Great, thank you. Gary
On May 17, 2013, at 23:54, Nick Williams <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net> wrote: Per Gary and Ralph, the roles have been changed to "PMC Member," "Committer," etc. Nick On May 17, 2013, at 10:44 PM, Remko Popma wrote: The roles are still there in the pom. Do we still need them? I don't mind removing them. ------------------------------ *From:* Nick Williams <nicho...@nicholaswilliams.net> *To:* Log4J Developers List <log4j-dev@logging.apache.org> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 14, 2013 9:38 AM *Subject:* Re: Site Ideas Item #4 is now done as well. Nick On May 12, 2013, at 6:18 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: As for attribution, not really. The only place attribution really shows up is in svn. If someone really wants to know who wrote a piece of code they will just look at its history. Remember, the ASF is about community. As a committer you get just as much credit (or blame) for all the work I have done as I do. With attribution what you will find is people start emailing you in private off the lists. This has happened to me quite a bit over the last few years. We don't want that as it doesn't serve the whole community. That said, people will still know that you are the async expert when you are the main person answering questions and fixing issues related to it. Ralph On May 12, 2013, at 1:59 AM, Remko Popma <rem...@yahoo.com> wrote: 1. Agree this looks funny. What I found interesting is that (based on Ralph's link) the developers originally added the time zone in the Actual Time column, intentionally showing local time zone of the viewer. Ironically the intention was to avoid confusion. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. :-) 2. All right then, remove the roles. Is there a more acceptable way to get attribution for the Async Loggers somewhere on the site? 3. I experimented with it but switching on the pic also adds another column with the pic URL. (Not very useful IMHO. Shall we file another bug/feature request with the maven team? "Show pic, without adding pic URL column".) 4. Sounds good. Sent from my iPhone On 2013/05/12, at 9:46, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: Item one This makes no sense to me but see https://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPIR-68 Item two Normally I would expect the "Roles" to contain "PMC Member", "Committer" or "Contributor", not the parts of the project individuals work on. Item three I don't care one way or the other about images. If you want to see what I look like you can just go to images.google.com and search on my name. You should find two photos; one in a yellow shirt that is several years old from the ApacheCon in Austin, TX and a recent photo from a Flume meetup. Item four I have no problem with the suggestion you are making. Ralph On May 11, 2013, at 4:13 PM, Nick Williams wrote: Guys, There are a couple of things about the site that have been bugging me. I wanted to run some ideas by you and see what you think. Since I can commit now, I can take care of them once we come to a consensus. :-) -- One -- On the "Project Team" pages, the "Actual Time" column is wrong for most of us. For those of us in the United States, it's one hour behind. Only for Remko is it right. For example, at 17:38:55 Central Time, here is what it said for all of us: Ralph: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Gary: Sat May 11 2013 17:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 18:38 there) Scott: Sat May 11 2013 14:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 15:38 there) Remko: Sun May 12 2013 07:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (the time is correct) Me: Sat May 11 2013 16:38:55 GMT-0500 (CDT) (it's actually 17:38 here) Not only is the time wrong for four of us, but they ALL say GMT-0500 (CDT), which is obviously incorrect for all of us except me. I did some looking around at other Maven-generated sites, and the problem seems to be the same on all of them. Wrong for people on Daylight Savings Time, and always displaying the wrong time zone for everyone: http://maven.apache.org/team-list.html http://displaytag.sourceforge.net/11/team-list.html This appears to be a problem with the Maven plugin itself, not with our site. The time appears to be calculated dynamically using JavaScript after the page loads. Is anyone aware of any bug reports anywhere concerning this issue? If not, I'll file a bug. -- Two -- On the "Project Team" pages, I suggest we remove the Roles column. Remko is the only one with any data in that column, and I think that makes it look like he doesn't contribute as much as the rest of us. Remko has contributed more than just what's listed in that column. Is everyone okay with removing that column? -- Three -- On the "Project Team" pages, none of us have images. I suggest we either add images for all of us or remove the column (as it's taking up unnecessary space). Remko already has an image URL in the POM, but it's commented out. I'm all for images, personally, but what do y'all think? -- Four -- The first item I visited the Log4j2 site, the "Download" and "Build and Install" links confused me. The Download page contained links to download the assembly JAR ... makes sense. But no Maven information. The "Build and Install" page contained Maven information, which was counter-intuitive, but worse the Maven information was BELOW information about building and installing, so you don't actually see it unless you scroll down. "Using Log4j on your classpath" is also on the "Build and Install" page, but it makes more sense (to me) on the "Download" page, as you only need that information if you're manually downloading the binaries. My suggestion: - "Download" contains what it does now plug "Using Log4j on your classpath" (moved from the "Build and Install" page). - New page "Maven and Ivy" contains all of the Maven and Ivy information from the "Build and Install" page. - "Build and Install" gets renamed to "Build" and contains only information about building Log4j Thoughts? Nick
