Yeah not a complete solution to the issue you raised. We're going back and forth with few clients on LTSB vs. CB for their Win10 project.
Sent from a mobile device > On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Marcum, John <[email protected]> wrote: > > [image1.PNG] > > On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Jay Parekh > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > http://blogs.technet.com/b/mniehaus/archive/2015/11/23/seeing-extra-apps-turn-them-off.aspx > > Sent from a mobile device > > On Feb 11, 2016, at 6:01 PM, Marcum, John > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > And it's awesome that you seem to be the only person on the face of the earth > that knows this! How many MS employees have replied to this thread and didn't > mention this? > > Is it some top secret thing? ;-) > > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2016, at 5:35 PM, Todd Hemsell > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > A single reg key disables all that nonsense. "DisableConsumerFeatures"g > no more dynamically updating and installing unwanted apps. Key only exists in > the 1511 version. did not exist before that. > > On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 11:27 AM, Marcum, John > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > I spoke to my TAM about this and she has submitted a "GetHelp Feedback" item. > If you agree that we should not have to remove these apps from our enterprise > operating systems, please contact your TAM and reference GetHelp Feedback > item #10870743. If we can get enough companies screaming loud enough about > this maybe we can get it fixed. > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Marcum, John > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:53 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > I felt like I was protesting for the right reasons in my earlier posts. The > statement you mention was a counter-argument to someone else saying "Running > LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for everyday > user devices." Which I believe to be an invalid point. > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:18 PM, Jason Sandys > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > No disagreement. Just protest for the right reason and not because there's no > compelling feature difference. > > J > > > > > On 2/10/16, 1:09 PM, > "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Marcum, John" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I wanna use CBB but MS needs to enable me to do so. If everyone bows down and > installs it as it they won't fix it. > > > > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Jason Sandys > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > Don't fool yourself into believing that there haven't been compelling updates > to Windows 10 already for Enterprises. After only four months, they added a > lot in 1511 as detailed at > https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt614818%28v=vs.85%29.aspx. > Redstone (which to my knowledge is currently predicted to be released in > June) will certainly have many more. > > I'm not saying that you should or shouldn't choose LTSB, just don't choose it > thinking there's nothing of value in CB/CBB. > > J > > > > > On 2/10/16, 12:55 PM, > "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of Marcum, John" > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]> > on behalf of > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > It's not "meant" for them according to MS. There's zero technical > limitation with LTSB. MS wants us to move to a SaS model and that's > the only reason "it's not meant" for anything. On the flip side > Xbox is not meant for my corporate computers. ;-) > > On Feb 10, 2016, at 11:53 AM, Marable, Mike > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> > wrote: > > "Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for > everyday user devices." > > I have to disagree with that. I've been running LTSB on my everyday > workhorse machines now since the release. There is absolutely nothing wrong > with LTSB, in fact it is a perfect platform for enterprises in my opinion. > Granted I work in healthcare, but regardless I don't see a pressing reason to > go with CB over LTSB outside of the frequent updates. Even then I have not > seen anything in the updated flights in CB that would be of value to us. > > That's just my opinion though. > > Mike > > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Jerousek, > Jeff > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 12:45 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > I agree, but all of Microsoft is undergoing a paradigm shift to an agile > development process. > > It feels like some teams haven't quite switched over yet, like the > ADK WinPE that hasn't been fixed for 4-5 months at a time. The > Business Store, and Business Update teams. (Maybe they haven't been > assembled yet.) > > While others are just throwing as much out there as they can without testing > like the Universal Apps. Half of the documented settings for start the screen > .xml either aren't implemented or have changed. The GPOs not even being able > to control the new features at first. > > Running LTSB doesn't make sense either because it really isn't meant for > everyday user devices. > > It's been very frustrating. We had the Threshold 1 OSD ready and then had to > change practically everything when Threshold 2 was released. > > Thanks, > Jeff Jerousek > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Marcum, > John > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:28 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > Right... They should just yank those consumer apps out of Win10 > enterprise but allow them to be installed if someone wants them. > (which nobody will) > > I don't even care if they leave the crap in Pro but it can't be in Enterprise. > > > > > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Schwan, > Phil > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 11:23 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > This definitely a logistical issue and a bit of a step backwards. OSD in the > more distant past required a lot of chicken wire and duct tape (ie, scripts > and specialized processes) to get everything looking the way you wanted for > an enterprise deployment. The trend through the last several releases has > been towards more control and easier customization through standardized tools > and settings. > > However, with this new "WaaS" model we essentially have to do in-place > upgrades on at least a semi-annual basis. I can understand to an extent not > supporting the logistics of trying to incorporate a customized WIM file into > the standard upgrade engine....but in lieu of having the changes Enterprises > want baked into the core OS itself there should be better facilitation of a > standardized "runtime" method for making the changes at deployment time. > Whether that's through an unattend.xml-style customization method, or tighter > integration of Provisioning Packages into the in place upgrade > scenario...there has to be a better way than forcing the install of something > we're just going to turn around and uninstall. "Do this, then undo it" makes > no sense. > > Given the way things have progressed prior to Windows 10, the "just make the > changes post-deployment" position runs completely counter to the entire > enterprise systems management paradigm we've been given for the last decade > plus. That's akin to saying with Windows 7 we should deploy the Win7 media > directly from Microsoft and then use scripts and GPOs to make all of our > changes post-deployment. 