplayName" >>> -EQ $app | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online >>> } >>> >>> >>> ------ >>> Kenneth Merenda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be protected >>> by the attorney-client or work product privileges. 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