>>If you discharge your battery it directly reflects how long it will
>>last. The shallower the discharge the longer the battery will last.
>>Its actually best if you never approach 50 percent
>
> If Edd's figures are correct:
> a GEL will give you 27% more power if carefully managed, (10% discharge)
> and a AGM more than double.
> a GEL battery will deliver three times as much current over its life time
> as an AGM at 100% discharge and 46% more at 10% discharge.
> Seems to me that the cost /amp of a AGM is VERY  high compared to a GEL
>
> Am I missing something here? or the figures amiss?
> Philip



REPLY
Yes you are missing the particulars of the charging regime. Also the rate
of discharge.  GEL batteries are great for moderate discharge rates. They
are also good for long shelf life and low self discharge. BUT GEL were
originally developed for quite apecicif applications not for driving
inverters nor for being recharged with a genset by a fuel consumption
conscious  boat owner.  For boat applications it has ben said  that  you
are not getting good efficicency  once the charging goes into absorption
mode. This is quite true.  If you were to try and drive a charger right
throuhg absorption  and float mode th egenset would run prettty near round
the clock.  This is totally illogical  if th eidea is to reduce genset run
time.

Secondly Gel batteries will not absorb maximum charge rate when only
discharged lightly meanin gless than 50% DoD.  What happens is th
einternal resistance is high enough  so as to limit  the acceptance rate
to half as much as compared to if the batttery was taken to  80% DoD or
better 100% DoD.

A third issue is rate of discharge. GEL electrolyte is formed by adding a
gellin gagent to the liquid electrolyte.  If you read th efine print in an
engineering spec  yo uwil ldiscover the gelling age4nt is silica - also
called sand (finely ground)
This gelling agent is non conductive. The result being a reduction of free
electrons in the electrolyte. In othe rwords you cannot extract as high a
discharge  from a GEL cel las you can with a wet cell or even an AGM
battery. Inverter use pretty much dictates there will be high surge rates
from time to time.  IF the GEL bank is large enough  you may not notice
much change  unless you  repeatedly demand high surges from the inverter.
But ig you have a substantial fridge or freezer load  you may find the
inverter will stal lout sooner than a comparable installation  using Good
deep cycle flooded wet cells.

As regards to charging if you live on the hook for long periods of time
and mostly charge with a genset then you are likely to cut short the
charge cycle when you have replendished the battery  by 80%. This will
result in sulfatte build up and a curtailment of the battery capacity.
Furthermoer if you only do shallow discharge the acceptance rate will be
such that you end up running your genset for longer period  each charge
session.

If you stay mainly in marinas and plug into shore power most nights, it
isn't as much of a problem since th eshoewr power runs constantly and you
geneally  charge to completion of the float cycle.  So it really depends
on how you use the boat.  Someone by name Von Wenzel did a cost analysis
of AGM versus  flooded cells. Google the name and you will likely find his
website and the spread sheet. You will be able to run your own cost
analysis  online by plugging in th eright numbers.
Bottom line is the initial cost is only part of th total cost over the
service life of the batteries. To find the best and most cost effective
solution you must factor in all the variables including generator run
time, genset oil and filter changes and total fuel burned. Not just the
inital outlay for batteries.
Realistic  use of a battery bank may  dictate a smaller bank and 80% DoD  
for 1500 cycles.  A much large bank with much less depth of discharge may 
look good  with 8 years or 3ven 10 yesrs theoreticla use nb ut chances are
youy will never realize  more than 5 years and sometimes much less if the
charging regime is wrong.
Your argument is predicated on "more power if carefully managed"  but your
comments and suppositions  do not address  the issues of how to achieve a
closely matched charging system nor on what exactly constitute careful
management.  Different systems will have different system design.

best regards
Arild
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