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Deliver Results. > > > > > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Marcum, > John > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 8:31 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > I'm curious how many people think it's acceptable to have to remove a bunch > of junk from their OS's after each branch update? Maybe Rod could put up a > poll? I for one find it unacceptable and for that reason I'm still think LTSB > is the way to go. Why in the world would MS want us to load any of these on > our corporate PC's? > > > "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","M > icrosoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Micros > oft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Micros > oft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHu > b" > "microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Micro > soft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga", > > > > > > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Aaron > Czechowski > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 11:08 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > From https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/mt627919.aspx > First bullet: > > Upgrades the operating system on computers that currently run Windows 7, > Windows 8, or Windows 8.1. You can also do build-to-build upgrades of Windows > 10. For example, you can upgrade Windows 10 RTM to Windows 10, version 1511. > > :) > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Michael > Niehaus > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 4:00 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > You don't have to use servicing plans, you can continue to use task sequences > with Windows 10 media. But the servicing plans have more features, so that's > the preferred route. > > Thanks, > -Michael > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of John Aubrey > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 5:57 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > I was under the impression this would work for Win 7 to Win 10 upgrades, but > not the serving from 10 to 10. I thought you had to use the Windows 10 > Servicing Plans. > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Jerousek, > Jeff > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 8:53 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > With an upgrade Task Sequence. > > https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/configmgrteam/2015/06/16/revise > d-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgrade-via-task-sequence-for > -configuration-manager/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.c > om/?url=https%3a%2f%2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com<http://2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com><http://2fblogs.technet.microsoft.com>%2fconfigmgrteam%2 > f2015%2f06%2f16%2frevised-content-for-the-windows-10-in-place-upgra > de-via-task-sequence-for-configuration-manager%2f&data=01%7c01%7caa > ron.czechowski%40microsoft.com<http://40microsoft.com><http://40microsoft.com>%7c8eac9fc663694f776d4a08d331ad55b5%7 > c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=omZyExPKk97WELSoehYA45V > 7NDnNsNqUAXNWjb4YvSs%3d> > > Thanks, > Jeff Jerousek > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of John Aubrey > Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:24 AM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > How do you run a custom task sequence to remove them after Windows 10 has > been updated to the new release and make sure it runs before someone logs on? > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Jerousek, > Jeff > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 5:36 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > We use a Task Sequence to run the upgrade and we remove these: > > "'Microsoft.BingFinance','Microsoft.BingWeather', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', > 'Microsoft.Getstarted', 'Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection', > 'Microsoft.Office.Sway', 'Microsoft.People', 'Microsoft.SkypeApp', > 'microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps', 'Microsoft.WindowsPhone', > 'Microsoft.XboxApp', 'Microsoft.BingSports', 'Microsoft.Appconnector', > 'Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub', 'Microsoft.3DBuilder', > 'Microsoft.CommsPhone','Microsoft.Office.OneNote','Microsoft.ConnectivityStore', > 'Microsoft.Messaging'" > > If you remove them and set a custom start menu you will not see any > shortcuts, some built in shortcuts to the apps will say the app is missing > would you like to use a different program to run it, etc. > > Thanks, > Jeff Jerousek > > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of John Aubrey > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 2:53 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] RE: Removing Windows 10 Apps > > Here is my list: > > "Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.SkypeApp","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo","Microsoft.Windows.Photos","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.WindowsMaps","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.Getstarted","Microsoft.3DBuilder","9E2F88E3.Twitter","king.com.CandyCrushSodaSaga","Microsoft.WindowsPhone", > "Microsoft.Messaging","Microsoft.WindowsStore", "Microsoft.CommsPhone", > "Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub", "Microsoft.Office.Sway", > "Microsoft.ConnectivityStore" > > > I use the same script you have listed below. It works sometimes for the > current logged on user, but pretty much perfect for people that first sign in > after this is ran. When Windows 10 gets serviced up to the new build, all > those apps come back. You can't use a task sequence to do the upgrade from > what I have read. It would be nice to have an option to run a custom "clean > up" script that removes and modifies the new Windows install after the > upgrade but before people can log back on. There might be settings or hooks > that need readded to Windows once it is upgraded. I haven't gotten to that > point yet in my deployments. I know Cisco anyconnect has caused issues in > the past with Windows 10 upgrades. Currently there isn't a way to have that > uninstall before the OS upgrade starts and drop it back down on the PC once > it's done. > From: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > m> > [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > On Behalf Of Merenda, > Kenneth > Sent: Monday, February 8, 2016 3:28 PM > To: > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: [mssms] Removing Windows 10 Apps > > In the past, my company has been very traditional on how software is > installed, so with Windows 8.1 we disabled the store and removed almost every > modern app. Culture is changing though, and now along with a move to Office > 365, we're being challenged to deliver a more consumer-like experience, but > still exclude things that would only serve as a distraction from business. > > That said, I was wondering which Windows 10 apps you all remove? I've > included my list below, but I've found it isn't working well. Although the > apps get removed, I still find start menu shortcuts for them, often with the > icon missing. > > Here is what I run to get rid of the apps. I'd love to hear everyone's > feedback, and any suggestions for improvement. > > # Define the apps to be removed > $appsToRemove = > "Microsoft.WindowsPhone","Microsoft.MicrosoftOfficeHub","Microsoft.People","Microsoft.MicrosoftSolitaireCollection","Microsoft.BingFinance","Microsoft.BingNews","Microsoft.BingSports","Microsoft.BingWeather","Microsoft.SkypeApp","microsoft.windowscommunicationsapps","Microsoft.XboxApp","Microsoft.ZuneMusic","Microsoft.ZuneVideo" > > # Loop through the app list and remove each app foreach ($app in > $appsToRemove) { > > # Uninstall app for the current user Get-AppxPackage | Where-Object > -Property "Name" -eq $app | Remove-AppxPackage > > # Remove app from the OS > Get-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online | Where-Object -Property > "DisplayName" -EQ $app | Remove-AppxProvisionedPackage -Online } > > > ------ > Kenneth Merenda > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail is from a law firm and may be protected > by the attorney-client or work product privileges. 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