Only four people answered the survey (<sarcastic>thank you very much 
everyone</sarcastic>), so we ignored it and just took the top 10 downloaded 
ones.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Specker 
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Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:32 PM
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Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Developing for MOSS/WSS with VS2008

Ishai,  Speaking of codeplex, what codeplex tool ended up being the winner in 
your survey?

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ishai Sagi
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 2:07 PM
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The extensions are not worth it. Want a good sharepoint development tool? Look 
at wspbuilder extensions from codeplex.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Specker 
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Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:58 PM
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I followed that article to install the extension on a 64 bit machine and it 
worked.
NOTE:  I haven't tested it fully to see if all the functionality performs as 
expected.  I ended up deciding to use STSDEV from codeplex instead.

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brett Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:51 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Developing for MOSS/WSS with VS2008

Also, VSEWSS won't install on x64. According to Microsoft:
 Note: This download does not work with an x64 OS. We currently recommend a x86 
development machine for SharePoint development when targeting x64 OS for test 
and production. Output binaries are all .NET assemblies so you can reasonably 
expect all .NET assemblies built on the x86 dev box to still work on your x86 
OS test and production machines. The CLR will JIT compile the .NET assembly on 
each target machine and will optimize for x64 OS when run on that architecture. 
Testing on x64 after doing development on x86 is still recommended

Having said that, John McBride has published an article on Installing VSEWSS on 
x64 by hacking around with the MSI - http://www.sharepoint-stuff.com/?p=54
I've not tested this, so no idea if it works well (or even works at all) - 
Anyone here had a crack at this???

-BC-

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Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:20 PM
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·         Our server is running on 64-bit architecture. I understand that 
having VS2008 on the same box means you can't deploy solutions. Would it make 
any difference to stick with 32-bit on the dev environment?

I think for the most part the x86/x64 is not too bad in this case, where 
developing on x86 should work fairly seamlessly. However saying that, I haven't 
developed code for targeted x64.


·         Do you develop a VM from scratch and use an empty MOSS environment, 
or is it better to take a snapshot of your live/staging environments to try to 
emulate this as best you can?

It really depends on what you're doing, for example if your content database is 
100GB, you properly don't want to be loading that up in a VM, in which case I 
would just use a vanilla MOSS install and go from there.


A somewhat sideway idea is the use of Windows Server 2008/Hyper-V in the 
laptop, which you could have your XP/Vista machine with office, etc and then 
have your developer VM's, I know a few people who have gone down this path and 
some more who are seriously considering it.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 8:28 AM
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Subject: RE: [OzMOSS] RE: Developing for MOSS/WSS with VS2008

Thanks again Rebecca, and Kirk.

That's pretty much the conclusion I've come to.

A couple of quick questions before we close this baby:


·         Our server is running on 64-bit architecture. I understand that 
having VS2008 on the same box means you can't deploy solutions. Would it make 
any difference to stick with 32-bit on the dev environment?

·         Do you develop a VM from scratch and use an empty MOSS environment, 
or is it better to take a snapshot of your live/staging environments to try to 
emulate this as best you can?

Apologies again for the newbie questions.

Regards,

Paul
Online Developer, ICT
CEO Sydney
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rebecca Thornton
Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 12:50 AM
To: listserver@ozmoss.com
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It's simple enough to upgrade the WSS installation on the Microsoft VM to a 
MOSS one; I had to do it yesterday.  I haven't tried upgrading the Visual 
Studio to 2008, but I'd be surprised if that was a problem either.
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Paul Noone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>> wrote:

Thanks Caroline.



I really need the MOSS facility though and would prefer not to revert my 
current VS version.



I don't suppose it could be as simple as copying across the 
microsoft.sharepoint.* and microsoft.office.* DLLs to my local box, then adding 
a reference to them in VS? This wouldn't solve the issue of not being able to 
debug but I may at least be able to see the Microsoft.SharePoint assembly 
represented in the Code Editor.



Just a thought.



Regards,

Paul



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Caroline Specker (AU)
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 3:26 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] RE: Developing for MOSS/WSS with VS2008



There is a downloadable WSS 3.0 dev environment VM here:  
http://www.microsoft.com/Downloads/details.aspx?familyid=1BEEAC6F-2EA1-4769-9948-74A74BD604FA&displaylang=en.



Note:  it is WSS not MOSS

 It has Visual Studio 2005, not 2008 on it.



This may be a good starting point for you.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [mailto:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] On Behalf Of Paul Noone
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 3:17 PM
To: listserver@ozMOSS.com
Subject: [OzMOSS] Developing for MOSS/WSS with VS2008



Hi all,



I have yet another potentially embarrassing question.



I've recently installed VS2008 on my local XP machine as a precursor to getting 
my hands dirty with some custom workflow activities and looking at what the 
VSeWSS 1.2 tools can do. And, well, ahem...it appears that remote connection to 
a MOSS server are not sufficient for the task.



Short of wiping my current box, installing Windows Server 2003, MOSS2007 and 
WSS3, I'd prefer to explore other possible solutions.



What are other people doing for local dev? And if the resounding response is a 
VM, would someone mind outlining the requirements for one?



And one more silly question (while I'm on a roll), can you wrap up SPD 
developed workflows with the SSG and: a) redevelop them in VS, b) deploy them 
to other sites and collections?



As ever, all replies are gratefully received.



Kind regards,

Paul Noone
Online Developer, ICT



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